Bet24 grading of non-complete baseball games

[jogumon]

Just a warning to everyone. I bet the Over on the Cleveland/Tampa Bay baseball game last night. The game finished 3-1, in 7 innings, being shortened due to rain. The standard for grading this bet is to cancel all O/U wagers. However, Bet24 does not do this, and graded my bet as a loss.

[AimingHigh]

What do their rules say? What have they said in correspondence to you, when you've asked for clarification re whether they've made a mistake with their grading?

In my experience, they're a professional, well-run book, so it seems a bit premature to "warn" people without more.

[skrtelfan]

In their rules for baseball, it doesn't say anything about shortened games.

[jogumon]

They don't mention anything about it in the rules. It is, however, extremely unusual to grade baseball total bets in this way. It goes against the industry standard. Of course, it's their right to follow whatever rules they want. However, this is a very unusual rule, and I can't think of any other sportsbook that does this. Also, since it's so non-standard, I would think they should explicitly state it in their rules.

As far as 'warning', i'm simply giving a heads up that a fairly solid book has an extremely strange rule, that will catch many people by surprise.

[Hareeba!]

Of course, it's their right to follow whatever rules they want.

Bullshit!!!
If they haven't got a specific rule covering the eventuality then they can't just make one up on the fly
Industry standard must apply
Fight this one all the way

[AimingHigh]

They don't mention anything about it in the rules. It is, however, extremely unusual to grade baseball total bets in this way. It goes against the industry standard. Of course, it's their right to follow whatever rules they want. However, this is a very unusual rule, and I can't think of any other sportsbook that does this. Also, since it's so non-standard, I would think they should explicitly state it in their rules

Have you asked them if they just made a mistake with the grading?

If it's not in the rules, they can't - would be dishonest if they tried to - hold you to other than industry standard, which is to void. If you've asked them, and they've said other than that it was a mistake, fill out the SBR complaint form. I believe their "regulator" is the LGA, unfortunately, so hopefully you can either resolve it with them directly, or with SBR's mediation.

[ziigmund]

Completed early baseball game counts as normal finish. I'm sorry for you op

[jogumon]

I asked them about it, and they said they graded it properly. I'm trying to go further with them, and we'll see what happens.

Ziigmund. I've checked the rules for this at EVERY other sportsbooks I bet with. They all cancel the bet in this circumstance. Bet24 is the only one that doesn't. This includes: Pinnacle, Matchbook, The Greek, Bookmaker, 5 dimes, Betfair, Bet Jamaica, Legends and many, many more. Cancelling the bet in this case is industry standard. This is why I was so surprised that Bet 24 did not.

[Hareeba!]

I asked them about it, and they said they graded it properly. I'm trying to go further with them, and we'll see what happens.

Ziigmund. I've checked the rules for this at EVERY other sportsbooks I bet with. They all cancel the bet in this circumstance. Bet24 is the only one that doesn't. This includes: Pinnacle, Matchbook, The Greek, Bookmaker, 5 dimes, Betfair, Bet Jamaica, Legends and many, many more. Cancelling the bet in this case is industry standard. This is why I was so surprised that Bet 24 did not.

be interesting to know if they paid or voided the unders bets?

[potless]

They don't mention anything about it in the rules.

Special Rules - Baseball

1. All bets on baseball will be settled on the official Major League Baseball result

seems straightforward

[Hareeba!]

seems straightforward

if that's the case, obviously one should never bet the over with them if there's any chance of a weather shortened game

and load up on the under

[jogumon]

seems straightforward

Actually, the rule is vague. This is their only rule related to this:

1. All bets on baseball will be settled on the official Major League Baseball result. Any extra Innings played will count in the final
result. (However this is not applicable for Finnish baseball where there is an X odd)

This rule does not state in any way what will happen if the game is shortened. Yes, you could infer that the bet will count. However, with rules you shouldn't have to do that.

Since they decided to grade this bet abnormally, against standard grading rules used by everyone else in the universe, I would expect
them have a rule that explicitly states that they do this, with absolute clarity. Actually, I would expect them to follow standard grading rules for this bet in the first place. I can't think of any good reason for them not to.

[Peep]

They can get wacked pretty good with a rule like that.

As the poster points out, unders are a good bet with a good weather report.

[chunnnn2010]

bet24 may not be a regular book. However, did they grade their players who bet on under of that game as winners?

[Hareeba!]

bet24 may not be a regular book. However, did they grade their players who bet on under of that game as winners?

if they didn't they are cheating the same way PartyBets/Gambookers do with tennis sets

[Dark Horse]

I've been on the other side of the coin, where my Over, that had already won after five or six innings, was canceled because the game didn't go nine innings. Is this a Euro book that isn't aware of the baseball rules?

[RickySteve]

I've always hated this rule.

[Mudcat]

Pretty ridiculous. It's been a standard rule forever - the bet should be void. I don't know what kind of rinky-dink sportsbook doesn't know the rules of baseball betting.

