Player vs VIP Sports, $77,500 winnings dispute

[PD77]

Ok SBR, this case is four months old, surely there has been some resolution to this. VIP is offering some great promos right now but I refuse to deposit until I get word on these ****** at VIP. I've used them before and I can tell you that they go through your bank for more than the original transaction amount. Albeit, pennies more, but the point is it is more than the agreed amount. That doesn't appear to be the problem in this case but I want to know if the accused took a shot at VIP or VIP saw the $76k and took a shot at the player. Or was this a case of the bank denying the transaction because I see VIP cut off Washington state players and Washington also made these checks a crime.

Another question is if the player had prior problems with ******* why continue to let them play or at the very least cut off the *******.

[mighty maron]

link to the case please

[PD77]

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/NewsWire/4723/player-vs-vip-sports-77-500-winnings-dispute.aspx

[rake922]

wow I'm interested... for what it's worth VIP always paid me promptly

[SportsMozart]

VIP was my very first sports book back in 2006. They were nice back then, ok with pro business and they sent you all sorts of gifts for Christmas. I remember getting a leather laptop bag. Then they started to turn vanilla, cut off US players and as for now they are purely recreational " 4 losers only" type of book. They have always paid though. That book was once awesome, now it's just a shadow of it's old self. And state of Washington that made bank checks a state crime- what a magnificent place to live for the people who value freedom!

[cyberinvestor]

I know this isn't an excuse but as a regular online gambler you have to know it is standard practice that these books charge ***** and ****** for cents over the transaction. They do this so it looks like an actual transaction as opposed to a flat dollar figure and thereby a cash advance or related transaction. If you deposit $300 for a ***** you should be prepared to have up to $301 deducted from your account.

[PD77]

I know this isn't an excuse but as a regular online gambler you have to know it is standard practice that these books charge ***** and ****** for cents over the transaction. They do this so it looks like an actual transaction as opposed to a flat dollar figure and thereby a cash advance or related transaction. If you deposit $300 for a ***** you should be prepared to have up to $301 deducted from your account.

I agree you should have more cash in you bank account than will be withdrawn but if the book is sending emails stating the transaction will go through for up to .20 LESS , I have a problem. The industry standard you speak of is for the transaction to be less than the stated amount, always. Until I did one of these ****** I'd never seen one go through for more. The processor and the sportsbook are obviously not on the same page or the processor is trying to squeeze every cent possible from the book and player.

[cyberinvestor]

I agree you should have more cash in you bank account than will be withdrawn but if the book is sending emails stating the transaction will go through for up to .20 LESS , I have a problem. The industry standard you speak of is for the transaction to be less than the stated amount, always. Until I did one of these ****** I'd never seen one go through for more. The processor and the sportsbook are obviously not on the same page or the processor is trying to squeeze every cent possible from the book and player.

Definitely agree. It should be charged for less and not more. A player should not have to have $301 available in their bank account if they decided to deposit $300. I just make it a rule of thumb because I know if I turn my $300 into $30,000 and the check was NSF because I had $300 and not $300.20, I would jump off a bridge. Knowing all the chaos between books and processors in this current client, I try to ensure there is leeway. Even though it shouldn't be that way it is just the nature of the beast right now. Always best to ensure you have extra because it isn't worth cutting it close and risking going on that big run and not getting paid.

[bigugly]

Always do a ***** ******** if you're not talking large amounts of money.

What a buzzkill this would be for the player.

[BET THE HOOK]

Vip has always been a great book to me. I requested a ***** *** ***** yesterday and got my tracking number in les than 24 hours. They did temporarily discontinue ** and ** payouts for some reason.

[PD77]

Ohh great, the dreaded ** and **. Could be anything.

[HedgeHog]

** and ** are ** and **?

[shari91]

Come on guys, you're killing me here

I know it's frustrating but this is the only way things can be handled at the present time.

I apologise as I realise it makes some threads very difficult to understand but your best bet will be to think of what is being edited and pose the question as to why this is currently being handled in the fashion that it is.

All the best with your bets everyone

[HedgeHog]

Ooooooops, my bad. Can we still say checks and wires?

[shari91]

Ooooooops, my bad. Can we still say checks and wires?

As long as you're talking in a general fashion and not in reference to a specific book, then yes that works.

[rake922]

As long as you're talking in a general fashion and not in reference to a specific book, then yes that works.

This is not true

[shari91]

This is not true

Well it's true as far as how I edit posts but considering the number I do, I may make a mistake from time to time. If you let me know what post(s) you're talking about, I'll take a look.

[rake922]

Well it's true as far as how I edit posts but considering the number I do, I may make a mistake from time to time. If you let me know what post(s) you're talking about, I'll take a look.

