Get the Fukk out of Betonline
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HedgeHogSBR Posting Legend
- 09-11-07
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#71Comment -
Dark HorseSBR Posting Legend
- 12-14-05
- 13764
#72A single dispute over a future doesn't automatically undermine a book's credibility. That would take internet communication to a whole new level of taking things out of context.
Not everybody criticizing is a newbie, but you know what I'm referring to. There's a drop of red paint in the water and the swarm of piranhas is on its way... The forum could be so much better without them.
When a sportsbook manager comes in here, there's an opportunity. You can test them to see how they respond. Then, if they pass that test, you make them feel welcome and establish some level of trust. After that they will be far more inclined to listen to constructive suggestions. A personal relationship can go a long way. I remember Aden from Actionbets. They were moving their lines too slow with -107 juice and were taken to the cleaners. They could no longer pay. But because I had come to know Aden here I was among the first to get paid. Just one example. Richard from Phoenix listened to many suggestions that were posted here. What was possibly achieved by chasing him out of town?
I do suspect that some books may use this forum to attack competing books. There are just too many newbies that sign up for seemingly no other purpose than create negative momentum.Last edited by Dark Horse; 04-01-10, 06:50 PM.Comment -
BetOnlineSBR Sharp
- 01-07-09
- 256
#73Alex,
When are you getting bankwires back? With a $2500 cap and $50 fee and yet monster limits of $5000 on some stuff its like an extra $100 juice per bet if you win. That and for winning just 1 bet it might take a full month to get out. You need your BANKWIRES back pronto!
NGComment -
Rollins08SBR MVP
- 04-20-07
- 1337
#74Too many questions right now about Betonline. Why not stick with books that aren't having issues?Comment -
michael777SBR MVP
- 09-20-05
- 1936
#75CROOKS!!! they stiffed me years ago and will stiff you too!!!Comment -
idontlikerocksSBR Wise Guy
- 10-09-07
- 571
#76although i am not thrilled by the responses of betonline in this thread, i am glad to see them represent themselves here.Comment -
HUSALAHSBR High Roller
- 02-25-10
- 203
#77Comment -
HedgeHogSBR Posting Legend
- 09-11-07
- 10128
#78BetonSports: A drunken Clive Archer places blame on David Carruthers
Former BetonSports CEO David Carruthers enjoyed a Thanksgiving with friends, family and some online gambling industry leaders inside his luxury St. Louis suite. But certainly not all is sweet. Carruthers awaits trial on various charges stemming from his association with BetonSports including money laundering and tax evasion.
Carruthers - who is not a US citizen, but hails from Great Britain - must wear an ankle bracelet and remain in his St. Louis hotel room, though he has reportedly been allowed to leave two hours a day.
Following Carruthers arrest at the Dallas Fort Worth International Airport in mid-July, BetonSports immediately terminated him. The company settled with the US government two weeks ago but is yet to pay any customers as ordered by the Justice Department.
Those close to Carruthers say he has no intention of plea bargaining. Carruthers, unlike his peers at BetonSports, has maintained his dignity and is still held in high regard by his colleagues. He has also expressed disgust over how BetonSports was completely dismantled in his absence.
A lawsuit will be brought against all of BetonSports Board of Directors shortly.
"I am writing the details for a writ right now for my client," an attorney told Gambling911.com in confidence. "And it will go after all the directors including poor Scott Waller, who really was screwed by this whole thing."
Scott Waller, 46, joined BetonSports in July 2005 as the Chief Technology
Officer for the Group. Scott arrived at BetonSprots with extensive experience in
gaming software as Senior Vice President of IQ-Ludorum, a one time major
supplier of sportsbook and casino software. Scott was previously responsible for
the development and deployment of large scale customer relationship management
(CRM) systems in the IT industry for key customers including Sony, Nintendo,
FujiFilm and Rockwell Corporation.
Also, BetonSports Operations Director, Clive Archer, and Finance Director, Richard Creed, were seen at Sue Schneider's gaming show in Europe last month "completely hammered out of their heads", sources told Gambling911.
"They were spouting off to anyone who listened that David (Carruthers) was to blame (for the BetonSports debacle). Meanwhile, David is telling people that he would have never shut down operations...as he put it, "It was the only leverage BoS had, and they lost it'."
Archer is now focusing on finding employment with another online gambling firm. But his handling of the BoS situation is hardly something that would look impressive on a resume, not to mention the fact that any company looking to hire Archer would risk potential scrutiny from the US government.
