I just had $1530 stolen off me by a SBR "A+" book. (Resolved)

**nobs** · 10-27-09, 08:12 PM

Peep,

Lets bet 350 points on any of the 2 remaining NBA games left tonight.

You pick what you want Lakers -11 1/2 Clippers + 11 1/2over or uNder 201 1/2 or the other game line isPortland 8 1/2 and 188.

Are you game for a 350 point bet ? I will post up the points to you if you so like and you send me back 700 if I win. You pick what you want.

**moonbeam** · 10-27-09, 08:13 PM

Originally posted by Peep

They have no right offering this bet if they don't want to honor it Halifax.

And I did not have much the best of it, if any. It was not a bad line.

I have 301 games in my NFL database lined at -9 or -9.5.

Out of these, the favorite was (1) in front at the half and then proceeded to (2) lose the game outright only 19 times. 19/301 = .063123 percent of the time. This equates to a one in 15.8 chance of this event taking place. And the odds were +1600.

The book knew exactly what they were doing when they offered this bet. It was only after I won that they didn't want to pay.

Well, Justin thinks I should get paid Moonbeam. Let's see how it plays out. If they don't pay I suspect SBR does lower them. Do you know anyone at Ladbrokes or have any experience with IBAS? I did file my complaint there as well.

IBAS is a waste of time I think Peep. I don´t have good experiences with Ibas.
I guess SBR is a very much better opinion.
Ladbrokes is an A+ book.

SBR C- book Bwin has stolen me 420 Euro for no reason but I guess Justin7 is very good to handle this complaints.

Another question, how can you proof this 1400 odd at bet365?

P.S: I agree what ladbrokes done to you is outright theft for sure

**Peep** · 10-27-09, 08:20 PM

My best proof is the +1400 they are currently offering on the Arizona game right now moonbeam, for the same bet. Arizona is a -10 favorite, the Jets were a -9.5 favorite, hardly a big difference. Not even close to cry "bad line" about. After all they were the ones who set the line, not me. This number was not inverted, no zeros attached, nothing. They knew exactly what they wanted to offer, offered it, and now won't pay it.

I don't know nothing about full games nobs, I am sort of a prop/quarter half bettor. Got enough problems keeping track of that lol. Only thing I remember about me and defending gameday at Rx was I used to fight with Kenny's fellow money movers, who kept calling it a "sh*t book" because they didn't want the movers action. I used to defend Gameday by saying they were a good book for recreational players. Do you have a link to the thread with the bad line thing you mentioned? I honestly don't remember anything about that at all.

**Halifax** · 10-27-09, 08:31 PM

Originally posted by Peep

My best proof is the +1400 they are currently offering on the Arizona game right now moonbeam, for the same bet. Arizona is a -10 favorite, the Jets were a -9.5 favorite, hardly a big difference. Not even close to cry "bad line" about.

This +1400 line on the Arizona game is all the proof any logical person would need in order to conclude that the +1600 that you bet can't be considered a bad line.

However, I'm afraid that it will end up being IBAS that you have to convince, and from the few rulings of theirs that I've examined, they're neither logical nor impartial.

**rookie** · 10-28-09, 04:36 AM

The game (NYJ-BUF) went into OT. Guess what ? Your bet is a LOSS. The correct result of the bet is Fav/Draw ie. NYJ/Draw.

For those who are unfamiliar with this prop bet, Fav-Draw, Draw-Draw, Dog-Draw are some of the nine possible betting options. The result at the end of regulation time is taken into consideration for this bet (example attached).

Are you going to email Ladbrokes now and return that "free money" ?

I am no bookie lover but some of you guys...

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**Keith Richard** · 10-28-09, 05:03 AM

Originally posted by rookie

The game (NYJ-BUF) went into OT. Guess what ? Your bet is a LOSS. The correct result of the bet is Fav/Draw ie. NYJ/Draw.

For those who are unfamiliar with this prop bet, Fav-Draw, Draw-Draw, Dog-Draw are some of the eight possible betting options. The result at the end of regulation time is taken into consideration for this bet (example attached).

Are you going to email Ladbrokes now and return that "free money" ?

I am no bookie lover but some of you guys...

You are kidding right? This can't be right can it?

**rookie** · 10-28-09, 05:26 AM

Originally posted by Keith Richard

You are kidding right? This can't be right can it?

What's wrong with it ? Odds are offered on all nine possible results.

