BetUS and Tout collaborating on Scam? SBR investigates

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  • SBR Lou
    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
    • 08-02-07
    • 37863

    #1
    BetUS and Tout collaborating on Scam? SBR investigates
    BetUS and Tout collaborating on Scam? SBR investigates

    3/28/2009 3:44:36 PM



    Sportsbettingchamp.com, a website promoting pro capper, John Morrison and the "John Morrison Chase Betting System”, is working with BetUS (SBR rating C-) to scam players.

    How the scam works: When players sign up with BetUS through the sportsbettingchamp.com website, BetUS identifies that player as a “Chase system” referral. When that player wants to make a play released by the tout, BetUS deals a unique, higher-priced line on that game for that specific player. It is similar to a grocery store changing price tags after they find out what you were sent to purchase.

    For example, on March 23, 2009, the “Chase system” told the players to bet on the Los Angeles Clippers. BetUS and most books were offering a spread of +15 for this game. Most BetUS players, including those referred to BetUS through other professional handicapper websites received the fair line of +15. Players who were referred to BetUS from the sportsbettingchamp's website were offered a line of +13.5.

    Other recent examples of dealing inflated lines only to the tout’s subscribers include:
    March 7, 2009: Golden State Warriors +6 (vs +8)
    March 3, 2009: Toronto Raptors +6.5 (vs +8)
    March 1, 2009: Toronto Raptors +4.5 (vs +6)
    February 24, 2009: Charlotte Hornets +5.5 (vs +7)

    In every case, the alternate line is only on games released by the tout, and always hurts the player following paying for the pick. The BetUs customer essentially pays much more than he or she realizes. BetUS’s tactic of moving the line against these players means that instead of charging the normal -110 for these wagers, BetUS is effectively charging these players -140 – FOUR TIMES the usual bookmaker commission.

    Players are advised to use caution following any tout that suggests you use a particular sportsbook. SBR has received many complaints over the years involving touts that gain the bettor's confidence before taking part in various sportsbook scams.
  • MonkeyF0cker
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 06-12-07
    • 12144

    #2
    A chase system from a tout on a scam book. Anyone who is dumb enough to be doing these things almost deserves their fate.
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    • AgainstAllOdds
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 02-24-08
      • 6053

      #3
      This is a flat out scam BUT it might be worth it to try if using crazyl's example of fair line offered was +15, BetUS offered +13.5....if you used this to bet the other side, you would be getting -13.5 for the fav.

      Thats pretty good.
      Originally posted by SBR_John
      AAO = good dude. Buying you a drink in Vegas buddy.
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      • TPowell
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 02-21-08
        • 18842

        #4
        exactly, fuk Morrison and fade his plays with the better line
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        • AgainstAllOdds
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 02-24-08
          • 6053

          #5
          Just another example of what I mean using crazyl's statement.

          March 7, 2009: Golden State Warriors +6 (vs +8) You could get -6 when -8 was everywhere else.
          Originally posted by SBR_John
          AAO = good dude. Buying you a drink in Vegas buddy.
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          • bobbyfk
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 01-19-09
            • 15218

            #6
            what were the final scores of these games? did the line changes make a difference in the win/lose?
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            • tacomax
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 08-10-05
              • 9619

              #7
              Originally posted by AgainstAllOdds
              This is a flat out scam BUT it might be worth it to try if using crazyl's example of fair line offered was +15, BetUS offered +13.5....if you used this to bet the other side, you would be getting -13.5 for the fav.

              Thats pretty good.
              Yes, but how many times would you be able to do it?
              Originally posted by pags11
              SBR would never get rid of me...ever...
              Originally posted by BuddyBear
              I'd probably most likely chose Pags to jack off too.
              Originally posted by curious
              taco is not a troll, he is a bubonic plague bacteria.
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              • tomcowley
                SBR MVP
                • 10-01-07
                • 1129

                #8
                I really don't see what BetUS is doing wrong here. It's good player profiling.
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                • tacomax
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 08-10-05
                  • 9619

                  #9
                  Originally posted by bobbyfk
                  did the line changes make a difference in the win/lose?
                  You gamble and you have to ask that question? Unreal.
                  Originally posted by pags11
                  SBR would never get rid of me...ever...
                  Originally posted by BuddyBear
                  I'd probably most likely chose Pags to jack off too.
                  Originally posted by curious
                  taco is not a troll, he is a bubonic plague bacteria.
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                  • Bill Dozer
                    www.twitter.com/BillDozer
                    • 07-12-05
                    • 10894

                    #10
                    Bobbyfk,
                    We can check that on SBRforum Odds History pages. You can also see where the line was through the day and what the closing line and score was.

                    Justin7 opened an account with the JM service and BetUS and checked the different linesets. He took quotes from multiple BetUS accts at the same time.
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                    • Bill Dozer
                      www.twitter.com/BillDozer
                      • 07-12-05
                      • 10894

                      #11
                      Originally posted by tacomax
                      Yes, but how many times would you be able to do it?
                      Once.
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                      • Peep
                        SBR MVP
                        • 06-23-08
                        • 2295

                        #12
                        Funny story.

