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  • bobbywaves
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 05-06-08
    • 13280

    #1
    Bookmaker / DSI reduce amount of free payouts
    Bookmaker & DSI have reduced their free payouts for diamond members from weekly to bi-weekly. Apparently because they removed a certain free withdrawal method, losing processors which were causing the major payout delays. As a diamond member, I haven't been offered any compensation for this inconvenience as of yet.
  • durito
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 07-03-06
    • 13173

    #2
    compensation
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    • bobbywaves
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 05-06-08
      • 13280

      #3
      Originally posted by durito
      compensation
      Yes....In my humble opinion, compensation is in order..... Two free payouts a month have been taken away which diamond customers like myself were accustomed to. These free weekly payouts were one of the factors that played a part in my decision to sign up with Bookmaker/DSI.
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      • John Dough
        SBR MVP
        • 09-21-05
        • 1785

        #4
        Things change, processors come and go, books have the right to change policies as necessary.

        If you can't handle this sort of thing, you probably shouldn't use offshores in the current environment.
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        • Hareeba!
          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
          • 07-01-06
          • 37283

          #5
          You can make two free withdrawals every month and you're complaining ?

          That sounds to me to be way better than any other US serving book.

          Even Pinnacle offers only one.

          Surely you can organise your affairs so that a withdrawal once a fortnight is adequate ?
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          • John Dough
            SBR MVP
            • 09-21-05
            • 1785

            #6
            Originally posted by Hareeba!
            You can make two free withdrawals every month and you're complaining ?

            That sounds to me to be way better than any other US serving book.

            Even Pinnacle offers only one.

            Surely you can organise your affairs so that a withdrawal once a fortnight is adequate ?
            Not to mention that since he still gets betpoints it's unlikely he needs to withdraw 4X/month anyway.

            Those of us with a clue have been cut off from betpoints a long time ago and recently lost the only withdrawal method that was free b/c of processor issues. I now get zero free withdrawals per month, but you won't see me whining about it. In the current environment for US residents, sh!t happens. You either deal with it or quit using that shop.
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            • Monte
              SBR MVP
              • 08-21-10
              • 2056

              #7
              Originally posted by Hareeba!
              Even Pinnacle offers only one.
              Just that with Pinny i could cash out 100k and not paying a single cent.
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              • TheBeautifulGame
                SBR MVP
                • 08-26-08
                • 1286

                #8
                Withdrawal fees are completely alien to me due to the fact that I use Moneybookers. I've never been charged to withdraw by Moneybookers although Bet911 (remember them) stated they charged a $30 withdrawal fee for Moneybookers which is why I never joined. $30! Jesus, every other site is free(except pinnacle) and it should be.
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                • John Dough
                  SBR MVP
                  • 09-21-05
                  • 1785

                  #9
                  Originally posted by TheBeautifulGame
                  Withdrawal fees are completely alien to me due to the fact that I use Moneybookers. I've never been charged to withdraw by Moneybookers although Bet911 (remember them) stated they charged a $30 withdrawal fee for Moneybookers which is why I never joined. $30! Jesus, every other site is free(except pinnacle) and it should be.
                  Why do non-US residents continue to post stuff like this? Of course they're alien to you.

                  This contributes nothing when Americans are discussing payout methods/fees.
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                  • Hareeba!
                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                    • 07-01-06
                    • 37283

                    #10
                    Originally posted by TheBeautifulGame
                    Withdrawal fees are completely alien to me due to the fact that I use Moneybookers. I've never been charged to withdraw by Moneybookers although Bet911 (remember them) stated they charged a $30 withdrawal fee for Moneybookers which is why I never joined. $30! Jesus, every other site is free(except pinnacle) and it should be.
                    Pinnacle is free for one withdrawal per month.
                    Very few of the US serving books offer free withdrawals.
                    I think Betjam does and Greek does if you've had action in each of the previous 4 weeks.
                    All UK and Aussie books offer free withdrawals to the best of my knowledge.
                    I too use Moneybookers for my USD accounts and it costs nothing to deposit or withdraw.
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                    • John Dough
                      SBR MVP
                      • 09-21-05
                      • 1785

