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[2Sweeet]

I don't agree with what Doug is saying. Seems more like a flex to show his bet slips then what is happening here.. In 2001 I turned 1k into 145k in 3 months and it was the end of March Madness so it was all NBA and Baseball. It was at SBG Global also and they paid me every dime. They always got a bad rap here.

[jamesrav]

he is getting $20,000 wired to his new bank, the rest (amount unknown) sent via BTC. Are you disputing the $230K total or the story in general? The chats seem legit. I'd really like to know what the story is, it cant be as presented. Too weird. But it appears the so-called evil sportsbook politely gave in and will pay the balance owed.

there was even some dry humor in the chat. After getting denied by several banks due to telling them the wire would be coming from a sports book, he asked the guy what he should say: "don't tell them its coming from a sports book"

[Doug tushyterror]

You’re a fuckin’ self-made Legend in this industry

[DonnieBrasco23]

Regardless of the hoops they made you jump through, here's why everyone on here ain't buying what you're selling. Based on the way you're going about your business, you straight up don't seen nearly sharp enough to ever run up a 230k roll unless you started with a minimum 200k roll. The fact that you don't have receipts to back this up merely proves my point. I could say I say I have a 230k net worth just like you Steph..you think anyone would believe me? They would lil homie..here's why: motherfucking receipts!

You’re a fuckin’ self-made Legend in this industry

[Doug tushyterror]

If you was in my shoes and have been put thru the ringer running around bank to bank tryna open accounts and you finally open one and they "Nope not that one" youd be upset to, so what if i was a smartass they been fuckin with me for a month

Regardless of the hoops they made you jump through, here's why everyone on here ain't buying what you're selling. Based on the way you're going about your business, you straight up don't seen nearly sharp enough to ever run up a 230k roll unless you started with a minimum 200k roll. The fact that you don't have receipts to back this up merely proves my point. I could say I say I have a 230k net worth just like you Steph..you think anyone would believe me? They would lil homie..here's why: motherfucking receipts!

[Brooklyn Dick]

Bottom line here: The only difference between an illegal bookmaker working out of a candy store and Bookmaker/Betcris is that it is easier to collect from the guy in the candy store.....

[Optional]

I literaly posted screenshots of everything every email and my account balance. i been fully transparant with every communication so aint nothin fishy besides BM and how they been handlin this

Don't let it get under your skin.

You looked questionable is why some people are asking questions, but you are obviously fine based on 1) The book agreeing to pay you. and more importantly 2) that they also agreed to only need 20k sent by wire and the rest by crypto.

From my experience they must have believed you in the end to do that.

[StephonAllstar]

I literaly posted screenshots of everything every email and my account balance. i been fully transparant with every communication so aint nothin fishy besides BM and how they been handlin this

[StephonAllstar]

That's why everything about this guy's story is more fishy than a nun's vagina. Something doesn't pass the smell test about being sharp enough to run up a 230k roll, yet for some reason trying to show out in chat for absolutely nobody's benefit & using words like "prolly".

If you was in my shoes and have been put thru the ringer running around bank to bank tryna open accounts and you finally open one and they "Nope not that one" youd be upset to, so what if i was a smartass they been fuckin with me for a month

[Optional]

My question is simple. How come Bookmaker/Betcris does not do all the "KYC" checking on large deposits? Only seems to come in play when you want to get your money, never when they get it.

I know it's easy to believe it's all intentional and just to delay paying. But plenty of mainstream books who are cashed up do it the same way. So I think it is resources and convenience mostly. And it probably feels a waste of resources to KYC people who never withdraw enough for it to be really needed.

In some countries regulators insist bookmakers complete KYC for everyone within a set time, like 30 days. And in Australia they even have a rule that a bookmaker cannot delay a payout for KYC if they have already had ample time to complete it before the withdraw request was made. But even there, it still happens.


Not excusing all the BS, just explaining it.

[jamesrav]

That's why everything about this guy's story is more fishy than a nun's vagina. Something doesn't pass the smell test about being sharp enough to run up a 230k roll, yet for some reason trying to show out in chat for absolutely nobody's benefit & using words like "prolly".

he was pretty ho-hum in saying he bet on "feel". And a lot of 'all ins'. Ya know, just regular 5 figure betting.