                        Shit book with a shit tout. And to annoy more, they use shit shills.
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                        • tacomax
                          SBR Hall of Famer
                          • 08-10-05
                          • 9619

                          #13
                          Originally posted by tomcowley
                          I really don't see what BetUS is doing wrong here. It's good player profiling.
                          Actually, it's genius.

                          Deal bad lines => people lose money => less cashouts => less slowpays
                          Originally posted by pags11
                          SBR would never get rid of me...ever...
                          Originally posted by BuddyBear
                          I'd probably most likely chose Pags to jack off too.
                          Originally posted by curious
                          taco is not a troll, he is a bubonic plague bacteria.
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                          • Bill Dozer
                            www.twitter.com/BillDozer
                            • 07-12-05
                            • 10894

                            #14
                            Originally posted by tomcowley
                            I really don't see what BetUS is doing wrong here. It's good player profiling.
                            It's one thing to have different linesets for those likely to bet favorites or dogs but it's another to get tipped off on what they will bet ahead of time and inflate the price. These players paid for the play twice. Hopefully the experience taught them that you can't win with a system.
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                            • ijustwant2bpaid
                              Restricted User
                              • 11-11-08
                              • 3706

                              #15
                              i don't see what they did wrong, maybe unethical but they actually gave the followers an advantage that they were to dumb to see. If anyone lays at fault here it should be that bastard John Morrison who should be hung...
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                              • bobbyfk
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 01-19-09
                                • 15218

                                #16
                                Originally posted by tacomax
                                You gamble and you have to ask that question? Unreal.
                                i MEANT in the games in question
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                                • bobbyfk
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 01-19-09
                                  • 15218

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Bill Dozer
                                  Bobbyfk,
                                  We can check that on SBRforum Odds History pages. You can also see where the line was through the day and what the closing line and score was.

                                  Justin7 opened an account with the JM service and BetUS and checked the different linesets. He took quotes from multiple BetUS accts at the same time.
                                  thanks Bill
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                                  • The_Kid
                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                    • 02-09-08
                                    • 5049

                                    #18
                                    Take the other side and buy three points.
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                                    • Frank
                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                      • 10-13-07
                                      • 918

                                      #19
                                      It is exactly what they do with their delay.

                                      They move the line over 80% of the time during your delay.

                                      I once accidentally ticked the draw in soccer instead of the side I wanted. It was +200 where +250/260 was available everywhere. They automatically moved to +175 during my delay just to try to **** me more. I was lucky to get out of the bet.

                                      I literally attempt 25 bets a day at that book and am lucky to get 5 not move during my delay. Must be when the man is on the can.
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                                      • tomcowley
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 10-01-07
                                        • 1129

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Bill Dozer
                                        It's one thing to have different linesets for those likely to bet favorites or dogs but it's another to get tipped off on what they will bet ahead of time and inflate the price. These players paid for the play twice. Hopefully the experience taught them that you can't win with a system.
                                        Players are giving a referral code.. it's not a pre-tip. Also, as soon as a new acct bets one morrison play, which stands out pretty well, I would peg them for that and shade until shown differently, so they're basically getting one cheater bet even if you don't consider the referral code pre-tip legit. Paying a tout for an earlier release is good business- Morrison is just scamming on a bunch of levels- that his system can win, that betus is a good place to play it, telling them the plays early (presumably), etc.
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                                        • bmw530i
                                          Restricted User
                                          • 04-19-08
                                          • 4058

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Peep
                                          Funny story.

                                          Shit book with a shit tout. And to annoy more, they use shit shills.
                                          Sums it up nicely.
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                                          • Jaarel
                                            SBR Hustler
                                            • 03-20-09
                                            • 89

                                            #22
                                            Im curious how many of you here, have actually EVER actually tried the JM system and how many are just dumping on something you have no idea how it works????

                                            Yes unfortunately BETUS does give customers of JM a bit of a disadvantage at times. And for those that are using the system, most are now smart enough to be moving away from BETUS to other sportsbooks, and still using the JM plays.

                                            Many people may not like JM himself and thats up to personal choice, but for those who just bag out this system without having a clue as to how it works and what it is about, makes you simply ignorant.

                                            I use a variety of sports betting methods for myself and JM is just one of the ones i use. Having said that the system went 77-1 for the NBA season this year.

                                            If you have a genuine complaint with JM or the system, then please put it in perspective to the actual complaint. For those (including the moderators) who have not tried this system out, even if you just paper play it - maybe its worth paper playing first before writing off a system that may actually be a good weapon for you all in your future betting success.
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                                            • Santo
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 09-08-05
                                              • 2957

                                              #23
                                              77-1 (if true, which I don't believe it is from others who've tracked it) is still meaningless, as the 1 "loss" is not the same unit size as the 77 "wins"
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                                              • Jaarel
                                                SBR Hustler
                                                • 03-20-09
                                                • 89

                                                #24
                                                Santo, for those of us that have actually played it. Yes it is true - we have tracked it and its verified. It works on a system of bets. Im not going to go through explaining it here. There are countless posts showing how it works.

