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  • siabdo23
    SBR Sharp
    • 12-02-09
    • 300

    #36
    personal attacks thats entertaining
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    • RickySteve
      Restricted User
      • 01-31-06
      • 3415

      #37
      It's very unfortunate that they're choosing to steal from you. I question why WagerWeb is rated C given their history.
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      • Justin7
        SBR Hall of Famer
        • 07-31-06
        • 8577

        #38
        Originally posted by RickySteve
        It's very unfortunate that they're choosing to steal from you. I question why WagerWeb is rated C given their history.
        If no new facts come out, and they don't pay Trixtrix, I'll be very surprised if they keep a rating above D or D+. The let squares bet "accidental CPs" because they will lose, and don't want to piss them off. Take one, take all. You cannot selectively enforce rules. They need to pay the player here.
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        • JohnnyC
          SBR Wise Guy
          • 02-27-09
          • 504

          #39
          Originally posted by robmpink
          booblehubble, glad you joined sbr for the points! Maybe you could step up and order a pizza or two for your family x-mas dinner this year.
          fk u shill fkkkuuuuu
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          • trixtrix
            Restricted User
            • 04-13-06
            • 1897

            #40
            pls don't let the sole presence of the one and only wagerweb shill that we have grown to expect and love, disrupt/mis-direct the purpose of this thread, this thread is created to expose the unscrupulous and malicious practices of WAGERWEB for STEALING money from large WINNERS.
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            • Jrod124
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 10-31-09
              • 5622

              #41
              I actually never had a problem with wagerweb, but I never played for those limits either. My biggest deposit there was 100 bucks. So they prolly just don't cater to the higher roller
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              • robmpink
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 01-09-07
                • 13205

                #42
                Originally posted by JohnnyC
                fk u shill fkkkuuuuu
                Get off my dik
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                • robmpink
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 01-09-07
                  • 13205

                  #43
                  V
                  Originally posted by trixtrix
                  pls don't let the sole presence of the one and only wagerweb shill that we have grown to expect and love, disrupt/mis-direct the purpose of this thread, this thread is created to expose the unscrupulous and malicious practices of WAGERWEB for STEALING money from large WINNERS.
                  Silly trix trix, dicks are for chicks. Shill with dat
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                  • trixtrix
                    Restricted User
                    • 04-13-06
                    • 1897

                    #44
                    Originally posted by Jrod124
                    I actually never had a problem with wagerweb, but I never played for those limits either. My biggest deposit there was 100 bucks. So they prolly just don't cater to the higher roller

                    it has nothing to do w/ "catering" to high-rollers, i had absolutely no problem w/ them cutting my limits to 100$, i simply stopped playing there, mission accomplished.

                    what i have a significant problem w/, is for them to STEAL from large winners.

                    let me put it another way, let's say by some stroke of amazing luck you manage to turn your 100$ into 20k there (isn't that what every punter dream of doing?), as per their current policy, do you think they will pay you?
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                    • Willie Bee
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 02-14-06
                      • 15726

                      #45
                      Originally posted by BubbleBobble
                      Geez....some posters should simply be banned.
                      I totally agree, and will keep my eyes open. Thanks for the head up.
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                      • Jrod124
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 10-31-09
                        • 5622

                        #46
                        Originally posted by trixtrix
                        it has nothing to do w/ "catering" to high-rollers, i had absolutely no problem w/ them cutting my limits to 100$, i simply stopped playing there, mission accomplished.

                        what i have a significant problem w/, is for them to STEAL from large winners.

