So Bet Phoenix saying HR wager ....

[pimike]

Well I’m promised s tracking number next week. I’m certainly no shill and will update you guys on any missed deadlines.

Next week??

[semibluff]

SBR ought to have some sort of comment or statement about the split in the news articles listed on the right hand side of the page. I understand the Bet Phoenix group provides odds for the SBR Sportsbook, (and HR Wager don't), so there might be a question about impartiality based on the previous relationship.

[Roger T. Bannon]

It is possible that RDG bailed out HRWager. It is most likely that HRWager did run from a debt with BetPhoenix and hooked up with RDG. It is not likely that HRWager is not going to pay because worst case is they are getting backed by RDG.

[Outhouse Tim]

I do not have a tracking number. Not sure what to think right now, but hoping for the best.

[Roger T. Bannon]

HRWager is still offering the same bonuses so they did not get bailed out by RDG because RDG does not do those bonuses. So they headed out of the door without paying the last month's rent.

[DontTailMe]

HRWager is still offering the same bonuses so they did not get bailed out by RDG because RDG does not do those bonuses. So they headed out of the door without paying the last month's rent.

How are you so sure? I don't think we know anything about the business disagreement between these two companies nor who is in the wrong.

[Roger T. Bannon]

How are you so sure? I don't think we know anything about the business disagreement between these two companies nor who is in the wrong.

Because it is obvious. First off., BetPhoenix is a major book. They are a legit sportsbook. They are a solid B if not B+. They know what they are doing. They were providing a service to HRWager which is a one-man operation.

HRWager is a D book. Any one man shop is a D no matter what on finances alone. A one-man show that gives out 200% bonuses is going broke eventually.

So what we have here is BetPhoenix getting stiffed. They have reason to believe that HRWager cannot pay. They do not want their reputation ruined because HRWager winds up stiffing. They have reason to believe they will stiff because they just got stiffed. So they are providing a warning that they are not associated with them in any way.

SBR poster think these a similar books. They aren't. HRWager is a bug on the windshield for BetPhoenix. They are just a customer. They are not going to go public with a dispute unless something happened.

Also, HRWager stated in the past that they went to BetPhoenix because they gave services that RDG couldn't. And now they are saying the opposite.

Maybe HRWager does like RDG's platform better. I don't think RDG really provides anything attractive and I don't see anybody saying it is better except for people kissing up.

There is a 99% chance here that BetPhoenix got stiffed.

[eaglesfan371]

Anytime you see 200% bonuses being the norm, alarm bells should ring. From a finance perspective of the book it’s hard to calculate profits as there is so much variance involved in that large of a rollover. If someone completes their roll they’re often cashing out A LOT more than they deposited.

Also, these large bonuses can also give way to a Ponzi scheme like structure since it takes months for someone to complete the roll. Pay withdrawals using new deposit money.

[pimike]

The thing that bothers me the most, is they sent me a 225% free play because I hadn’t been with them for a while. Upon inquiring via telephone the employees was telling me about the bonus so I asked him why there’s not so many of the same guys working there that used to work there, and he immediately said that he is worried if any any of them will be around after SB.

That speaks volumes.

[Roger T. Bannon]

Right. One bad football season and you are done.

Also, HRWager kicks out everybody that completes a rollover successfully. That is a good short term strategy but eventually you just wind up losing to losers and being left with people willing to take your big bonuses. You become a rat on a wheel.

[Roger T. Bannon]

With all that said, I will say that I would not be too worried about HRWager. Them skipping out to RDG is not that surprising and doesn't necessarily mean they have financial problems although this thing about employees is pretty bothersome.

RDG is not afraid of working with scammers because they get their money up front. That is how they make their living.

Bottom line is RDG does not let book go under with them providing services as you saw with 1Vice. HRWager is a nice little book for RDG to have under its wing whether it is by ownership or by providing services.