[Doug tushyterror]

I mean, yeah, when you're completely at their mercy, getting lippy and unprofessional is not a risk you want or need to take. It literally accomplishes nothing in regards to getting paid.

That's why everything about this guy's story is more fishy than a nun's vagina. Something doesn't pass the smell test about being sharp enough to run up a 230k roll, yet for some reason trying to show out in chat for absolutely nobody's benefit & using words like "prolly".

[Eddy Munny]

I was on this guy's side before but imagine antagonizing a Costa Rican outfit holding 230k of your "legitimate" winnings with that shit trying to be funny? Just for that, I would stiff him on general principle with their 1 size fits all rubber stamp explanation. "Per management decision, we've closed your account & confiscated all funds" (all management decisions are final)

I mean, yeah, when you're completely at their mercy, getting lippy and unprofessional is not a risk you want or need to take. It literally accomplishes nothing in regards to getting paid.

[Doug tushyterror]

Apparently he offered to wear heels and a dress in order to appease them.

I kinda stopped reading after that. It's a slippery slope from there.

I was on this guy's side before but imagine antagonizing a Costa Rican outfit holding 230k of your "legitimate" winnings with that shit trying to be funny? Just for that, I would stiff him on general principle with their 1 size fits all rubber stamp explanation. "Per management decision, we've closed your account & confiscated all funds" (all management decisions are final)

[Eddy Munny]

I can't read all the screenshots this guy posts, is he getting paid???

Apparently he offered to wear heels and a dress in order to appease them.

I kinda stopped reading after that. It's a slippery slope from there.

[jamesrav]

I can't read all the screenshots this guy posts, is he getting paid???

yes, the first $20,000 was wired yesterday. So unless the bank declines it (if the OP did not tell them its coming from a sports book and the bank has policies against that, they could decline it) he should get that, and then the rest via BTC. They did promise to pay him in one of the messages, so its been a procedural thing, not a dispute.

[Stallion]

I can't read all the screenshots this guy posts, is he getting paid???

[Pragmatic]

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USA does not get to make laws for foreign businesses.

The KYC laws are not a USA thing. They are based on international agreements to prevent money laundering and criminal/terror funding. As they hold licenses across Sth and Central Americas they are required to perform KYC for every single customer they service, wherever they reside. Which includes all US players.

My question is simple. How come Bookmaker/Betcris does not do all the "KYC" checking on large deposits? Only seems to come in play when you want to get your money, never when they get it.

Many of the USA books do the same thing. You can sign-up & deposit with user-entered information (Name, DOB, SSN) -- but when you withdraw, that's when they want identification & utility bills & bank statements.

In a perfect world, all the books should do KYC up-front. But the KYC gotcha isn't an Offshore-only thing.

[Brooklyn Dick]

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USA does not get to make laws for foreign businesses.

The KYC laws are not a USA thing. They are based on international agreements to prevent money laundering and criminal/terror funding. As they hold licenses across Sth and Central Americas they are required to perform KYC for every single customer they service, wherever they reside. Which includes all US players.

My question is simple. How come Bookmaker/Betcris does not do all the "KYC" checking on large deposits? Only seems to come in play when you want to get your money, never when they get it.

[Thefix13]

What Constitutes an Illegal Gambling Business?

According to 18 U.S. Code § 1955, the government identifies an illegal gambling business as any business that meets the following three criteria:

• It violates the laws of the state or political subdivision where it's located;
• It involves at least five people who finance, own, or conduct the business; and
• It operates for at least 30 consecutive days and generates gross revenue of at least $2000 on any of those days.

So in your opinion Bookmaker/Betcris is doing NOTHING wrong?

https://www.keglawyers.com/federal-illegal-gambling-business-laws

Here is a perfect example of the same thing Bookmaker/Betcris does.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ma/pr/a...legal-gambling

Yep, all that explains is why YOU don't run a Bookmaker, because in that case it would be illegal. Second you hit international waters or further it's free game.