**Eleven** · 10-28-09, 05:29 AM

I agree with rookie here, the bet is a loss in my opinion. The result he had to take was a draw option and not a Buffalo win. I have an account with Ladbrokes, never had any problems, but I know with hockey, you got to be careful, they have props section for reg time section and one including OT. Very easy to assume they all include OT.

**20Four7** · 10-28-09, 05:30 AM

I don't play at Ladsbrook but it looks like what he posted is correct. If that's the case why doesn't the book just explain it. It looks like they may have credited it wrongly and then fixed it.

**PAPSMEAR** · 10-28-09, 05:30 AM

Calling Peep.......

**3put** · 10-28-09, 05:40 AM

From Ladbrokes rules:

NFL Specials Rules
NFL Specials are based on time specific markets. Weekly specials applies to all games played during the NFL Week Schedule. Sunday Early Specials applies only to games that Kick off at 6pm. Sunday Late Specials applies only to games kicking off from 9pm onwards inclusive of any late Sunday night game played. Overtime applies to all markets where played for purposes of settlement unless stated otherwise. All games must be completed for action

An NFL game can end in a draw after overtime.

**rookie** · 10-28-09, 05:41 AM

Originally posted by 20Four7

I don't play at Ladsbrook but it looks like what he posted is correct. If that's the case why doesn't the book just explain it. It looks like they may have credited it wrongly and then fixed it.

They have gifted him money and he wants more. Some of these guys at Ladbrokes are clueless as well. Comedy of errors.

**rookie** · 10-28-09, 05:45 AM

Originally posted by 3put

From Ladbrokes rules:

NFL Specials Rules
NFL Specials are based on time specific markets. Weekly specials applies to all games played during the NFL Week Schedule. Sunday Early Specials applies only to games that Kick off at 6pm. Sunday Late Specials applies only to games kicking off from 9pm onwards inclusive of any late Sunday night game played. Overtime applies to all markets where played for purposes of settlement unless stated otherwise. All games must be completed for action

An NFL game can end in a draw after overtime.

Unless stated otherwise...

Ladbrokes' rules ( http://fbg.ladbrokes.com/en/sports-t...rules-sports#4 )

Match betting - Where odds for both Outright and Handicap betting are available, all bets are settled on the outright price, unless the handicap or qualifying price has been specifically selected. At least 55 minutes of play must take place for bets on that match to stand. If 55 minutes of play do not take place at the time the match is completed, all bets on that match will be void, unless an official result is 'called by the NFL'. Overtime counts except for bets on Half Time/Full Time.

**Eleven** · 10-28-09, 05:54 AM

20Four7: Ladbrokes isn't big on explaining things. Once when I thought I had something right, they never wrote back. It turned out they were right and I was wrong. It was a detroit/st.louis hockey game this year and the boxscore result for the game was wrong in a few places on the internet, something I did not realize until the next day while watching tv.

**Peep** · 10-28-09, 07:11 AM

Guys.

Read the rules.

The bet is graded there after the end of overtime, not the end of regulation time.

No one "gifted" me anything. They stole my funds.

**GETMONEYKID** · 10-28-09, 07:20 AM

"Overtime counts except for bets on Half Time/Full Time."

u ded

**noyb** · 10-28-09, 07:27 AM

still makes me wonder why they didn't just grade the bet a loser then

**Peep** · 10-28-09, 07:45 AM

Yeah, now I am even more confused too.

I think they must have been grading their own prop differently throughout. Why the adjusted price if they didn't plan on paying it. And the rule as written is confusing too. It doesn't say how they will grade it if it is a Half/full time result, just how they won't grade it.

WTF.

**Peep** · 10-28-09, 07:58 AM

AHAH!

I just figured out what was going on, and where the $1530 came from.

But why in a week and a half of e-mails with Ladbrokes no one could explain it to me is hard to fathom.

It turns out Rookie and all are correct, the bet is graded halftime to full time minus overtime. I never found that in their rules. But it is there, and that is where my $1530 came from. Turns out I also had a bet at 50-1 for 1st half/tie that they regraded. I/they have it marked at a loser.

NFL
Buffalo Bills at New York Jets
Double Result
2009-10-18 21:15:00
New York Jets / Draw @ +5000
Lose

Channel Internet

Bet Placed At 17/10/2009

Bet Type Single

Stake Per Line CAD 30.00

Number Of Lines 1

Total Stake Paid CAD 30.00

Total Tax @0.00% (Stake) CAD 0.00

Winning lines 0

Losing lines 1

Void Lines 0

Returns CAD 0.00

But they must have re-graded that one a winner same time. $30 @ 50-1 = $1530.