                        let me put it another way, let's say by some stroke of amazing luck you manage to turn your 100$ into 20k there (isn't that what every punter dream of doing?), as per their current policy, do you think they will pay you?
                        Bud I am saying what is happening to u isn't right. I am just saying I never had a issue with them. I wish u well and I hope u get paid. CPs are so easy to just block on the website, if a books doesn't want to take them, BLOCK THEM
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                        • robmpink
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 01-09-07
                          • 13205

                          #47
                          Originally posted by Willie Bee
                          I totally agree, and will keep my eyes open. Thanks for the head up.
                          Lets get serious here. Ban me for what? Everyone is entitled to their own opinion here and that is what I gave. If you, Double Bubble, or whoever doesn't like what I say, use ignore. I don't go out of my way to attack and only attack back if I feel the need to.

                          It is sad that grown men report things such as this. An opinion.

                          Furthermore, I don't deal with investigations, sharp play, player fraud, etc because it isn't my job. I haven't been a forum world regular for 10 years like others and could care less.

                          I don't think you got robbed because you knew what you were doing. They have a rule, whether it be vague, addressing sharp play. Betting a lot of correlated parlays is sharp play in my mind. I don't know all of the facts either. Last time I read the report it said you were warned. I don't talk to Wagerweb management about players disputes and only read what is posted here.

                          It doesn't hurt my feelings about whatever you people say or think because I wouldn't want to know a single one of you personally.
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                          • trixtrix
                            Restricted User
                            • 04-13-06
                            • 1897

                            #48
                            Originally posted by robmpink
                            It is sad that grown men report things such as this. An opinion.

                            Furthermore, I don't deal with investigations, sharp play, player fraud, etc because it isn't my job. I haven't been a forum world regular for 10 years like others and could care less.
                            you think it's sad that grown men report on you, i think it's sad that a VET for 10 YEARS!! would resort to such childish offensive jibs abotu posters' penises and sexual orientations instead of focusing the topic of the thread at hand

                            and while we're at it, i have another question for you: since you admited you have NOT even read any of the facts of the case and subsequent findings by any persons other than wagerweb.

                            why then are you still posting on this thread at all? when you admit to having only incomplete information and displayed no desire to obtain more. you said your piece, wagerweb is great in your opinion. fine we accept, for the rest of the time, please stay out of this thread unless you actually have something new and relevant to add..
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                            • acarmelo1
                              SBR Hall of Famer
                              • 09-29-09
                              • 6321

                              #49
                              het got robbed
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                              • trixtrix
                                Restricted User
                                • 04-13-06
                                • 1897

                                #50


                                read the last paragraph, wonder which well-wisher did the deed
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                                • robmpink
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 01-09-07
                                  • 13205

                                  #51
                                  Originally posted by trixtrix
                                  you think it's sad that grown men report on you, i think it's sad that a VET for 10 YEARS!! would resort to such childish offensive jibs abotu posters' penises and sexual orientations instead of focusing the topic of the thread at hand

                                  and while we're at it, i have another question for you: since you admited you have NOT even read any of the facts of the case and subsequent findings by any persons other than wagerweb.

                                  why then are you still posting on this thread at all? when you admit to having only incomplete information and displayed no desire to obtain more. you said your piece, wagerweb is great in your opinion. fine we accept, for the rest of the time, please stay out of this thread unless you actually have something new and relevant to add..
                                  you think it's sad that grown men report on you, i think it's sad that a VET for 10 YEARS!! would resort to such childish offensive jibs abotu posters' penises and sexual orientations instead of focusing the topic of the thread at hand


                                  I'm glad this thread is keeping you busy. Anyway, if you know a book is really strict with sharp play, why would you take a chance? I know you have read all of the past wagerweb threads or at least most of them.

                                  This is between you people and I'll comment if I want to. If you didn't bet many correlated parlays and won 9k, we wouldn't be discussing the matter since you would have been paid without a hitch.
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                                  • acarmelo1
                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                    • 09-29-09
                                    • 6321

                                    #52
                                    nice
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                                    • robmpink
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 01-09-07
                                      • 13205

                                      #53
                                      Originally posted by trixtrix
                                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagerweb

                                      read the last paragraph, wonder which well-wisher did the deed

                                      How did they extort you? I'm curious?
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                                      • BigDaddy
                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                        • 02-01-06
                                        • 8378

                                        #54
                                        trix put the clown on ignore he is ruining your thread.