                                                The 77-1 refers to a series of bets. In other words for the NBA season this year, there were 78 eligible series in which to bet on. Out of those series 77 won and only 1 lost.

                                                In not having a go at those who dont wish to use the system or dont like it, thats ok, its personal choice. All i am saying is dont be ignorant and bag on something if you dont understand it.
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                                                • Santo
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 09-08-05
                                                  • 2957

                                                  #25
                                                  I've researched this system in the past, including some who posted plays publicly, and have seen it fail again and again. If you get in at the right time you may well have a good series of wins, but when the losses come they are significantly higher than the wins, and wipe out many successful series.

                                                  Like any progression, the math shows that in a long run it wlll not succeed. If you go to the casino and martingale roulette 100 different trips, you might well win 99 of them, but eventually a loser will arrive wiping out your bankroll.
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                                                  • AgainstAllOdds
                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                    • 02-24-08
                                                    • 6053

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Jaarel
                                                    Santo, for those of us that have actually played it. Yes it is true - we have tracked it and its verified. It works on a system of bets. Im not going to go through explaining it here. There are countless posts showing how it works.

                                                    The 77-1 refers to a series of bets. In other words for the NBA season this year, there were 78 eligible series in which to bet on. Out of those series 77 won and only 1 lost.

                                                    In not having a go at those who dont wish to use the system or dont like it, thats ok, its personal choice. All i am saying is dont be ignorant and bag on something if you dont understand it.
                                                    But the problem is that "1 loss" can lose you entire season of profit.
                                                    Originally posted by SBR_John
                                                    AAO = good dude. Buying you a drink in Vegas buddy.
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                                                    • tomcowley
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 10-01-07
                                                      • 1129

                                                      #27
                                                      The people betting it are the people who don't understand it. But that's ok, without morons to pay the bills, I couldn't make a living gambling, so by all means, chase your heart out until you go broke.
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                                                      • Jaarel
                                                        SBR Hustler
                                                        • 03-20-09
                                                        • 89

                                                        #28
                                                        Santo & AgainstAllOdds

                                                        Yes if you are being stupid with your money 1 loss could wipe you out. But for many that are playing it, we use strict money management strategies and dont bet out entire bankroll, only what we can afford to lose.

                                                        It only has an A B and C bet and thus is like a mini martingale yes, but again with good money management and discipline it can work.

                                                        I am genuinely interested in other players ways of winning at sports betting. I am trying to build my knowledge. If you guys dont like the JM style thats cool its all personal choice, but please at least enlighten me as to what types of systems or styles of play or betting that you use in order to be successful at sports betting.

                                                        To my knowledge, even getting 60% at sportsbetting is an awesome success rate. So how does everyone else do?
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                                                        • Santo
                                                          SBR MVP
                                                          • 09-08-05
                                                          • 2957

                                                          #29
                                                          54% is a success rate (in -110 sports) that most would be happy with.

                                                          I use Kelly (well, closer to 1/4 kelly) betting on a variable bank -- some of my own stuff, and some bought in stuff I won't mention.
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                                                          • Peep
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 06-23-08
                                                            • 2295

                                                            #30
                                                            Good thread. I like the 77-1 part. Now that is good picking.

                                                            "You will never go broke underestimating the public".
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                                                            • Jaarel
                                                              SBR Hustler
                                                              • 03-20-09
                                                              • 89

                                                              #31
                                                              Thanks Santo i appreciate your honesty. I have been trying to find the info on the Kelly style betting. Is there a post in the main forum?

                                                              Do you find that 54% is enough of a successful percentage to make a good income from it?
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                                                              • Peep
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 06-23-08
                                                                • 2295

                                                                #32
                                                                Hey Jaarel, aka Morrison customer.

                                                                What is his record straight up against the points? Is that what is 77-1?
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                                                                • HeeeHAWWWW
                                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                  • 06-13-08
                                                                  • 5487

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Wow, another failed scam of a system. What a surprise.
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                                                                  • Jaarel
                                                                    SBR Hustler
                                                                    • 03-20-09
                                                                    • 89

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Peep, the 77-1 is the series bets results. A series consists of 3 games. There were 78 eligible 'series' in this NBA season. And the 77-1 is the official (and tracked) results of this season.
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                                                                    • Peep
                                                                      SBR MVP
                                                                      • 06-23-08
                                                                      • 2295

                                                                      #35
                                                                      OK, thanks Jaarel.

                                                                      IF you took his bets, and treated them as individual bets (I KNOW THAT IS NOT THE SYSTEM), what would the individual record be of the bets?

                                                                      There are a number of reasons why this is an important number.
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