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Forgive me, but I also don't remember "lashing out" at people in that case. I didn't think I had to because everyone was on "my" side. I put "my" in quotes because it was a lot of players who were impacted, not just me.
I do remember another longtime user here lashing out at people over the 5Dimes stuff, but I won't mention names because my purpose isn't to stir up any shit. Maybe there's some confusion on this. It might even be me who's confused - who knows.Comment -
Agreed re: the new user thing. That - of itself - is not evidence that something is afoot.
However:
The fact that (possibly) 3 users have all been "shafted" after playing the same slot (and all amassing similar totals) tends towards the following conclusions:
1. They are the same person attempting to add credibility to their story by pretending that multiple users are impacted or;
2. They are legitimately 3 separate people who all - coincidentally - amassed 100's of K on the same slot - and readers here are expected to believe there was no flaw that was knowingly exploited (and if we believe A was a friend of B then we are expected to believe that A did not collude with B to say "quick - there is a flaw in this slot - play now and make 100's of K using technique X, Y, Z to exploit the flaw) or;
3. Any other conclusion? Is there any other conclusion given these facts?Last edited by SportsBettor74; 05-10-21, 06:10 PM.Comment -
For the record: I have never used the term "lashing out" to describe your legitimate complaint against 5Dimes re: the incorrect grading issue. See above - another poster here used the term "lashing out" - it was not me.
If you refer to your thread re: 5Dimes incorrect gradings - you will see that I made several posts detailing the reasons why the wagers in question were graded incorrectly and that 5Dimes was a disgrace for not grading the impacted wagers correctly.Last edited by SportsBettor74; 05-10-21, 06:22 PM.Comment -
Yeah, I wasn't accusing you of anything. I was merely using your post as a jumping off point. I see that was definitely unclear.
And I agree with your assessment in the post above. I wasn't going to say anything, but the introduction of 2 new people, allegedly with the same problem, is not positive development for the player(s) involved.Comment -
The one thing that makes me think otherwise is that this can easily be refuted by MyBookie, if they are cooperating with SBR behind the scenes. If there are/are not multiple people disputing 6-figure slot machine winnings at the same time, that truth would eventually come out. Telling that fib would be quite a gamble.Comment -
This thread is hilarious. Joecool gets booted by Optional. Math is "garbage." OP creates multiple accounts. The most generous slot machine ever. What next?
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That's true. Bare in mind, OP isn't the brightest crayon in the box.
Option 1: OP created multiple accounts and didn't do a very good job of thinking things through.
Option 2: Two (maybe 3) separate individuals all won a shit ton of money off the same slot at the same site.Comment -
All good.
Re: deciding to say something or not: I tend to agree. There is a lot of bs that goes on in these forums. One can go for months without commenting and just get on doing whatever it is you do with the bookies.
This case was a little different and I felt compelled to comment.
The reason is that cases like this undermine the whole fabric that supports the bookmaker industry.
We cannot allow someone to knowingly rip off a bookie and then make threads / posts in an attempt to legitimize this.
I am not a huge fan of MyBookie - and recent occurrences of hacks (see other threads) have not helped the MyBookie case.
But collectively - we cannot allow people to knowingly exploit a bookmaker and then pretend they have a legitimate claim to 100's of K - and then expect us as a community to support such an action.
In the short term people may think "It's ok. The bookie has plenty of money. Let's stick up for the small player against the big bookie.".
But in the long term this degrades the whole industry. We can't allow it AND simultaneously expect the industry to continue in the way we know and like it. I posted above about why it is not realistic to adopt this approach.
Irrespective of the calibre of MyBookie - we should take a stand against a player who knowing exploits a bookie and then expects to garner support from this community in a cynical attempt to get paid his ill-gotten gains. The fact that the player pretended his thread was motivated by a desire to "warn" or "protect" other players did not help his case - when, in fact, there was only one motivation which was to cash in on 200k "won" by exploiting a flaw.
These conclusions are not obvious. But I think that - if one considers all the issues here - they are correct.Comment -
As pointed out in SB74's post above, Option 2 is very possible if there is an exploit that someone(s) figured out. That's why I said it wasn't good for their story that at least 2 of these alleged winners know each other. If I find an edge, I'm letting my small circle of gambling buddies know about it. It's an understanding we all have.Comment -
can i be part of that circle?
good discussion here... i feel there is a major difference between someone hitting a machine with ultimate x multipliers or a progressive for an edge (that someone else built up and essentially paid for), and someone finding a way to beat an online slot, and doing it for hundreds of thousands of dollars
none of us are perfect and it's not a black-and-white world... a long time ago i found a blackjack machine at bally's that was paying $3 on every $2 win... i played that sucker for hours until it ran out of dollar coins, when they came for a refill they also shut down the machine
bulls make money, bears make money, pigs get slaughteredComment -
This is what stands out. $1-$5 slot pulls, none hitting for more than $2,000 and he somehow won $300,000+?