                                        this is outright theft and anyone that doesn't understand that has no clue.

                                        i will say though i have found it is better to keep balances low when doing this sort of thing but these are not the days of neteller when it was easy to move money around and i don't think books paid as much attention to payouts as they do now.

                                        it took one book i played these at 30k before they said hey stop that but they paid with no problems but i wouldn't have expected anything else from the A book i was at.

                                        i hope you get paid trix
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                                        • trixtrix
                                          Restricted User
                                          • 04-13-06
                                          • 1897

                                          #55
                                          can mod just stop robmpink from posting in this thread unless he has something relevant to say? also can someone pm me how put some chucklehead on ignore?
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                                          • robmpink
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 01-09-07
                                            • 13205

                                            #56
                                            Originally posted by BigDaddy
                                            trix put the clown on ignore he is ruining your thread.


                                            this is outright theft and anyone that doesn't understand that has no clue.

                                            i will say though i have found it is better to keep balances low when doing this sort of thing but these are not the days of neteller when it was easy to move money around and i don't think books paid as much attention to payouts as they do now.

                                            it took one book i played these at 30k before they said hey stop that but they paid with no problems but i wouldn't have expected anything else from the A book i was at.

                                            i hope you get paid trix
                                            If everything is on the up and up you shouldn't have to worry about your balances being high. You people are dopes that you don't think these books know what you are doing. Basically you imply you were able to quick hit them and xfer the money out quickly before they could investigate and take action. Trix just chose the wrong book to get greedy.

                                            Sour grapes I guess since your days of doing this at Phoenix are gone. You are a rec player though, right?
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                                            • robmpink
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 01-09-07
                                              • 13205

                                              #57
                                              Originally posted by trixtrix
                                              can mod just stop robmpink from posting in this thread unless he has something relevant to say? also can someone pm me how put some chucklehead on ignore?

                                              Relevant to what? You getting paid? Sorry if you don't like what I say. Everyday isn't sunshine and lollipops. I'm not maching your situation. I hope you get paid but you flirted with a possible red flag.
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                                              • trixtrix
                                                Restricted User
                                                • 04-13-06
                                                • 1897

                                                #58
                                                Originally posted by robmpink
                                                Relevant to what? You getting paid? Sorry if you don't like what I say. Everyday isn't sunshine and lollipops. I'm not maching your situation. I hope you get paid but you flirted with a possible red flag.
                                                lol, thanks troll; btw, whether i like what you have to say is irrelevant, as long as you reach your conclusions from a logical manner. the most power feeling EVERYONE have towards you is indifference. it's clear you 're just here to troll. this is why everyone wanted you out of this thread.
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                                                • BigDaddy
                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                  • 02-01-06
                                                  • 8378

                                                  #59
                                                  Originally posted by robmpink
                                                  If everything is on the up and up you shouldn't have to worry about your balances being high. You people are dopes that you don't think these books know what you are doing. Basically you imply you were able to quick hit them and xfer the money out quickly before they could investigate and take action. Trix just chose the wrong book to get greedy.

                                                  Sour grapes I guess since your days of doing this at Phoenix are gone. You are a rec player though, right?
                                                  where did i ever say it was betphoenix?

                                                  betphoenix is not an SBR A rated book moron but i'm certain they also would pay the CP's with no problems.
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                                                  • trixtrix
                                                    Restricted User
                                                    • 04-13-06
                                                    • 1897

                                                    #60
                                                    back on topic, wagerweb tactics of stiffing large winners are unacceptable, i'm glad that everyone w/ the exception of rob is on the same page
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                                                    • Mudcat
                                                      Restricted User
                                                      • 07-21-05
                                                      • 9287

                                                      #61
                                                      Originally posted by Justin7
                                                      If no new facts come out, and they don't pay Trixtrix, I'll be very surprised if they keep a rating above D or D+. The let squares bet "accidental CPs" because they will lose, and don't want to piss them off. Take one, take all. You cannot selectively enforce rules. They need to pay the player here.