Meanwhile, antsy and upset customers of BetonSports have begun to contact the US Attorney's office in St. Louis to advise of the company's failure to live up to its settlement promise. Phone lines to BoS have been cut off, though a few customers have reported a BetonSports representative answering after over a hundred rings.
Most employees have not yet been paid and the Costa Rican government is closely monitoring this situation.
BetonSports spokesperson, Kevin Smith, who ironically resides in St. Louis, will also be the focus of a possible lawsuit.
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Christopher Costigan, www.gambling911.com
Originally published November 24, 2006 12:16 am ET
Hard to believe anyone would hire Archer for even a phone clerk job after the BOS disaster, yet BOL makes him their CEO.
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briandrummonSBR Rookie
- 03-31-10
- 4
#79The issue of betonsports/betonline was discussed here several years ago. As long as it is considered irrelevant by SBR/Dozer that's all that matters.
This whole wave of, mostly clueless, newbies that comes out here to attack the few sportsbook people that actually post here is very counterproductive to those of us who are interested in maintaining an open communication channel.
When will you piranhas have had your fill? You already chased Richard from BetPhoenix away. When he did post here he was very open to constructive suggestions made here. That was useful. I understand that you attack in numbers, because your two cent opinions by themselves couldn't buy a loaf of bread, but the reality is that you're a pest to the river.
A pest to the river….hmmm….Who’s river? We don’t need a politician trying to mitigate for his own personal gain. The reason I joined this forum is because it is an open forum and the truth should always be welcome, no matter who is affected in the end.Comment -
mtneer1212SBR MVP
- 06-22-08
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#80They just never gave me the warm fuzzies at BoL....... there are other better safer places to play.Comment -
jin2dajSBR Wise Guy
- 11-01-09
- 816
#81so let me get this right, you guys had processor issues with the U.S. Gov so you dont pay out 11k. Thats some crap, show proof and possibly split the losses or pay your players. Wheen Tilt and Pstars had major issues I didnt see them telling their players to get their funds from the US gov, u chose to target US customers u take the risk IMO. anyone else agree?Comment -
ScorpionSBR Hall of Famer
- 09-04-05
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#82Welcome back Betonsports' Clive Archer
Get the **** out of Betonline everyone!Comment -
ScorpionSBR Hall of Famer
- 09-04-05
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#83so let me get this right, you guys had processor issues with the u.s. Gov so you dont pay out 11k. Thats some crap, show proof and possibly split the losses or pay your players. Wheen tilt and pstars had major issues i didnt see them telling their players to get their funds from the us gov, u chose to target us customers u take the risk imo. Anyone else agree?Comment -
Raleigh77Restricted User
- 12-28-09
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#84for what is worth i got payed five figures from betonline, it took awhile but their checks cashed.Comment -
BigDaddySBR Hall of Famer
- 02-01-06
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#87if the betmill guy now runs betonline i sure would like the money he owes me.Comment -
MBENZSBR Hall of Famer
- 01-07-07
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#88It's all the same,the BOS family fukked everybody,Betmill was just another tentacle.You'll never see your money,nor will I or anybody else.The only thing left is to try and help others that aren't aware.Fruitless battle with some.Comment -
Bill Dozerwww.twitter.com/BillDozer
- 07-12-05
- 10894
#89"The BetMill guy" never cheated anyone. He did sell to a low rated sportsbook company. When the VO group was its own entity, it was rated B-. The brands didn't go down with new parent company, BOS, until 5 months later.Comment -
HedgeHogSBR Posting Legend
- 09-11-07
- 10128
#90The whole thing smells. You've got BOL with a BOS crook running the show. Then you see the recent attempted Future Wagers theft and can't help but connect the dots. Even worse, BOL is an SBR sponsor so the site you trust the most has to pull its punches with these jokers. At least the future wagers were correctly resolved after a month, but still.....Comment -
clarkd32SBR Wise Guy
- 09-15-06
- 863
#91I have a little money at BOL and will give them some baseball play. I hope BOL continues to be active on the forums.Comment -
BigDaddySBR Hall of Famer
- 02-01-06
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#92
the guy ran betmill and didn't make good.
now he runs betonline?Comment -
TomatoSBR MVP
- 01-29-09
- 1251
#93Tomato doesn't know. Their baseball lines are soooooooo soft. And the limits are high.