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Hareeba!
                      Very few of the US serving books offer free withdrawals.
                      I think Betjam does and Greek does if you've had action in each of the previous 4 weeks.
                      5Dimes, Sportsbook.com group, BetOnline, Heritage all offer one free payout per month (low limits with the exception of SB, but at least they're free).
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                      • kisado
                        SBR Wise Guy
                        • 09-09-08
                        • 519

                        #12
                        For me, it's absolutely imperative that the shop I use offers a free payout. Not because I'm stingy but just the principle of it. Why pay a fee to get my money back? I understand that it may cost the book a few pennies to process a payout but IMO they should chock that up to operating costs. A very small percentage of players at a given sportsbook even make a withdrawal at all. I just don't see the point of paying a fee to cash out funds that you deposited.
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                        • bobbywaves
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 05-06-08
                          • 13280

                          #13
                          Originally posted by kisado
                          For me, it's absolutely imperative that the shop I use offers a free payout. Not because I'm stingy but just the principle of it. Why pay a fee to get my money back? I understand that it may cost the book a few pennies to process a payout but IMO they should chock that up to operating costs. A very small percentage of players at a given sportsbook even make a withdrawal at all. I just don't see the point of paying a fee to cash out funds that you deposited.
                          Imperative for me as well, as it's against my principles to pay for deposits or withdrawals. I never have, never will. Sure, books have a right to change their procedures as they see fit. Just as I have a right to voice my displeasure about it & take my business elsewhere if I see fit.
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                          • megamillionslose
                            SBR MVP
                            • 08-20-08
                            • 2758

                            #14
                            Bookmaker only good for NFL teasers & racebook rebates now!

                            Cash out twice or more on your bet points & those COCKSMOKING managers at Bookmaker will eventually take away your Diamond status & confiscate all your bet points!
                            Originally posted by John Dough
                            Not to mention that since he still gets betpoints it's unlikely he needs to withdraw 4X/month anyway.

                            Those of us with a clue have been cut off from betpoints a long time ago and recently lost the only withdrawal method that was free b/c of processor issues. I now get zero free withdrawals per month, but you won't see me whining about it. In the current environment for US residents, sh!t happens. You either deal with it or quit using that shop.
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                            • bobbywaves
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 05-06-08
                              • 13280

                              #15
                              Originally posted by megamillionslose
                              Cash out twice or more on your bet points & those COCKSMOKING managers at Bookmaker will eventually take away your Diamond status & confiscate all your bet points!
                              I redeemed bet points for cash many times from both DSI & Bookmaker, over $10,000 worth. They never removed my diamond status nor confiscated bet points, as I'm sure they know I would most definitely take my business elsewhere if that ever happened.
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                              • megamillionslose
                                SBR MVP
                                • 08-20-08
                                • 2758

                                #16
                                Did you ever transfer funds to a competitor's book?

                                Maybe that's why they didn't confiscate your bet points.Bookmaker one of the two preferred books my fave NFL teaser tout usually quotes lines from & i love their 8% daily rebate on racebook exotic wagers.Unfortunately the Dept. of Justice crackdown has made me wary of keeping too much money at a book that had their domain shut down.May be truly wise to start transferring or cashing out some of your funds soon since Bookmaker is going to get a nice influx of funds for king FB shortly.Once FB season is over wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see serious problems for those seeking to cash out since the DOJ crackdown had to have cost BM seven or eight figures in losses that they probably won't be able to recoup
                                Originally posted by bobbywaves
                                I redeemed bet points for cash many times from both DSI & Bookmaker, over $10,000 worth. They never removed my diamond status nor confiscated bet points, as I'm sure they know I would most definitely take my business elsewhere if that ever happened.
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                                • lumpy19
                                  SBR High Roller
                                  • 09-12-08
                                  • 114

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by John Dough
                                  Not to mention that since he still gets betpoints it's unlikely he needs to withdraw 4X/month anyway.

