Rethink your forum posts - it could cost you a lot of money...

[lonnie55]

So I had this dispute with a book I don't want to name. They voided 5 different bet slips worth of 33k.

6 months ago I contacted IBAS to review the case. Today I received their answer. One statement by the book really takes the cake. They say that a comment in a betting forum caused the betting company damage that exceeds the sum of one of the betslips (worth of 4,290 EUR). Therefore they had to void it and won't change their decision

IBAS didn't want to comment on this, of course, because the argument as such is just obviously abstruse.

If you assume that every negative public review causes a provable and quantifiable damage to a company don't you think all the companies in this world would sue the composers of the negative reviews? No court on this planet would accept that a simple negative review which is based on facts and which intends to inform the public about an issue can be considered as a justiciable defamation. Otherwise the court rooms would be full of legal cases about negative reviews. The internet is full of negative reviews. But the court rooms are not. Why not?

Ridiculous.

[Vyasports]

excuse level 1000000000000000000 reached.

[Optional]

Surely it is so far away from their remit that they should not even consider the argument!

[lonnie55]

BTW this was the relevant betslip if someone wonders

[trytrytry]

IBAS? never heard of them so they are like 3rd party dispute site for legal real sportsbooks?

[lonnie55]

IBAS? never heard of them so they are like 3rd party dispute site for legal real sportsbooks?

only for those who are registered: https://www.ibas-uk.com/operators/re...tor-directory/

[Vyasports]

im wondering what if your bet lost, would the "bookie" in question ask you to pay the so called "damage done" ...hahah
most bookies love it when players bet parlays/accumulator but they pi$$ their pants when you get a big win from a 100eur bet.

@lonnie: can you post the other 4 betslips?

[Optional]

IBAS? never heard of them so they are like 3rd party dispute site for legal real sportsbooks?

Kind of. But a bit more like a legalized excuse maker for the UK bookmakers.

[PD77]

So it's safe to say IBAS is useless and the book is a scam. I'm curious as to what type of leverage IBAS has, must not be much. I think I see the problem, Operators pay a registration fee and the fee is based off of how many complaints IBAS receives. Good news is you can file an appeal with IBAS, bad news is the appeal goes to IBAS. WTF?
Tough luck Lonnie. It would take everything I had not to name the book.

[jtoler]

unreal gl lonnie hope its not a book I use

[Vyasports]

I didnt want to point out the obvious but by looking at the bet slip some of us already know which book it is....

[lonnie55]

@lonnie: can you post the other 4 betslips?

https://imgur.com/a/aOjh9tf

[VeggieDog]

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[lonnie55]

I didnt want to point out the obvious but by looking at the bet slip some of us already know which book it is....

It's actually pretty unknown. It's an EU based book with brick and mortar shops in Austria and Switzerland AFAIK. Licensed in Alderney.

[Optional]

It's actually pretty unknown. It's an EU based book with brick and mortar shops in Austria and Switzerland AFAIK. Licensed in Alderney.

What's the situation with IBAS now? Non UKGC books and players outside UK is normal for them now?

[lonnie55]

What's the situation with IBAS now? Non UKGC books and players outside UK is normal for them now?

Do I need a GB Gambling Commission
Licence to become registered?
Initially, IBAS was designed to be restricted to
British operators only, but we have considered
and accepted many applications from operators
licensed in territories included on the
Commission’s White List and we will consider
other applications based on their own merits.

Source: https://www.ibas-uk.com/media/1076/ibas-2017.pdf (page 6)

[OVAKUL]

So it's safe to say IBAS is useless and the book is a scam. I'm curious as to what type of leverage IBAS has, must not be much. I think I see the problem, Operators pay a registration fee and the fee is based off of how many complaints IBAS receives. Good news is you can file an appeal with IBAS, bad news is the appeal goes to IBAS. WTF?
Tough luck Lonnie. It would take everything I had not to name the book.

Conflict of interest. IBAS punishing a sportsbook = NBA punishing referees who magically help an underdog team to win 1-2 games to prolong the playoff series.

Everyone does what is good for business.

To give another example, if you complain at an Air BnB host and they complain against you and it's your word against theirs. You have a very good chance to be banned from their website. Account suspended and no appeal. Because you are only small fish, a customer. Website makes money from hosts commissions. So your chance of winning such dispute = not very good.

