All Youwager and Betpop Issues

**Optional** · 05-28-20, 05:50 AM

Originally posted by mrpapageorgio

Question: Why does the book void the entire bet in general then instead of just paying correct odds that they claim it should've been.

Hopefully we will find out for sure. But judging from the time it may have been after segment 3 was underway and live betting already suspended for the race.

We've seen this issue from YW live betting in the past where he browser stalls and bets can be struck very late or after markets close.

**DoctorStrong** · 05-28-20, 06:18 AM

Lol

**JAKEPEAVY21** · 05-28-20, 06:58 AM

Originally posted by pologq

i used to like youwager when they gave loyalty points and calendar promos. now i do not even bother.

yep those perks were nice don't really bother with them anymore.

**bubba** · 05-28-20, 09:33 AM

Originally posted by DontTailMe

What kind of proof are you expecting from them? They say it should have been +500. Now what?

I would want more than them just saying the line should have been +500. I would want the position in the race of what they say are the odds on all participants at the time etc. Proof of a cancelled loser done at the same time (placed and cancelled) from another player would go a long way.

At the very least it makes them work harder for the theft, than just saying bad line, we take the money because we hold it.

**mtneer1212** · 05-28-20, 09:56 AM

OP should be paid at corrected odds, unless YouWager can prove cancelled losing bets as well. Otherwise, they are freerolling,

**joeyknish22** · 05-28-20, 11:38 AM

Then they can tell me what the correct odds should have been (not that they have any clue cause they don't even set them), and pay out market price.

Mind you, this has nothing to do with fairness, it is solely an issue because they banned my account for sharp play, and have went back to audit and try to cancel whatever they could before my final withdrawal. Without that, this never even gets adjusted.

Originally posted by Optional

Bad news. I am almost certain they are correct. I bet Briscoe live at Bet365 +1800 at 17:36 ET as he was passing for 3rd place and the odds dropped to +900 a minute or two after I got my bet in.

Pretty sure you were looking at a stalled browser showing stale odds at 17:48.

**Grits n' Gravy** · 05-28-20, 01:03 PM

Originally posted by joeyknish22

Then they can tell me what the correct odds should have been (not that they have any clue cause they don't even set them), and pay out market price.

Mind you, this has nothing to do with fairness, it is solely an issue because they banned my account for sharp play, and have went back to audit and try to cancel whatever they could before my final withdrawal. Without that, this never even gets adjusted.

I see what opti is saying here but the book is still providing sketchy customer service. Transparency goes a long way in business.

**pologq** · 05-28-20, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by mrpapageorgio

Question: Why does the book void the entire bet in general then instead of just paying correct odds that they claim it should've been.

good question. totally agree.

**pologq** · 05-28-20, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by Grits n' Gravy

I see what opti is saying here but the book is still providing sketchy customer service. Transparency goes a long way in business.

it is very sketchy cause i do not think they void the bet if he ended up losing his winnings. they only looked cause he is asking for a withdrawal. that is not cool.

**Grits n' Gravy** · 05-28-20, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by pologq

it is very sketchy cause i do not think they void the bet if he ended up losing his winnings. they only looked cause he is asking for a withdrawal. that is not cool.

Dead on. Shows they probably aren’t very liquid right now and will be stiffing a lot of customers in near future.

**captrobey** · 05-28-20, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by pologq

it is very sketchy cause i do not think they void the bet if he ended up losing his winnings. they only looked cause he is asking for a withdrawal. that is not cool.

Originally posted by Grits n' Gravy

Dead on. Shows they probably aren’t very liquid right now and will be stiffing a lot of customers in near future.

I hope not because i always thought they were a pretty good company to trust getting paid. I just sent an e-mail to them because they had a promo. 70% FP and a $50 free bet on a sim game. Just does not interest me right now 70% not that great and zero interest in sim games. I have not made a bet since sports went away. But he did not push at all he was very nice about it just said he would be there whenever i am ready. Honestly it would have to be a great bonus because it would just sit there until if i am lucky maybe NFL comes back. Both Betpop and Youwager Casinos are blocked and i will not bother there lost too much there.

**BigBlueNYG** · 05-28-20, 02:47 PM

They used a bait and switch on a bonus offer to me, wouldn't trust them with $ . This kind of crap is what separates BM and Heritage from every other book. When books pull this it's no different than a C Back on their end, freeriolling the players action

**mrpapageorgio** · 05-28-20, 04:03 PM

Originally posted by Optional

Hopefully we will find out for sure. But judging from the time it may have been after segment 3 was underway and live betting already suspended for the race.

We've seen this issue from YW live betting in the past where he browser stalls and bets can be struck very late or after markets close.

If the line was stuck, then why doesn't it say "past post" or "after market closed" instead of bad line. What they put insinuates they were still taking action, just not at that line.