                                  Those of us with a clue have been cut off from betpoints a long time ago and recently lost the only withdrawal method that was free b/c of processor issues. I now get zero free withdrawals per month, but you won't see me whining about it. In the current environment for US residents, sh!t happens. You either deal with it or quit using that shop.
                                  Easy there buddy. I've had my limits cut at bookmaker but I'm still getting my betpoints. I wish they'd take the betpoints and give me back regular limits.
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                                  • bobbywaves
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 05-06-08
                                    • 13280

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by lumpy19
                                    Easy there buddy. I've had my limits cut at bookmaker but I'm still getting my betpoints. I wish they'd take the betpoints and give me back regular limits.
                                    Easy there buddy, I never heard of Bookmaker cutting anyones limits. It's obvious Bookmaker/DSI welcomes professional action with their high limits.
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                                    • megamillionslose
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 08-20-08
                                      • 2758

                                      #19
                                      Current Bookmaker management have SMALL testicles!

                                      Numerous non-Asian handicap overseas soccer matches have strict $250 limits(even after they adjust the line).Bookmaker was TOO SCARED to post CBKB over/under numbers on ALL games until the tourneys this past year(probably after suffering STEEP losses from Right Angle Sports clients & followers the past few years).WIMPY management DIDN'T HAVE THE BALLS to follow TheGreek's lead of switching from a 20 cent line down to a 10 cent line this MLB season.Throw in the domain shutdown by the DOJ & the writing is easily on the wall
                                      Originally posted by bobbywaves
                                      Easy there buddy, I never heard of Bookmaker cutting anyones limits. It's obvious Bookmaker/DSI welcomes professional action with their high limits.
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                                      • John Dough
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 09-21-05
                                        • 1785

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by lumpy19
                                        Easy there buddy. I've had my limits cut at bookmaker but I'm still getting my betpoints. I wish they'd take the betpoints and give me back regular limits.
                                        You must know you're in the minority as far as keeping your betpoints. That's kinda bizarre, never heard of anyone else in your situation, but I believe you.
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                                        • John Dough
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 09-21-05
                                          • 1785

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by megamillionslose
                                          the DOJ crackdown had to have cost BM seven or eight figures in losses that they probably won't be able to recoup
                                          Where in the world did you come up with 7 or 8 figures? They reportedly had less than 6-figures seized.
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                                          • bobbywaves
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 05-06-08
                                            • 13280

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by megamillionslose
                                            Numerous non-Asian handicap overseas soccer matches have strict $250 limits(even after they adjust the line).Bookmaker was TOO SCARED to post CBKB over/under numbers on ALL games until the tourneys this past year(probably after suffering STEEP losses from Right Angle Sports clients & followers the past few years).WIMPY management DIDN'T HAVE THE BALLS to follow TheGreek's lead of switching from a 20 cent line down to a 10 cent line this MLB season.Throw in the domain shutdown by the DOJ & the writing is easily on the wall
                                            I'm not concerned about Bookmakers soccer limits, soccer takes a back seat here in the USA. I'm not concerned about Bookmakers 20 cent baseball line, as I play their sister site DSI's 10 cent line. As far as the domain shutdown, they didn't miss a beat & it was business as usual unlike other books (BetEd). Bookmaker has no balls? They allow you to bet 50k on the Superbowl. Despite the reduction in free payouts which I'm not happy about, Bookmaker is still one of the best books for Americans.
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                                            • David
                                              SBR Wise Guy
                                              • 08-11-05
                                              • 875

                                              #23
                                              Payouts are becoming harder for books.
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                                              • Hareeba!
                                                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                • 07-01-06
                                                • 37283