[LAbra2k]

This is ridiculous...can anyone tell me which bookie that is?

[stackz125]

Unreal fuk thrm
Why are you still playing at the Micky mouse shop
No fuking balls

[HurryUpAndDrink]

wow, just wow, never seen anything similar, not even with offshore US rogue shops

[ouzoun]

Ibass

[hairi944]

Is that wirwetten?

[cashin81]

so if you made good comments, you can share profits with a book?

i really like william hill.

i want at least 3k for this post

[KittiP]

Have you given up or are you still trying other ways to solve this?

[EveryNight]

It seemed like youwager did the same thing to a couple players here a few months ago. There was a thread, I can't find it now, but basically the guy said that after he posted, Youwager then confiscated the money left in his account. It was $3k or something. No idea if he ever got it back. Another guy, they were trying to stiff him on $77k.

So yeah, definitely need to be careful when to post and when not to.

[lonnie55]

It seemed like youwager did the same thing to a couple players here a few months ago. There was a thread, I can't find it now, but basically the guy said that after he posted, Youwager then confiscated the money left in his account. It was $3k or something. No idea if he ever got it back. Another guy, they were trying to stiff him on $77k.

So yeah, definitely need to be careful when to post and when not to.

Maybe a bit different from my case as I tried first to solve the issue with the book. When my efforts failed I made it public in a German betting forum. And now what the book states is that they originally had the plan to pay but when I decided to make the case public the reputational damage caused by my post would exceed my actual winnings.

Decide for yourself if this logic is legit or not.

[LAbra2k]

What was the problem with that bookie before?

[lonnie55]

Have you given up or are you still trying other ways to solve this?

Sorry, missed that one. I responded to IBAS and have been waiting for a reply which can take further 40 days.

What was the problem with that bookie before?

Do you mean user EveryNight? I had no problem with that book until this issue came up

[Wohlford]

Absolutely unreal. I'd rather be at Tony's mercy than appeal to IBAS.

[jmanti]

Never ever heard something like that. So what does it mean for us all....be quiet,don't be a pain to the book and let them treat us as they want and if we make any trouble on the last place we can - the internet-...we get kicked. I am so sick of this bu****it.

[Wohlford]

The regulator says that the question of the impact of OP's message board statements is not a gaming question, it's a civil one. That is correct.

So the regulator should give them a GAMING answer: Pay OP his money.

If the casino wants to then sue OP for libel, then they must appeal to the civil justice system. The gaming regulation is clear: pay that man his money.

[BigdaddyQH]

Just another example of people begging to be taken by an off shore book. This guy gets swindled, but there is NOTHING he can do about it. He allegedly has all of these winning tickets, but he can not afford to fly to Vegas or set up with a runner in Vegas to get his wager down and collect his money legitimately? Once again we see a bunch of guys who are so afraid of losing that they will go through great lengths to get freebies and other off shore gimmicks instead of concentrating on the real problem. Winning wagers. If you play off shore and get ripped off, you are getting what you pay for. How many hundreds of victims will it take for you guys to learn this?

[Stallion]

Only play at highly rated sportsbooks and you wouldn't have this problem.

[lonnie55]

Just another example of people begging to be taken by an off shore book. This guy gets swindled, but there is NOTHING he can do about it. He allegedly has all of these winning tickets, but he can not afford to fly to Vegas or set up with a runner in Vegas to get his wager down and collect his money legitimately? Once again we see a bunch of guys who are so afraid of losing that they will go through great lengths to get freebies and other off shore gimmicks instead of concentrating on the real problem. Winning wagers. If you play off shore and get ripped off, you are getting what you pay for. How many hundreds of victims will it take for you guys to learn this?

Mhh let met think about. Why didn't I place this bet at a highly rated book?

Reason 1: My accounts at highly rated soft books are all limited to cents.
Reason 2: All the other highly rated books do not offer the matches I want to place my bets on.

So your conclusion in this case would have been: Don't place the bet at all.

My conclusion was: Place the bet at as many books as possible and hope for the best.

What happened? I placed the bet at around 15 books and 12 paid, the rest voided or made problems.

P/L in my scenario: +17k (33k have been voided, but still a nice profit)
P/L in your scenario: +0k

Would you still say it's not worth it?

[piterp]

IBAS again show that every reason is good to take bookmaker side