[pimike]

With all that said, I will say that I would not be too worried about HRWager. Them skipping out to RDG is not that surprising and doesn't necessarily mean they have financial problems although this thing about employees is pretty bothersome.

RDG is not afraid of working with scammers because they get their money up front. That is how they make their living.

Bottom line is RDG does not let book go under with them providing services as you saw with 1Vice. HRWager is a nice little book for RDG to have under its wing whether it is by ownership or by providing services.

Let the dust settle.

Hope all goes well. HRWAGER is one of those small shops I have enjoyed on a few occasions for Mickey Mouse action. Ie wife wanted a play or two. Here and there.

It had a feel of a few trusted family members taking your fun action when onboard.

Best wishes For them!

However glad I didn’t send the old lady’s money to them till I see a safe outcome.

[DontTailMe]

Because it is obvious. First off., BetPhoenix is a major book. They are a legit sportsbook. They are a solid B if not B+. They know what they are doing. They were providing a service to HRWager which is a one-man operation.

HRWager is a D book. Any one man shop is a D no matter what on finances alone. A one-man show that gives out 200% bonuses is going broke eventually.

So what we have here is BetPhoenix getting stiffed. They have reason to believe that HRWager cannot pay. They do not want their reputation ruined because HRWager winds up stiffing. They have reason to believe they will stiff because they just got stiffed. So they are providing a warning that they are not associated with them in any way.

SBR poster think these a similar books. They aren't. HRWager is a bug on the windshield for BetPhoenix. They are just a customer. They are not going to go public with a dispute unless something happened.

Also, HRWager stated in the past that they went to BetPhoenix because they gave services that RDG couldn't. And now they are saying the opposite.

Maybe HRWager does like RDG's platform better. I don't think RDG really provides anything attractive and I don't see anybody saying it is better except for people kissing up.

There is a 99% chance here that BetPhoenix got stiffed.

I don’t think it’d obvious at all. Again, you and I have zero inside information on what caused this rift. Business relationships go bad for lots of reasons. HRWager may be the one at fault here but I don’t know how you can be so sure when you don’t know anything about what happened.

[Roger T. Bannon]

I don’t think it’d obvious at all. Again, you and I have zero inside information on what caused this rift. Business relationships go bad for lots of reasons. HRWager may be the one at fault here but I don’t know how you can be so sure when you don’t know anything about what happened.

It seems pretty obvious to me. Why would BetPhoenix want to trash HRWager just because they went to RDG? They had been a customer of theirs for years. They could come back. BetPhoenix is worth millions of dollars. HRWager might not be worth $2 right now. There is just no reason for a multi-million dollar sportsbook to care what HRWager does one way or another.

However, if they ran out on the rent and left a bill for thousands, they have plenty of reason to raise alarm.

I'm just betting a heavy favorite here.

[DontTailMe]

It seems pretty obvious to me. Why would BetPhoenix want to trash HRWager just because they went to RDG? They had been a customer of theirs for years. They could come back. BetPhoenix is worth millions of dollars. HRWager might not be worth $2 right now. There is just no reason for a multi-million dollar sportsbook to care what HRWager does one way or another.

However, if they ran out on the rent and left a bill for thousands, they have plenty of reason to raise alarm.

I'm just betting a heavy favorite here.

This seems like a lack of imagination on your part. I can think of dozens of things which might have gone wrong between these two companies. Again, you might be right, but no one here knows exactly what is going on.

I will say that the text messages and phone calls from BP sales agents have come off as very sleazy. They seem much less interested in protecting client interests and much more interested in capitalizing on the situation. I don’t know if that is a reflection on the company’s real motives or has more to do with the agents they charged with this task. But it makes me question what is going on. It’s not as obvious to me as you seem to think.

[Roger T. Bannon]

This seems like a lack of imagination on your part. I can think of dozens of things which might have gone wrong between these two companies. Again, you might be right, but no one here knows exactly what is going on.

