Just a warning to everyone. I bet the Over on the Cleveland/Tampa Bay baseball game last night. The game finished 3-1, in 7 innings, being shortened due to rain. The standard for grading this bet is to cancel all O/U wagers. However, Bet24 does not do this, and graded my bet as a loss.
Bet24 grading of non-complete baseball games
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jogumonSBR Hustler
- 07-12-09
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#1Bet24 grading of non-complete baseball gamesTags: None -
AimingHighSBR Wise Guy
- 06-12-09
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#2What do their rules say? What have they said in correspondence to you, when you've asked for clarification re whether they've made a mistake with their grading?
In my experience, they're a professional, well-run book, so it seems a bit premature to "warn" people without more.Comment -
skrtelfanSBR MVP
- 10-09-08
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#3In their rules for baseball, it doesn't say anything about shortened games.Comment -
jogumonSBR Hustler
- 07-12-09
- 52
#4They don't mention anything about it in the rules. It is, however, extremely unusual to grade baseball total bets in this way. It goes against the industry standard. Of course, it's their right to follow whatever rules they want. However, this is a very unusual rule, and I can't think of any other sportsbook that does this. Also, since it's so non-standard, I would think they should explicitly state it in their rules.
As far as 'warning', i'm simply giving a heads up that a fairly solid book has an extremely strange rule, that will catch many people by surprise.Comment -
Hareeba!BARRELED IN @ SBR!
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AimingHighSBR Wise Guy
- 06-12-09
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#6They don't mention anything about it in the rules. It is, however, extremely unusual to grade baseball total bets in this way. It goes against the industry standard. Of course, it's their right to follow whatever rules they want. However, this is a very unusual rule, and I can't think of any other sportsbook that does this. Also, since it's so non-standard, I would think they should explicitly state it in their rules
If it's not in the rules, they can't - would be dishonest if they tried to - hold you to other than industry standard, which is to void. If you've asked them, and they've said other than that it was a mistake, fill out the SBR complaint form. I believe their "regulator" is the LGA, unfortunately, so hopefully you can either resolve it with them directly, or with SBR's mediation.Comment -
ziigmundSBR Rookie
- 05-21-09
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#7Completed early baseball game counts as normal finish. I'm sorry for you opComment -
jogumonSBR Hustler
- 07-12-09
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#8I asked them about it, and they said they graded it properly. I'm trying to go further with them, and we'll see what happens.
Ziigmund. I've checked the rules for this at EVERY other sportsbooks I bet with. They all cancel the bet in this circumstance. Bet24 is the only one that doesn't. This includes: Pinnacle, Matchbook, The Greek, Bookmaker, 5 dimes, Betfair, Bet Jamaica, Legends and many, many more. Cancelling the bet in this case is industry standard. This is why I was so surprised that Bet 24 did not.Comment -
Hareeba!BARRELED IN @ SBR!
- 07-01-06
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#9I asked them about it, and they said they graded it properly. I'm trying to go further with them, and we'll see what happens.
Ziigmund. I've checked the rules for this at EVERY other sportsbooks I bet with. They all cancel the bet in this circumstance. Bet24 is the only one that doesn't. This includes: Pinnacle, Matchbook, The Greek, Bookmaker, 5 dimes, Betfair, Bet Jamaica, Legends and many, many more. Cancelling the bet in this case is industry standard. This is why I was so surprised that Bet 24 did not.Comment -
jogumonSBR Hustler
- 07-12-09
- 52
#12Actually, the rule is vague. This is their only rule related to this:
1. All bets on baseball will be settled on the official Major League Baseball result. Any extra Innings played will count in the final
result. (However this is not applicable for Finnish baseball where there is an X odd)
This rule does not state in any way what will happen if the game is shortened. Yes, you could infer that the bet will count. However, with rules you shouldn't have to do that.
Since they decided to grade this bet abnormally, against standard grading rules used by everyone else in the universe, I would expect
them have a rule that explicitly states that they do this, with absolute clarity. Actually, I would expect them to follow standard grading rules for this bet in the first place. I can't think of any good reason for them not to.Comment -
PeepSBR MVP
- 06-23-08
- 2295
#13They can get wacked pretty good with a rule like that.