The way you altered posts in this particular thread would certainly seem excessive by any regular poster who's been here 2+ years. So you don't grasp what is ok and what is not ok to be mentioned on the forum....... or I guess anything and everything is now being censored on this forum


Either way that's pretty unfortunate for the forum's well being

[shari91]

The way you altered posts in this particular thread would certainly seem excessive by any regular poster who's been here 2+ years. So you don't grasp what is ok and what is not ok to be mentioned on the forum....... or I guess anything and everything is now being censored on this forum Either way that's pretty unfortunate for the forum's well being

Again rake, I understand you're frustrated but I am simply doing my job. If you look at Sam's recents posts regarding guidelines in a few threads in this subforum, you'll see where I'm coming from.

[HedgeHog]

Can I use my points to buy an SBR decoder ring, so I can read this heavily edited thread.

[shari91]

Hedge, even simpler would be if people wouldn't mention processor methods in reference to a book. It's very easy to have a discussion without using certain words to get quite that specific.

[HedgeHog]

OK xxxxx, I see your xxxxx. However, too much xxxxxxx makes it difficult to xxxx these xxxxxxx.

[shari91]

I know.

[bigugly]

well obviously we are not really allowed to say anything. even something really vague. let me try again. send money in a way that it is guaranteed if at all possible. this might have fees that will be reimbursed. then you don't have to worry about the question of whether the money actually went through or not. i probably need to be censored now? :|

[Justin7]

I was handling this dispute. I was trying to get proof from the player to support his claims, and I never received it.

[bigugly]

Well as it stands there is a huge smear left on VIP's SBR page. Time to update the page?

[PD77]

I was handling this dispute. I was trying to get proof from the player to support his claims, and I never received it.

Can you ask VIP if there was a resolution to the case? I can't see a player walking away from this amount of cash without crying foul and smearing the book unless there was a settlement and agreement to keep quiet. I still trust VIP with money but my money isn't $77K.

[thisisit]

If he didn't give Justin any info it speaks volumes about the player. I have been at VIP for 10 years, and never one payout issue. Best bonus's in the biz

[Justin7]

If he didn't give Justin any info it speaks volumes about the player. I have been at VIP for 10 years, and never one payout issue. Best bonus's in the biz

The player gave me information. I wanted to verify it independent of anything the player could provide me. We never got past that issue.

[PD77]

If he didn't give Justin any info it speaks volumes about the player. I have been at VIP for 10 years, and never one payout issue. Best bonus's in the biz

This is my point. VIP may have discovered they screwed up and instead of admiting it (IE processor errors etc) they told the player they would pay him if he agreed not to talk to SBR or post anything and if he did they would close his account. I have no idea what happened, but I find it hard to believe a player simply walks away from this much cash without a fight. And if he did walk away you would think VIP would love to chime in. I find it hard to beleive BOTH sides arent saying anything.

[thisisit]

I know what ur saying here, but we all know that the deposits by instant deposit have lead to a ton of these issues, because the players were allowed to take a free shot at the books! I myself do not believe that VIP needs to respond to this, if he didnt have the money in the acct, and he cannot prove he did screw him.

[Justin7]

Can you ask VIP if there was a resolution to the case? I can't see a player walking away from this amount of cash without crying foul and smearing the book unless there was a settlement and agreement to keep quiet. I still trust VIP with money but my money isn't $77K.

It's funny. If a complaint sits for months and neither party adds to it, it can get lost. Anyways, due to this thread, Lou updated the newswire.

[cyberinvestor]

This is my point. VIP may have discovered they screwed up and instead of admiting it (IE processor errors etc) they told the player they would pay him if he agreed not to talk to SBR or post anything and if he did they would close his account. I have no idea what happened, but I find it hard to believe a player simply walks away from this much cash without a fight. And if he did walk away you would think VIP would love to chime in. I find it hard to beleive BOTH sides arent saying anything.

I would say the chances of VIP paying hush money is slim to none and the chances yet another player tried to take advantage of the instant deposit loopholes (processing delays from time of deposit to debit from your account) and won is 99.999999% which is why Justin7 never got all the info.

Long story short is make sure more than enough money is in your account the second you submit your instant deposit.

[PD77]

I would say the chances of VIP paying hush money is slim to none and the chances yet another player tried to take advantage of the instant deposit loopholes (processing delays from time of deposit to debit from your account) and won is 99.999999% which is why Justin7 never got all the info. Long story short is make sure more than enough money is in your account the second you submit your instant deposit.

It says the player had a prevous NSF problem with VIP that was eventaully settled. How? Not a clue. But they let him continue to play. Also if what the player states about running the balance to 55K in two days he should have had time to make sure 1.5K was in the bank. I agree that that the player probably took a shot but you never know these days. Also the part about the player mentioning friends on radio show is pure BS and he is grasping for any leverage possible. Ok I will side with VIP as well and just make sure not to use ********** ***** and not to run my balance up past 20K.

[djefferis]

VIP is a chicken shit book when it comes to winners, but they pay.

Player was clearly the problem here, not VIP.