                                                      Strange to see this coming from you. Over the last few years when I was reporting a series of unethical acts by WagerWeb which were also about selective enforcement of rules, you defended WW every step of the way.

                                                      Every report would be followed by Justin from SBR and robmpink saying everything was fine at WW.

                                                      I actually had someone asking me for help and sending me proof of their complaint - long after I had severed my connection to SBR. From reading your stonewalling on the forum, they had concluded SBR was not to be trusted with WagerWeb.

                                                      Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you this complaint has suddenly gotten your attention. It's just puzzling.
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                                                      • Justin7
                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                        • 07-31-06
                                                        • 8577

                                                        #62
                                                        Originally posted by Mudcat
                                                        Strange to see this coming from you. Over the last few years when I was reporting a series of unethical acts by WagerWeb which were also about selective enforcement of rules, you defended WW every step of the way.

                                                        Every report would be followed by Justin from SBR and robmpink saying everything was fine at WW.

                                                        I actually had someone asking me for help and sending me proof of their complaint - long after I had severed my connection to SBR. From reading your stonewalling on the forum, they had concluded SBR was not to be trusted with WagerWeb.

                                                        Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you this complaint has suddenly gotten your attention. It's just puzzling.
                                                        The issue I think you're referring to... The player exploited a software vulnerability to past-post Wagerweb 70 times. At the time he placed his bet, they were about 70% likely to win. Under those facts, I thought it was ok for WW to void all those past-posted wagers. They were unaware of what he was doing.

                                                        This case is very different. Wagerweb had the means to stop these types of bets if they wanted to. They either chose not to, or didn't realize the strength of the plays.
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                                                        • trixtrix
                                                          Restricted User
                                                          • 04-13-06
                                                          • 1897

                                                          #63
                                                          Originally posted by Mudcat
                                                          Strange to see this coming from you. Over the last few years when I was reporting a series of unethical acts by WagerWeb which were also about selective enforcement of rules, you defended WW every step of the way.

                                                          Every report would be followed by Justin from SBR and robmpink saying everything was fine at WW.

                                                          I actually had someone asking me for help and sending me proof of their complaint - long after I had severed my connection to SBR. From reading your stonewalling on the forum, they had concluded SBR was not to be trusted with WagerWeb.

                                                          Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you this complaint has suddenly gotten your attention. It's just puzzling.
                                                          mudcat, can you specify what the complaints in generally in regards to? had i known this would happen at wagerweb i would obv not have played there. but i don't think i have ever seen a complaint regarding to parlays before mine.
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                                                          • UV82
                                                            SBR Sharp
                                                            • 07-25-09
                                                            • 396

                                                            #64
                                                            I have been following up on Justin7 actions and comments over time and I must say that he has been very good with his judgement of bookies & players actions.
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                                                            • RickySteve
                                                              Restricted User
                                                              • 01-31-06
                                                              • 3415

                                                              #65
                                                              Originally posted by trixtrix
                                                              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagerweb

                                                              read the last paragraph, wonder which well-wisher did the deed
                                                              I doubt that edit will stand.
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                                                              • dwaechte
                                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                • 08-27-07
                                                                • 5481

                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by trixtrix
                                                                as i stated in the previous thread, this is what makes this situation so grievious

                                                                1.) wagerweb have correlated parlay stipulation in rules, however many other books have the same rules in affect, and then they config their software to disallow those parlays.
                                                                2.) wagerweb software DISALLOWS/RESTRICTS high correlated parlays, (ie 1st half fav -20/ over 28), their software restricts any parlays where the spread/total ratio exceeds 50%.
                                                                3.) so by the fact that they restricted highly correlated parlays, and their software ACCEPTED my plays which i consider to be loosely correlated (1st H: C Mich -9.5 parlayed w/ 1st H: total over 23. another example: 1st H: Kansas -11.5 parlayed w/ 1st H: total over 28.5.)