Tomato wants to post up, but honestly feels safer posting up at Sportsbook.com at this point.Comment -
aggieshawnSBR MVP
- 01-24-07
- 4377
#94still avoiding themComment -
Extra InningsSBR Posting Legend
- 02-26-10
- 15058
#95Wasn't this story retracted?Comment -
Dark HorseSBR Posting Legend
- 12-14-05
- 13764
#96
Don't take my word for it. Just observe. A short while ago the focus was on Betphoenix. One thread after another. Some with valid criticism, but most by pitchfork carrying bandwagoners without a clue. Now the attention has shifted to Betonline.
The sad thing, from an information perspective, is that valid criticism gets lost in an overload of cheap shots against books.
As to myself, I'm anything but a politician, if it is about manipulation (as you seem to suggest). But if it is about communication, as opposed to going to war at the first sign of disagreement, then I'm guilty as charged. And, as a gambler, I have an inherent respect for good books. Not only do I see them as partners, rather than opponents, but I'm also somewhat aware of the depth of knowledge required to run a top of the line bookmaking operation.Last edited by Dark Horse; 04-17-10, 12:07 PM.Comment -
Bill Dozerwww.twitter.com/BillDozer
- 07-12-05
- 10894
#97
We aren't able to speak on who owns how much of what but what I can say is the majority ownership has been the same since BetOnline.com was bought from the small book in oficentro exactly 3 years ago.Comment -
HedgeHogSBR Posting Legend
- 09-11-07
- 10128
#98I also respect top Books, but BOL is not one of them. Average Book at best.Comment -
Bill Dozerwww.twitter.com/BillDozer
- 07-12-05
- 10894
#99What rating would you give them HedgeHog?Comment -
MBENZSBR Hall of Famer
- 01-07-07
- 5238
#100Do you honestly believe that these guys were going to make the future wagers right without all the ranting on different sites?Sam B has yet to come on and say he got paid from his request of March 26th.Sorry Bill but there is a few of us that will never forget the fukking we got from the BOS family and this outfit seems to be of the same ilk.Not to answer for Hedgehog but these guys are a D at best until the issues they have are taken care of. FTR,Betmill did stiff just as BD said.Comment -
HedgeHogSBR Posting Legend
- 09-11-07
- 10128
#101IMO, just a C- or D+, especially after the future wagers fiasco. Also, I hear that their check payouts are taking weeks to process. Most A or B Books can get you a check in 3-5 days at worst. So basically an average Book at best as I see them.
May I ask what makes them a B+ Book in your analysis?
Thanks, HHComment -
skrtelfanSBR MVP
- 10-09-08
- 1913
#102IMO, just a C- or D+, especially after the future wagers fiasco. Also, I hear that their check payouts are taking weeks to process. Most A or B Books can get you a check in 3-5 days at worst. So basically an average Book at best as I see them.
May I ask what makes them a B+ Book in your analysis?
Thanks, HHComment -
Dark HorseSBR Posting Legend
- 12-14-05
- 13764
#103I can imagine that bringing back one of the old CEO's from the BOS fiasco, and paint him as the one 'good guy' from that time, is a joke to those who BOS stole from. Even if that were true, the willingness to open that old wound is still a public relations fiasco. They don't have the benefit of the doubt. Did I just use fiasco twice in one paragraph? On the other hand, BOL's track record has to be judged on its own merit. Obviously this book is being watched very closely by players, and they asked for that by not making a clean cut with the BOS past, so it has to walk a very clean line and hold itself to extremely high standards. I would like to see them set aside part of their profits to pay back BOS players, even if it takes ten years. By their own recent actions, they can no longer claim that they're a completely separate business.Comment -
Bill Dozerwww.twitter.com/BillDozer
- 07-12-05
- 10894
#104IMO, just a C- or D+, especially after the future wagers fiasco. Also, I hear that their check payouts are taking weeks to process. Most A or B Books can get you a check in 3-5 days at worst. So basically an average Book at best as I see them.
May I ask what makes them a B+ Book in your analysis?
Thanks, HH
Unfortunately the standard for checks is not solidified enough to say good books have to process within a business week. As long as books aren't advertising check times they can never keep, a la Sportsbook.com, we have to accept the hiccups. Last year folks were happy with a month.Comment -
BetallsportsSBR Hustler
- 06-21-08
- 59
#105This sure is a Tough Crowd !
I still don't understand how people place the Blame on a Book when it is taken over by new Ownership ?? or Ex-Employees ??
Does everyone think that the Ex-Employees from BOS just Packed up their bags and left the business ??
maybe we should close out accounts at Books that have Ex- CS, Clerks, Stage managers, etc....
Oh, BTW...That would leave you with NO place to make a wager.Comment
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