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by bobbywaves
                                                Easy there buddy, I never heard of Bookmaker cutting anyones limits.
                                                well you have now
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                                                • bobbywaves
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 05-06-08
                                                  • 13280

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Hareeba!
                                                  well you have now
                                                  Doesn't mean I believe it, there's not a snowballs chance in Hell that Bookmaker cuts limits.
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                                                  • John Dough
                                                    SBR MVP
                                                    • 09-21-05
                                                    • 1785

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by bobbywaves
                                                    Doesn't mean I believe it, there's not a snowballs chance in Hell that Bookmaker cuts limits.
                                                    I guess they don't have delays or cut the teaser odds of sharps either.
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                                                    • Hareeba!
                                                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                      • 07-01-06
                                                      • 37283

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by bobbywaves
                                                      Doesn't mean I believe it, there's not a snowballs chance in Hell that Bookmaker cuts limits.
                                                      believe what you will but they do

                                                      it appears from your earlier posts that you think the world starts and stops in the US

                                                      well buddy, it don't, there are other places and sports and CRIS/DSI/Bookmaker do reduce limits for sure
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                                                      • soxwin1917
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 09-09-08
                                                        • 1188

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by bobbywaves
                                                        Doesn't mean I believe it, there's not a snowballs chance in Hell that Bookmaker cuts limits.
                                                        You're making the other Americans like myself in this thread look bad. Stop talking.
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                                                        • bobbywaves
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 05-06-08
                                                          • 13280

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Hareeba!
                                                          believe what you will but they do it appears from your earlier posts that you think the world starts and stops in the US well buddy, it don't, there are other places and sports and CRIS/DSI/Bookmaker do reduce limits for sure
                                                          You got it buddy, it does for me as USA is where I live. Obviously I only care about US books, tell me again why I should care about books that don't cater to Americans?
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                                                          • bobbywaves
                                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                                            • 05-06-08
                                                            • 13280

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by John Dough
                                                            I guess they don't have delays or cut the teaser odds of sharps either.
                                                            U guessed right Johnny.
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                                                            • John Dough
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 09-21-05
                                                              • 1785

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by bobbywaves
                                                              U guessed right Johnny.
                                                              You're really intent on proving your ignorance, eh? Mission accomplished!
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                                                              • bobbywaves
                                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                                • 05-06-08
                                                                • 13280

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by soxwin1917
                                                                You're making the other Americans like myself in this thread look bad. Stop talking.
                                                                Hmmm.....So being an SBR Pro apparently gives you the right to tell people to stop talking? Let me enlighten you, this is called a forum. I have a right to say what I want as often as I want, as do you. If you don't like what's being discussed or have nothing intelligent to add, then I suggest you leave.
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                                                                • Hareeba!
                                                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                  • 07-01-06
                                                                  • 37283

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by bobbywaves
                                                                  You got it buddy, it does for me as USA is where I live. Obviously I only care about US books, tell me again why I should care about books that don't cater to Americans?
                                                                  I wasn't suggesting you care about books which don't cater to Americans.

                                                                  I was simply pointing out to you that you were incorrect to state that Bookmaker never limits anyone. That's all.
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                                                                  • bobbywaves
                                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                                    • 05-06-08
                                                                    • 13280

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Hareeba!
                                                                    I wasn't suggesting you care about books which don't cater to Americans. I was simply pointing out to you that you were incorrect to state that Bookmaker never limits anyone. That's all.
                                                                    Feel free to click on the following link & scroll down to limit collars: http://www.sportsbookreview.com/Reviews/BookMaker/
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                                                                    • Hareeba!
                                                                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                      • 07-01-06
                                                                      • 37283

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by bobbywaves
                                                                      Feel free to click on the following link & scroll down to limit collars: http://www.sportsbookreview.com/Reviews/BookMaker/
                                                                      you don't want to believe everything you read

                                                                      it may be true of US sports but most certainly not on some others
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