                                                                what can any reasonable/logical man conclude from this except these accepted parlays would be considered FAIR consider they have the ability and did block out those cps that the book believed to be unfair.

                                                                that and their admitted selective use of this rule (where they will steal from winner who won these parlays, but NOT refund the losers who lost the parlays) is why this theft is injustifiable
                                                                I think you should get paid, but as someone else mentioned, calling those "loosely" correlated is a stretch.
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                                                                • trixtrix
                                                                  Restricted User
                                                                  • 04-13-06
                                                                  • 1897

                                                                  #67
                                                                  i don't really want to argue the point of loose vs. tight correlation any longer, hell if robbie can learn to play nice then certainly so can i.

                                                                  what should be noted however that terms such tight/loose is v relative. so they need to objectively measured against something

                                                                  so there are 2 ways. 1.) Measure the performance of those parlays, my back of envelope guess is +5% roi, (in line w/ say nfl b.s teasers w/ liberal rules) people disagrees yet cannot give me their fair assessment of the edge.

                                                                  or 2.) measure it against other benchmark books. in this case would be books rated b or higher. in one instance, one b rated book allowed all the similar parlays that wagerweb allowed, and paid it w/ smile, after my winning exceeded 25k, their headlinesman calls me up and you've been killing on this and we know edge exists and this is for squares. so i will restrict your parlay limits but will pay you full balance with smile. Another top-tier book would let you parlay as much as you on the similar correlate lines, but once you've shown that you have a clue, they will limit your max parlay/teaser wagers to be 50 and then 5. but you would've still been paid. even in vegas, lets say a book had inadvertantly allowed me to kick his butt in during the week by sneaking in parlays when he wasn't looking. vegas book will still end up paying me in full then making sure i can never come back to that property again.
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                                                                  • gym rat
                                                                    SBR Sharp
                                                                    • 01-25-07
                                                                    • 476

                                                                    #68
                                                                    Well it seems obvious that you know these correlated parlays are taking free shots at the books. You claim you have made over 25K from a book that banned you and you have even been banned in Vegas for similar wagers. Anybody who makes these types of wagers is taking a huge risk and I can't blame the book for no actioning all these wagers. Don't all posters here at SBR know that correlated parlays are not tolerated by virtually all books? Same goes for multiple accounts! These are the top two reasons for being banned and having balances forfeited.
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                                                                    • Justin7
                                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                      • 07-31-06
                                                                      • 8577

                                                                      #69
                                                                      Wagerweb is taking shots with their policy.

                                                                      Correlated parlays are taken by tons of books - Bookmaker, Greek, Legends and BetPhoenix to name but a few. Most Las Vegas books take them. Most books offering them don't even know they are.
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                                                                      • trixtrix
                                                                        Restricted User
                                                                        • 04-13-06
                                                                        • 1897

                                                                        #70
                                                                        Originally posted by gym rat
                                                                        Well it seems obvious that you know these correlated parlays are taking free shots at the books. You claim you have made over 25K from a book that banned you and you have even been banned in Vegas for similar wagers. Anybody who makes these types of wagers is taking a huge risk and I can't blame the book for no actioning all these wagers. Don't all posters here at SBR know that correlated parlays are not tolerated by virtually all books? Same goes for multiple accounts! These are the top two reasons for being banned and having balances forfeited.
                                                                        what do you mean by virtuall ALL books? aside from wagerweb, canbet, and sportsbook.com; can you name some other sportsbook that retroactively no actions wagers?

                                                                        b/c it's not the industry norm, the industry norm by b rated boooks and above is to pay you then either lower your limit or fix their software. that's the whole pt i was trying to make
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