[Optional]

thanks for the clarification - so anyone could go to Panama or Curacao or wherever and hire a lawyer. But would their legal system say "you are not playing from a licensed country, so we cant help you". The OP is not breaking a US law or any law, but is not authorized to play from the US, so he's not covered by whatever protections the licensing provides ??

Yes people have done that a few times that I know of in Costa Rica, Panama and Peru.

And he isn't breaking any law anywhere by choosing to play there, so he won't hear that objection.

What Constitutes an Illegal Gambling Business?

According to 18 U.S. Code § 1955, the government identifies an illegal gambling business as any business that meets the following three criteria:

• It violates the laws of the state or political subdivision where it's located;
• It involves at least five people who finance, own, or conduct the business; and
• It operates for at least 30 consecutive days and generates gross revenue of at least $2000 on any of those days.

So in your opinion Bookmaker/Betcris is doing NOTHING wrong?

https://www.keglawyers.com/federal-illegal-gambling-business-laws

Here is a perfect example of the same thing Bookmaker/Betcris does.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ma/pr/a...legal-gambling

This is a complicated area and arguable on all sorts of angles, but to simplify it, they are not a US business, so they are not subject to US laws if they do not operate on US soil. Allowing US citizens to use their business if those people choose to is not considered operating in the US. If they intentionally advertised toward US people to play, that changes the position slightly.

If anyone senior from CRIS does enter a US state that bans unlicensed operators offering betting in that state, they could be arrested I believe. But that opens up a whole other bag of worms under international trade laws.

USA has already been sanctioned and fined for breach of international laws over what they did in Antigua

Correct on him, but NOT on Bookmaker/Betcris. They are clearly ILLEGAL and cannot ask for Kyc or any other delaying tactic............

USA does not get to make laws for foreign businesses.

The KYC laws are not a USA thing. They are based on international agreements to prevent money laundering and criminal/terror funding. As they hold licenses across Sth and Central Americas they are required to perform KYC for every single customer they service, wherever they reside. Which includes all US players.

[Brooklyn Dick]

He is not breaking any law playing there.

There has NEVER been a law that says USA people cannot use bookmakers from other countries.

Correct on him, but NOT on Bookmaker/Betcris. They are clearly ILLEGAL and cannot ask for Kyc or any other delaying tactic............

[Brooklyn Dick]

They are not operating in the United States. They are based in Sth America.

And they hold licenses in other countries and are required to know their customer.

Also, it's not an illegal book. USA does not get to say what other countries can license and whats legal in other countries.

US states cannot even make it illegal for their citizens to play there.

The only thing CRIS cannot do lawfully in states that have licensing conditions established is to market to people in those states. Anyone can still come to them and there is no law against that.

What Constitutes an Illegal Gambling Business?

According to 18 U.S. Code § 1955, the government identifies an illegal gambling business as any business that meets the following three criteria:

• It violates the laws of the state or political subdivision where it's located;
• It involves at least five people who finance, own, or conduct the business; and
• It operates for at least 30 consecutive days and generates gross revenue of at least $2000 on any of those days.

So in your opinion Bookmaker/Betcris is doing NOTHING wrong?

https://www.keglawyers.com/federal-illegal-gambling-business-laws

Here is a perfect example of the same thing Bookmaker/Betcris does.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ma/pr/antigua-man-who-was-arrested-13-years-after-being-charged-connection-illegal-gambling

[jamesrav]

He is not breaking any law playing there.

There has NEVER been a law that says USA people cannot use bookmakers from other countries.

thanks for the clarification - so anyone could go to Panama or Curacao or wherever and hire a lawyer. But would their legal system say "you are not playing from a licensed country, so we cant help you". The OP is not breaking a US law or any law, but is not authorized to play from the US, so he's not covered by whatever protections the licensing provides ??