I've had $100,000 wins in online casinos several times, most of them being very recently. But I was betting $2,000-$5,000 a hand in blackjack. Sometimes playing multiple hands. My win streaks aren't unheard of. Winning $300,000+ in $1-$5 slots with no progressive jackpots or big hits isn't possible unless the game had an edge. The RTP on these games is around 95%. Win streaks like this can't happen.Comment -
Great post.can i be part of that circle?
good discussion here... i feel there is a major difference between someone hitting a machine with ultimate x multipliers or a progressive for an edge (that someone else built up and essentially paid for), and someone finding a way to beat an online slot, and doing it for hundreds of thousands of dollars
none of us are perfect and it's not a black-and-white world... a long time ago i found a blackjack machine at bally's that was paying $3 on every $2 win... i played that sucker for hours until it ran out of dollar coins, when they came for a refill they also shut down the machine
bulls make money, bears make money, pigs get slaughtered
Something I forgot to mention here. A few weeks back, I was counseling someone in another online forum who had their account frozen and was not being paid out by MyBookie. I'm not going to link to it because some of this information was shared with me in private and I haven't received an okay to publish more broadly. In the end, MyBookie eventually apologized and paid out. When I asked over PM if MyBookie gave any explanation for why they did it, he replied:
Mind you, this person is a relative novice in gambling and had no knowledge of this SBR thread at the time. My running into this guy who had a similar issue was a complete coincidence.Apparently there was a bug with one of the slot games they thought I'm exploiting (I had no idea about any exploits). They said they Sent me an email explaining the situation that I never received.
What does this mean? Well, it doesn't prove anything about the existence of a software exploit nor OP's possible involvement in one. But what it does tell me:
1. It's most likely that MyBookie genuinely believes there is an exploit which players are taking advantage of.
2. It at least appears that they know enough about this exploit to be able to tell if someone is employing it or not.
3. And, at least in this one case, they aren't using such an exploit as an excuse to confiscate legitimate winnings.
We know of at least one account which they suspected, investigated, and eventually cleared without much fanfare. I think that is important information, especially given MyBookie's sordid history.Last edited by DontTailMe; 05-10-21, 08:51 PM.Comment -
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very convenient when "my friend" gets brought up having the same issue for around the same amount of money. sounds like baffert in his explanation for doping.Comment -
Well then I must be another Joe Cool ghost account, because I agree with Thunderground. Your long winded post on why the OP should not be paid was a flaming POS. It was a poor attempt at trying to present your opinions as facts. FWIW, I don't know if the OP is on the up and up, but I do know My Bookie is a shady Book. So I would not be so quick to take their side. If MB is so sure that the OP's winnings were fraudulent then why haven't they come forth with the evidence by now. The onus is on MB to show fraud, not the OP to prove innocence.
It's laughable that you want to defend the "integrity" of casino action. Online casinos are as crooked as they get, with the bettors getting taken to the cleaners time and again. It's a suckers game that benefit the Books immensely. So forgive me if I take pleasure in someone actually beating them at their own crooked game. Time to get off your high horse, SB74.Comment -
This is a good response because at least it [partially] addresses the arguments I put forth in my post.
I do not agree at all with the content of your post - but at least you have [attempted to] put forth some counter arguments.
Contra some other posters here who resort to an Ad hominem approach (playing the man and not the ball) because they lack the wherewithal to argue a position rationally.
My position is that the fact it happens to be MyBookie in this case is immaterial. If players can exploit software flaws and get paid (despite t&c to the contrary) then this is the "thin edge of the wedge" and is bad for the industry generally. In reality it cannot happen as bookies will just rightfully invoke their t&c.
Anyone coming to this forum complaining that they bet an obvious palp (bad line) and that the wager was not honoured would be laughed out of town. The case of cheating a slot is indistinguishable from a palp.
I suggest you try a little harder to address the specific arguments presented and tone down the emotive language - unless you are unable to debate in a rational and reasoned way.Comment -
Again, My Bookie needs to present its case because they have the burden of proof here, and that hasn't happened yet. Also your reliance on the T & C a Book posts is overblown. The Book writes this for its own protection and it is often unreasonable. For example, if a Book says it can void "steam bets", you would buy into it because it's in their rules. If a Book states suspected syndicate action can be voided, you'd also be on board because it's printed in their T & C. I disagree.Comment -
Solid arguments presented that I will now address:
[1] MyBookie has the burden of proof yet to be presented:
I agree. See my posts in the BetCoin thread. I specifically acknowledged the fact that [whilst I disagreed with BetCoin's t&c] they were to be congratulated for making an open and detailed public post in a forum such as this. In other words, I specifically stated that bookies ought to make public statements when they invoke t&c - especially when large numbers are involved.
[1](a) The fact that MyBookie need to make a statement in this forum that the slot was flawed does not detract from my argued position that the OP should not be paid. We await MyBookie's public statement (take a leaf out of BetCoin's book, MyBookie, and make a statement soon)
[2] If there was a t&c that stated "we can void steam bets"
I read all the t&c before signing up. I would never join a book with this kind of t&c.
- NOTE that no A and B books have such a term.