I will say that the text messages and phone calls from BP sales agents have come off as very sleazy. They seem much less interested in protecting client interests and much more interested in capitalizing on the situation. I don’t know if that is a reflection on the company’s real motives or has more to do with the agents they charged with this task. But it makes me question what is going on. It’s not as obvious to me as you seem to think.

I don't think BetPhoenix is trying to capitalize on the situation at all. They are trying to get the word out that their multi-million dollar business is in no way associated with HRWager because people tie HRWager to BetPhoenix and not suffer any loss of credibility by the actions of HRWager.

HRWager is just a PPH book using BetPhoenix PPH services and renting office space and people think they are much more than that and that has the potential to reflect badly on them.

But if you wish to use your imagination to imagine reasons that HRWager might have preferred to go to RDG, feel free.

[Optional]

I don't think BetPhoenix is trying to capitalize on the situation at all.

Really

Did any of you get this email?

Good Afternoon Mr
I hope you are doing well Im Eddy Account executive BETPHOENIX.ag

This is a Public Notice

For immediate release

BetPhoenix would like to publicly announce that we have NO AFFILIATION WHATSOEVER with HRWAGER and George ******of HRWAGER. HRWAGER is currently in Debt and ran away. They are trying to setup shop at another place.

HRWAGER had used our software platform until Thursday, February 6th. They have run away, and in financial debt. We would like to clarify that any account balances owed by HRWAGER are in NO WAY, SHAPE, or FORM financially backed by BetPhoenix, nor any of its properties. All balance in accounts cannot be guaranteed.

So we would like for you to join our site to keep the same pattaform bonuses so you can continue your sports experience plus a security about your deposit and payouts we like to have you onboard with us..

Feel Free to contact me for more detail in regards our service.

Eddy EXT 7517
1-877-717-7747

[Roger T. Bannon]

No. That is a public notice. But they might as well solicit some business because that is what they are in business for and it's a good time to get some.

They have made a lot of money off of HRWager. Why would they go after them just for changing providers? Would you not want to make it clear you were not affiliated with them in the same circumstance or would you just let it go and hope nobody associates you with them when it all goes bad.

And, of course, if you did provide a notice, you would remind them that they can continue to have the same experience with BetPhoenix. Business is business.

[DontTailMe]

Well I’m promised s tracking number next week. I’m certainly no shill and will update you guys on any missed deadlines.

Next week??

So, yeah, there was about a week delay before I could get a tracking number for my MO shipment, but they did meet their promised deadline. I can confirm that I received payout.

Oh, and they sent an envelope of CASH. LOL

[ace7550]

So, yeah, there was about a week delay before I could get a tracking number for my MO shipment, but they did meet their promised deadline. I can confirm that I received payout.

Oh, and they sent an envelope of CASH. LOL

No way! They sent you actual cash?! Hundreds or twenties?

[Outhouse Tim]

Ditto!

So, yeah, there was about a week delay before I could get a tracking number for my MO shipment, but they did meet their promised deadline. I can confirm that I received payout.

Oh, and they sent an envelope of CASH. LOL

[Frank]

So, yeah, there was about a week delay before I could get a tracking number for my MO shipment, but they did meet their promised deadline. I can confirm that I received payout.

Oh, and they sent an envelope of CASH. LOL

Just an opinion, but that sounds like a book that is being bailed out and people are getting paid by agents who work for the book that bailed them out.

I could be wrong but that's what it looks like to me.

[ace7550]

Just an opinion, but that sounds like a book that is being bailed out and people are getting paid by agents who work for the book that bailed them out.

I could be wrong but that's what it looks like to me.

I'm glad the guy got paid, but there is something pretty weird about them sending him a wad of cash.

[ace7550]

Anyone know which books are in the RDG family?

[temple2010]

Anyone know which books are in the RDG family?

1vice and America’s bookie to name a couple

[Crusherrr]

An envelope of cash? No way....That's actually hilarious.

[pimike]

Any payouts from HRwager lately??