[StephonAllstar]

LETS FUKKING GOOOOOO

[Optional]

that introduces a new wrinkle here, I hadn't considered the 'illegality' issue here. I live in Mexico so that opens up a lot of opportunities (approved by Betfair and Asia Connect) that state-bound residents dont have. So does the OP have any recourse if they say "we decided you've violated [fill in the blank] T & C and therefore aren't obligated to pay you". He can't hire a lawyer since he's breaking the law himself. If 90% of their business comes from US players - despite the illegality of it - they still want to maintain a 'favorable' reputation, so cant just decline paying when they feel like it - the OP will certainly keep up a smear campaign. Interesting business decision dynamics. I'm waiting to hear their decision on Cadence Bank, seems like it meets their requirements.

He is not breaking any law playing there.

There has NEVER been a law that says USA people cannot use bookmakers from other countries.

[Optional]

Someone explain to me how an ILLEGAL sportsbook operating in the US needs KYC information. There is NO doubt that Bookmaker/Betcris does NOT have any license to operate in the US.

They are not operating in the United States. They are based in Sth America.

And they hold licenses in other countries and are required to know their customer.

Also, it's not an illegal book. USA does not get to say what other countries can license and whats legal in other countries.

US states cannot even make it illegal for their citizens to play there.

The only thing CRIS cannot do lawfully in states that have licensing conditions established is to market to people in those states. Anyone can still come to them and there is no law against that.

[pabonaparte]

That's the catch, isn't it? People sign-up with the option of Crypto deposit & withdrawal, but then Bookmaker (and other books) says "Nope, you can only withdraw with wire."

Now, maybe the book has legitimate reasons for specifying a wire. Maybe it discourages some of the "bad" actors.

But for a regular player, I can understand why the wire is a surprise.

BM assumes the player will lose, so they lure him in offering in-kind BTC withdrawals.

And then, when someone runs up 100k to 230k (not really surprising, that can take less than 5 minutes in many European casinos), BM be like: oh no, you're obviously a pro, that offer was for los... recreational players only.

[jamesrav]

that introduces a new wrinkle here, I hadn't considered the 'illegality' issue here. I live in Mexico so that opens up a lot of opportunities (approved by Betfair and Asia Connect) that state-bound residents dont have. So does the OP have any recourse if they say "we decided you've violated [fill in the blank] T & C and therefore aren't obligated to pay you". He can't hire a lawyer since he's breaking the law himself. If 90% of their business comes from US players - despite the illegality of it - they still want to maintain a 'favorable' reputation, so cant just decline paying when they feel like it - the OP will certainly keep up a smear campaign. Interesting business decision dynamics. I'm waiting to hear their decision on Cadence Bank, seems like it meets their requirements.

[Pragmatic]

Someone explain to me how an ILLEGAL sportsbook operating in the US needs KYC information. There is NO doubt that Bookmaker/Betcris does NOT have any license to operate in the US.

All the books (even the USA books) sometimes use KYC for stalling/delay reasons, in addition to the legitimate legal reasons.

I don't know if the Costa Rican books are required to KYC, but the banks are. And if the books are already operating in a gray area, I don't necessarily blame them for taking the approach of "Sure, we took some bets on the Cowboys. But at least we're attempting to screen-out the drug dealers & terrorists!"

[Brooklyn Dick]

Someone explain to me how an ILLEGAL sportsbook operating in the US needs KYC information. There is NO doubt that Bookmaker/Betcris does NOT have any license to operate in the US.

[jamesrav]

I didnt see the last line, you have a bank. I think they are finally defeated.

also check out the article on Cadence Bank impersonators.

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well i guess they have another trick up their sleeve. You might try Capital One or even Citibank believe it or not. My friend could only get Chime (you gotta admit that's bottom of the barrel) and then shocked me by getting a Citibank account. Not sure how he did that since he has almost no ID and lives in a trailer in Mexico.

Regarding the Utility bill, I could swear an exchange mentioned requiring that. You almost always have to show a gas or electric or internet bill giving your address. Pretty easy normally, unless you live with parents.


edit: i see they did ask for a Utility bill for the phone # you signed up with, and you seemed a little upset about that. But clearly you got past it, Just need a bank with a Swift code.

[Optional]

Sounds like they finally became reasonable with you



Well done.

[StephonAllstar]

Anyone defeding them at this point either works for em or is trollin

[StephonAllstar]