**Optional** · 05-28-20, 05:30 PM

Originally posted by mrpapageorgio

If the line was stuck, then why doesn't it say "past post" or "after market closed" instead of bad line. What they put insinuates they were still taking action, just not at that line.

I don't know MrP. I am just guessing about what happened based on my own bet timing and previous issues with YW live betting.

**BigJay** · 05-29-20, 12:03 AM

Originally posted by mtneer1212

OP should be paid at corrected odds, unless YouWager can prove cancelled losing bets as well. Otherwise, they are freerolling,

This.

I’m pretty damn sure they would have certainly counted your bet as a Loss if Kyle or anyone else won.

This scenario always brings up the “book most likely freerolled the customer” even if it wasn’t their intent.

Pay that man his money.

**dhristov211** · 05-29-20, 12:33 AM

Originally posted by joeyknish22

I have a screenshot of the bet, I sent in to Matt Rossi via the complaint form. Odds were +1795. At 17:48 EST. All live betting software's had Busch the heavy favorite for the entire race. I also had bets on Allgaier and Gragson.

They refunded bets on Allgaier and Grandson at the same time, after the race and before cashout?

**slobib** · 05-29-20, 02:48 AM

Originally posted by dhristov211

They refunded bets on Allgaier and Grandson at the same time, after the race and before cashout?

I would bet alot of money on they didnt

**scottgodson1985** · 05-29-20, 06:51 AM

its common knowledge youwager is a trash book, but this is stealing, Pay the man!

**SBR Forum** · 05-29-20, 12:15 PM

We're actively discussing with YouWager.

**BigBlueNYG** · 05-29-20, 11:38 PM

This is pathetic that it has to be discussed. It's theft , hope it costs them on deposits

**joeyknish22** · 05-30-20, 02:29 PM

Called wagering manager again yesterday (for probably the 20th time). Said line service told him price should have been -110 (lol). I asked for proof. He said he would email it, (never did). SBR still working hard on my behalf negotiating (thank you).

**Optional** · 05-30-20, 04:49 PM

Originally posted by joeyknish22

Called wagering manager again yesterday (for probably the 20th time). Said line service told him price should have been -110 (lol). I asked for proof. He said he would email it, (never did). SBR still working hard on my behalf negotiating (thank you).

If your bet was after Kyle Busch copped the pit penalty and Briscoe restarted stage 3 in lead, what would you estimate the odds would have been?

They closed live markets at Bet365 after stage 2 so can't quote what they had, but would guess his odds should have been no better than +150 by then.

**RedApples** · 05-30-20, 10:43 PM

Originally posted by joeyknish22

I have a screenshot of the bet, I sent in to Matt Rossi via the complaint form. Odds were +1795. At 17:48 EST. All live betting software's had Busch the heavy favorite for the entire race. I also had bets on Allgaier and Gragson.

Just watch the replay on YouTube? Pretty sure they put up uncut full races. Start time pretty easy to figure out.

**dhristov211** · 06-06-20, 02:22 PM

decision?

**BAUS** · 08-25-20, 12:09 PM

What are your limits at Youwager?

Mine are $100 on baseball. This makes me sad.

BAUS

**pimike** · 08-25-20, 12:10 PM

You are to sharp.

**Crusherrr** · 08-25-20, 12:21 PM

$3,000 for NBA and MLB. $300 before 10am EST.

**pimike** · 09-19-20, 04:50 PM

Is this book still trustworthy?

**BAUS** · 09-19-20, 04:57 PM

Originally posted by pimike

Is this book still trustworthy?

Yes, they pay.

In other words, they are not “betting on ass”.

BAUS

**pimike** · 09-19-20, 05:03 PM

Originally posted by BAUS

Yes, they pay.

In other words, they are not “betting on ass”.

BAUS

Thanks

Just don’t want your 100 max bets.

**BAUS** · 09-19-20, 05:05 PM

Originally posted by pimike

Thanks

Just don’t want your 100 max bets.

I think you have to beat them up pretty good and be quite sharp to get limited that severely.

BAUS

**ZAMAZA** · 09-19-20, 05:40 PM

Originally posted by BAUS

I think you have to beat them up pretty good and be quite sharp to get limited that severely.

BAUS

How much money did you get them?

**BAUS** · 09-19-20, 06:05 PM

Originally posted by ZAMAZA

How much money did you get them?

Not sure exactly...maybe 40k over a few years.

BAUS

**ZAMAZA** · 09-19-20, 06:40 PM

Originally posted by BAUS

Not sure exactly...maybe 40k over a few years.

BAUS

1, 2, 4, 6 years?

Can you tell me which country you live in?

**BAUS** · 09-19-20, 06:49 PM

Originally posted by ZAMAZA

1, 2, 4, 6 years?

Can you tell me which country you live in?

Over 2-3 years.

No.

BAUS