So mystery solved. But solved only thanks to the posters here, not to Ladbrokes, who couldn't be bothered to explain what and why they were doing what they were doing even after numerous requests for clarification.

Again, thank you for your help.

**Justin7** · 10-28-09, 08:24 AM

I've heard of that rule in soccer, but I have NEVER seen that in NFL.

I learn something new every year.

**Peep** · 10-28-09, 08:25 AM

Yeah, me too Justin.

Again, thank you for your time and help.

**Justin7** · 10-28-09, 08:38 AM

Btw, thank for the assist, "Rookie".

**Peep** · 10-28-09, 09:01 AM

Could one of the mods change the title of this thread to

"Ladbrokes dispute--Resolved."

Fairer to them, even if they are non-comunicative bastards.

**Jonah** · 10-28-09, 09:03 AM

Peeps

Glad you figured it out...

I thought your first bet was a little odd...that was until you mentioned the second one...Jets win/Draw??? And what makes it especially random is you did not know about the no overtime rules...So you were basically banking on a draw at the end of regulation...How often does that happen???

Not worth the 50-1 in my opinion, especially not if you have to double result it as wel...Do you have money to just throw away? No offense.

**rookie** · 10-28-09, 09:19 AM

Ok. I retract my "gift" remark. J7, cheers.

**Rollins08** · 10-28-09, 09:40 AM

In my opinion in order to get rated an a+ you should at least be available to answer customers questions. The fact that they are correct doesn't justify them not answering back.

**pokerplayer22** · 10-28-09, 10:03 AM

Glad you got this issue resolved Peep.

Thanks to Justin for his help...Oh wait once again he managed to get nothing done.

Thanks to Rookie for straightening everything out and coming up with the resolution.

**xxxvince** · 10-28-09, 10:19 AM

nice to see u got paid

**BigDaddy** · 10-28-09, 10:26 AM

good job rookies

nice hit peep 50-1

**TheBeautifulGame** · 10-28-09, 10:59 AM

Originally posted by pokerplayer22

Glad you got this issue resolved Peep.

Thanks to Justin for his help...Oh wait once again he managed to get nothing done.

Thanks to Rookie for straightening everything out and coming up with the resolution.

You've slammed Justin in quite a few posts, whats your issue with him? He does seem to do a great job with no $$ asked in return.

**acarmelo1** · 10-28-09, 11:00 AM

**infamousbacardi** · 10-28-09, 11:22 AM

Just read through this thread....interesting stuff...nice hit...and great find Rookie...I'm in law school, so I really appreciated the end of this story with you coming in there and finding that one.

well done.

**pokerplayer22** · 10-28-09, 11:33 AM

Originally posted by TheBeautifulGame

You've slammed Justin in quite a few posts, whats your issue with him? He does seem to do a great job with no $$ asked in return.

Long story short...i had an issue with Sportbet a few months back, filed a complaint with SBR, case was given to Justin, and he ruled in favor of Sportbet which was completely 100% wrong. Then for a few weeks one of Sportbets managers named Moe left me numerous voicemail messages laughing at me for getting such an incompetent person to handle my dispute and how easily Justin believed the bs that Sportbet fed him. I offered to play these messages for Justin to show him that Sportbet knew they were in the wrong but Justin wanted no part of the case any more. Personally I think Justin received some sort of kickback for ruling in their favor but that is only speculation...Why else would he not want to listen to those messages or even call Moe and ask him about them.

Anyway, my case is over with, but when i see others having disputes with books and looking for help, they just need to know that Justin isnt necessarily looking for the players best interest or for a fair resolution.

Good luck!!!

**tblues2005** · 10-28-09, 11:41 AM

pokerplayer the best thing you can do is not do anymore business with those folks and then if that happens to other players that company will go broke with no business.

**headgames** · 10-28-09, 11:42 AM

Originally posted by pokerplayer22

Then for a few weeks one of Sportbets managers named Moe left me numerous voicemail messages laughing at me for getting such an incompetent person to handle my dispute and how easily Justin believed the bs that Sportbet fed him. I offered to play these messages for Justin to show him that Sportbet knew they were in the wrong but Justin wanted no part of the case any more.

If you have these recordings, can you not upload them somewhere so players can hear them?