As the poster points out, unders are a good bet with a good weather report.Comment -
chunnnn2010SBR Sharp
- 05-18-10
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#14bet24 may not be a regular book. However, did they grade their players who bet on under of that game as winners?Comment -
Dark HorseSBR Posting Legend
- 12-14-05
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#16I've been on the other side of the coin, where my Over, that had already won after five or six innings, was canceled because the game didn't go nine innings. Is this a Euro book that isn't aware of the baseball rules?Comment -
RickySteveRestricted User
- 01-31-06
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#17I've always hated this rule.Comment -
MudcatRestricted User
- 07-21-05
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#18Pretty ridiculous. It's been a standard rule forever - the bet should be void. I don't know what kind of rinky-dink sportsbook doesn't know the rules of baseball betting.Comment -
jogumonSBR Hustler
- 07-12-09
- 52
#19After further thinking about this, I think Bet24 was definitely in the wrong about this, mainly because the wording of their rules does not clearly cover this situation. I managed to find one other book that had similar rules to Bet24, Doxxbet. I contacted them to clarify and they said they follow the industry standard and cancel O/U wagers for shortened games.
I have submitted a complaint to SBR. Will let everyone know what happens.Comment -
ziigmundSBR Rookie
- 05-21-09
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#20i had similar issues with completed early baseball games 2-3 times:
bookmaker - void the bet
unibet - graded
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jogumonSBR Hustler
- 07-12-09
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Hareeba!BARRELED IN @ SBR!
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#22
It is the player's responsibility to know the rules of the book at which he's playingComment -
davidchongSBR MVP
- 02-10-06
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#23At bet365, if the game reach the over and the game is cancelled... then the over is graded as winner and under lost... if the game does not reach the over in the moment of game stopped, then is not action.Comment -
Hareeba!BARRELED IN @ SBR!
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#24
Total and run-line betting - The game must go at least 9 full innings (or 8½ innings if the home team is ahead) for bets to have action. However, in the event of a 'Mercy Rule' being called, all bets will stand on the score at the time. Please note that suspended games do not carry over.
Game Total - Subject to 8 ½ innings rule EXCEPT where the game total has already gone over, (if game total has already gone over the quoted total, then bets on the over will be settled as winners, with bets on the under settled as losers) or where the natural conclusion of the game would have meant the outcome of the total quoted would be determined, e.g MLB game is ‘called’, or suspended at 5-5, bets on Over 10 or 10.5 would be settled as winners, with bets on Under 10 or 10.5 being settled as losers, since any natural conclusion to the match would have at least 11 runs.
No problem with that
Rules clearly stated
Players can choose whether or not they want to betComment -
jogumonSBR Hustler
- 07-12-09
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#25
1) Ziigmund said he made an O/U bet at unibet, where the game ended before 8.5 innings had been completed. Unibet graded the bet a loss
2) Unibet's rules state that if less than 8.5 innings are completed, the bet will be void
seems pretty simple to follow..... The only problem seemed to be that Ziigmund accepted the loss, rather than complaining and forcing unibet to follow it's own rules.Comment -
potlessSBR High Roller
- 12-02-08
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Hareeba!BARRELED IN @ SBR!
- 07-01-06
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#27Did you read what was written?
1) Ziigmund said he made an O/U bet at unibet, where the game ended before 8.5 innings had been completed. Unibet graded the bet a loss
2) Unibet's rules state that if less than 8.5 innings are completed, the bet will be void
seems pretty simple to follow..... The only problem seemed to be that Ziigmund accepted the loss, rather than complaining and forcing unibet to follow it's own rules.Comment -
skrtelfanSBR MVP
- 10-09-08
- 1913
#28That's an unusual rule Bet365 has since over bettors are essentially freerolling under bettors. An under bettor can never win a game because it's rain shortened while an over bettor can never lose one.Comment -
southieSBR Sharp
- 05-25-08
- 377
#29Make sure to play every under at bet24 where weather is going to be a factor.
And make sure to take a screen shot of your recent graded loss.
This could work out in your favor.Comment -
RuifgalmeidaSBR MVP
- 04-23-08
- 2024
#30why bet baseball on bet24????they have so much vig on their lines that is impossible to win there.
I have serious doubts that bet24 grades the under as a winner.Comment -
jogumonSBR Hustler
- 07-12-09
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jogumonSBR Hustler
- 07-12-09
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Hareeba!BARRELED IN @ SBR!
- 07-01-06
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#33
if they were mis-graded then I would have thought he'd have objected
he didn't say that so either he wasn't aware of the rules of the house (which he should have) or they were correctly gradedComment -
SlainteSBR MVP
- 12-13-09
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#34eurobooks and american sports are pretty much the same as usbooks and soccerComment
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