- NOTE that C rated BetCoin does have such a term (stating that arbitrage / use of arb services may result in all funds confiscated)
- NOTE that I attacked this term in the BetCoin thread and the OP acknowledged that my posts helped him get his cash back
[3] Syndicate action
See [2] above. Identical arguments apply. No A or B book has such a term. I argued against this kind of term in the BetCoin thread. I would never join a book with such terms.
I have addressed all your arguments above.
Please now address mine - I have argued that the OP should not be paid. If you disagree then present counter-arguments in an organised and rational way OR withdraw your claim that my post was a POS ;-)Comment -
Hey Guys,
I am another player whos account got banned from MyBookie regarding this exact issue. I had over 100k in my account that I had built up from sports betting and playing slot games and they used this very excuse as a way to justify disabling my account.
Based on all the information OP has provided, it is very clear that MyBookie is advertently scamming players into playing their games and finding any way possible to avoid paying out big accounts. In hindsight, that should have been clear due to their ridiculous 2k weekly withdrawal limit.
I can tell you that there are many other players just like myself who have done nothing wrong yet are being punished by a scam sportsbook that takes no accountability for their own wrongdoings ever and that will do anything to rob you of your money.
And to Anyone else on this forum has been also screwed over, please make your voice heard and post on as many social media outlets as you can, we are strong in numbers and will support you.
Feel free to DM me personally as well OP about this issue so we can figure out next steps on how to handle this situation, these crooks will not go unpunished, we aint going nowhere until we get our goddamn accounts back.
SBR and moderators, this is a very serious situation and I encourage you to address this issue promptly. We literally have all the screenshots and evidence proving that the players did nothing wrong and also how much money they have robbed us for.Comment -
HAD OVER 100k IN MY ACCOUNT CLOSED FOR SAME ISSUE
Im also another guy who has well over 6 figures in his account and also got disabled. I guarantee there so many more players that haven't spoken out about this issue yet. MyBookie is a scambook and they will not get away with this BS.
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Just wanted to pop-in for a moment.
It's funny that the 6 Posters whom have continued to bash my position, and whom have claimed that I have created other SBR accounts to represent the same person, and that the amounts and timing are too similar to my case, are the same Posters whom have completely highjacked this forum over the past couple of pages. I'm enjoying watching the anger, the emotion, the analysis based on zero factual information, the "theories", the "can't be's, and the "OP" bashing just flowing through each of you. It's comical.
It's like watching a bunch a fat little kids crying that their candy, cookies, and sodas were taken away from Mommy for bad behavior.
Although I would like to share an update with the majority of the Posters on this forum, I will continue to abide by my statement of not providing any further updates. Sorry DontTailMe. I'm a very patient and disciplined individual.
The several posts over the past few pages from these 6 Posters warrant the reason why I am not providing any further specific updates, which would most likely interest the rest of the Posters within this forum.
Carry on:
ace7750, Crusherrr, DontTailMe, Judge Crater, SportsBettor74, and Judge Crater.Comment -
Now I'm just curious if these particular slots are +EV only on MyBCasino and MyBookie.
Otherwise people would just play these games on heritage or betonline who offers them and is far more reputableComment -
Over 100k stolen from mybookie same issue theives
I could go into the details but OP has pretty much covered all the bases in regards to the situation and how its being by MyBookie and Betsoft.
I had well over 100k in my account as well accumulated from sports betting and slots games that MyBookie has disabled for this very same reason with absolutely no justification other than the same BS excuse they sent to OP.
It is absolutely ridiculous that they think they can advertise these games and promote winners on their website while also taking their deposits then blaming 'glitches' on players who have won big so they dont have to pay them out.
Furthermore, although most of my winnings came from slots, a solid percentage of my account balance was from sports bets as well. Are you telling me that those also should be forfeited due to this imaginary glitch?
AND LET ME BE CLEAR, IT WAS NOT A GLITCH. IT WAS A GAMEPLAY MECHANISM THAT HAD BEEN USED WITHIN THE GAME SINCE CREATION THAT THEY CHANGED AND BLAMED IT ON THE PLAYERS FOR ABUSING. THIS IS A STRAIGHT UP CONSPIRACY BETWEEN BETSOFT AND MYBOOKIE, keep that in mind. Brings into focus what these scam artists can do to the little man and think that they can get away with it without anyone noticing.
I have screenshots and video of gameplay to prove it as well, plus updated screenshots of my account balances over a 6 month period.
To anyone who has doubts or thinks getting big balances is fake, you are just a salty hater, suck at gambling and probably a MyBookie spy. Getting big balances require time, dedication, and tons of risk management. Skilled gamblers can empathize, not only did MyBookie rob us of money, they also robbed us of all the time it took for us to build up these accounts LEGITIMATELY.
SBR, please do the right thing and help us address this issue and file a formal complaint. I have filed a complaint form already but have not heard back. This is a very serious issue that affects the entire casino community. The people need to realize they are being scammed.
To new players who are looking for a platform to deposit money to, please be aware of the scam artists and their intentions so you will not end up in the same situation we are currently dealing with.
To OP or anyone other victims of highway robbery, Feel free to DM me at anytime so we can work to take these crooks down.Comment