[jogumon]

After further thinking about this, I think Bet24 was definitely in the wrong about this, mainly because the wording of their rules does not clearly cover this situation. I managed to find one other book that had similar rules to Bet24, Doxxbet. I contacted them to clarify and they said they follow the industry standard and cancel O/U wagers for shortened games.

I have submitted a complaint to SBR. Will let everyone know what happens.

[ziigmund]

i had similar issues with completed early baseball games 2-3 times:
bookmaker - void the bet
unibet - graded

[jogumon]

i had similar issues with completed early baseball games 2-3 times:
bookmaker - void the bet
unibet - graded

I just checked unibet's terms:

6.2.2
A Bet on Over/Under is void if less than 8,5 innings have been completed.

You should complain about this one.

[Hareeba!]

I just checked unibet's terms:

6.2.2
A Bet on Over/Under is void if less than 8,5 innings have been completed.

You should complain about this one.

If a rule is clearly stated you have no cause for complaint if they settle in accordance with it
It is the player's responsibility to know the rules of the book at which he's playing

[davidchong]

I've been on the other side of the coin, where my Over, that had already won after five or six innings, was canceled because the game didn't go nine innings. Is this a Euro book that isn't aware of the baseball rules?

At bet365, if the game reach the over and the game is cancelled... then the over is graded as winner and under lost... if the game does not reach the over in the moment of game stopped, then is not action.

[Hareeba!]

At bet365, if the game reach the over and the game is cancelled... then the over is graded as winner and under lost... if the game does not reach the over in the moment of game stopped, then is not action.

8½ innings rule
Total and run-line betting - The game must go at least 9 full innings (or 8½ innings if the home team is ahead) for bets to have action. However, in the event of a 'Mercy Rule' being called, all bets will stand on the score at the time. Please note that suspended games do not carry over.

Game Total - Subject to 8 ½ innings rule EXCEPT where the game total has already gone over, (if game total has already gone over the quoted total, then bets on the over will be settled as winners, with bets on the under settled as losers) or where the natural conclusion of the game would have meant the outcome of the total quoted would be determined, e.g MLB game is ‘called’, or suspended at 5-5, bets on Over 10 or 10.5 would be settled as winners, with bets on Under 10 or 10.5 being settled as losers, since any natural conclusion to the match would have at least 11 runs.

No problem with that
Rules clearly stated
Players can choose whether or not they want to bet

[jogumon]

If a rule is clearly stated you have no cause for complaint if they settle in accordance with it
It is the player's responsibility to know the rules of the book at which he's playing

Did you read what was written?

1) Ziigmund said he made an O/U bet at unibet, where the game ended before 8.5 innings had been completed. Unibet graded the bet a loss

2) Unibet's rules state that if less than 8.5 innings are completed, the bet will be void

seems pretty simple to follow..... The only problem seemed to be that Ziigmund accepted the loss, rather than complaining and forcing unibet to follow it's own rules.

[potless]

[Hareeba!]

Did you read what was written?

1) Ziigmund said he made an O/U bet at unibet, where the game ended before 8.5 innings had been completed. Unibet graded the bet a loss

2) Unibet's rules state that if less than 8.5 innings are completed, the bet will be void

seems pretty simple to follow..... The only problem seemed to be that Ziigmund accepted the loss, rather than complaining and forcing unibet to follow it's own rules.

Yes I did read what he wrote but nowhere did he say that less than 8.5 innings had been completed on a bet graded as a loss. I assumed that his graded loss was sometime after 8.5 innings. If not, yes of course he should be complaining.

[skrtelfan]

That's an unusual rule Bet365 has since over bettors are essentially freerolling under bettors. An under bettor can never win a game because it's rain shortened while an over bettor can never lose one.

[southie]

Make sure to play every under at bet24 where weather is going to be a factor.

And make sure to take a screen shot of your recent graded loss.

This could work out in your favor.

[Ruifgalmeida]

why bet baseball on bet24???? they have so much vig on their lines that is impossible to win there.
I have serious doubts that bet24 grades the under as a winner.

[jogumon]

I have serious doubts that bet24 grades the under as a winner.

I hope so. I'm hoping this is just a case of them not having a clue about how to grade baseball games, and this will be the lesson they need to start doing it properly.

[jogumon]

Yes I did read what he wrote but nowhere did he say that less than 8.5 innings had been completed on a bet graded as a loss. I assumed that his graded loss was sometime after 8.5 innings. If not, yes of course he should be complaining.

i had similar issues with completed early baseball games 2-3 times:

To me, this means he bet totals on baseball games where the game finished before 8.5 innings.

[Hareeba!]

To me, this means he bet totals on baseball games where the game finished before 8.5 innings.

you may be right but it isn't clear and really doesn't change anything
if they were mis-graded then I would have thought he'd have objected
he didn't say that so either he wasn't aware of the rules of the house (which he should have) or they were correctly graded

[Slainte]

eurobooks and american sports are pretty much the same as usbooks and soccer

[ziigmund]

i had similar issues with completed early baseball games 2-3 times:
bookmaker - void the bet
unibet - graded

the game in unibet was moneyline, not under/over. sorry