Would it really be a surprise if Uruguay qualified?

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  • Karayilan9
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    • 01-10-09
    • 3742

    #1
    Would it really be a surprise if Uruguay qualified?
    Holland think they are already in the final and because they beat Brazil apparently now they are a great team.

    Brazil wiped the floor with them in the first half, they didn't have a shot on target, second half Brazil scored an own goal and had a meltdown. Against Japan, they got an own goal after hardly threatening them, against Denmark they got another own goal, they were on the ropes against Cameroon and let Slovakia pick holes in their defense.

    They have won all their games, they have been organized, efficient but the reality is they haven't created much offensively and struggled against defensive teams, look at the Japan and Denmark games.

    Robben and Sneijder are world class players but the team is missing De Jong and Wiel which will be missed and don't have great replacements for them.

    They are favorites but not heavy favorites going into this game, Uruguay have their own problems but arn't out of this.
  • EaglesPhan36
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 12-06-06
    • 71662

    #2
    I agree with your assessment, but the public i.e. most of the bettors currently in the soccer forum all see one of the two favorites lose and immediately jump on the bandwagon of the team that beat them. Seems like everyone expects the Dutch to just pour in goals, but they haven't exploded all tournament really on offense. With the talent they have, they should have more goals than they have. I said it before, if Uruguay can somehow keep the match at a draw to the half, the complexion of the match is going to change in the 2nd half. Dutch will get tight. Uruguay really should be relatively loose as you say because no one expects them to even be close apparently. I think Uruguay needs one of the Diegos to be healthy enough to help along the back line. That would be huge.

    I will root for Uruguay as I am not playing a side and would love to see a public burial on this match. Draw I think is more likely than an outright Uruguay win and then extra time where anything can happen.
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    • lakerboy
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 04-02-09
      • 94379

      #3
      There campaign sounds eerily familiar to italys in 2006.

      Italy won there group in the same fashion and then got lucky to beat australia on a bogus penalty. Italy had fate smile on them by getting ukraine in the qtrs and the ukraine had every chance to score including shots of the wood work. Then italy ended up meeting the one nation they own like a cheap tent (germany ) and needed et. Of course we all know italy should have lost the final.
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      • D3 Mighty Ducks
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 12-17-09
        • 11939

        #4
        Originally posted by lakerboy
        There campaign sounds eerily familiar to italys in 2006.

        Italy won there group in the same fashion and then got lucky to beat australia on a bogus penalty. Italy had fate smile on them by getting ukraine in the qtrs and the ukraine had every chance to score including shots of the wood work. Then italy ended up meeting the one nation they own like a cheap tent (germany ) and needed et. Of course we all know italy should have lost the final.
        Not even bro, we had that game in the bag. Two words, FABIO GROSSO
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        • Jimmy0607
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 04-09-09
          • 7785

          #5
          Originally posted by D3 Mighty Ducks
          Not even bro, we had that game in the bag. Two words, FABIO GROSSO
          Fabio Grosso?
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          • CallMeGENO
            SBR Wise Guy
            • 03-14-10
            • 749

            #6
            uruguay will be tough competition but the oranje should prevail in the end
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            • D3 Mighty Ducks
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 12-17-09
              • 11939

              #7
              Originally posted by Jimmy0607
              Fabio Grosso?
              Scored the 118' minute goal against Germany and the winning penalty kick in the Finals against France. Also drew that penalty shot against Australia in the Round of 16 that Totti scored in the 90' minute.
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              • Jimmy0607
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 04-09-09
                • 7785

                #8
                I rememmber that it was a superb pass from Pirlo pure magic , but what does that or drawing the PK has to do with him saying Italy shouldve lost
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                • D3 Mighty Ducks
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 12-17-09
                  • 11939

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Jimmy0607
                  I rememmber that it was a superb pass from Pirlo pure magic , but what does that or drawing the PK has to do with him saying Italy shouldve lost
                  I don't know Anyways GL to your home land tomorrow brother, I wouldn't be surprised if Holland have their famous choke.
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                  • lakerboy
                    SBR Aristocracy
                    • 04-02-09
                    • 94379

                    #10
                    Originally posted by D3 Mighty Ducks
                    Not even bro, we had that game in the bag. Two words, FABIO GROSSO

                    nice try pal. Two words

                    sister fukker- ask zidane
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                    • ararat2010
                      SBR Sharp
                      • 12-16-09
                      • 428

                      #11
                      Holland should prove their high class in this game, Uruguay is missing Suarez and Fucile having troubles in midfield. Tough game anyway...
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                      • sportfan
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 12-22-09
                        • 10111

                        #12
                        Originally posted by D3 Mighty Ducks
                        Scored the 118' minute goal against Germany and the winning penalty kick in the Finals against France. Also drew that penalty shot against Australia in the Round of 16 that Totti scored in the 90' minute.
                        Italy 2006 was much better than Italy 2010 , thats for sure
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                        • D3 Mighty Ducks
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 12-17-09
                          • 11939

                          #13
                          Originally posted by sportfan
                          Italy 2006 was much better than Italy 2010 , thats for sure
                          Don't get me started, i'm to tired to get into it now lol.
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                          • D3 Mighty Ducks
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 12-17-09
                            • 11939

                            #14
                            Originally posted by lakerboy


                            nice try pal. Two words

                            sister fukker- ask zidane
                            How does a useless tool Materazzi get underneath a legend's skin, beats me.
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                            • Jimmy0607
                              SBR Hall of Famer
                              • 04-09-09
                              • 7785

                              #15
                              Zidane Red card had nothing to do with France losing that game
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                              • Sunde91
                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                • 11-26-09
                                • 8325

                                #16
                                No.

                                I'm having second thoughts about laying Dutchies tomorrow.

                                Uruguay hasn't given up more than one goal in a game (a whopping total of 2 all together) and it actually seems hard to believe they lose in regulation; they're tough.

                                Dutchies should still win.
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                                • lakerboy
                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                  • 04-02-09
                                  • 94379

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Jimmy0607
                                  Zidane Red card had nothing to do with France losing that game

                                  So you are saying that the french team didnt suffer mentally seeing there leader walk off the field? He would have taken one of the pk's as well and it might have been the one they missed.
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                                  • D3 Mighty Ducks
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 12-17-09
                                    • 11939

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by lakerboy


                                    So you are saying that the french team didnt suffer mentally seeing there leader walk off the field? He would have taken one of the pk's as well and it might have been the one they missed.
                                    Trezeguet was the French player who missed the PK and he was going to take 1 whether Zidane was sent off or not. I agree the French team probably suffered maybe a little seeing their leader get sent off but in the end the game was decided on a miss penalty shot so Zidane being sent off had no real effect on the outcome.
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                                    • lakerboy
                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                      • 04-02-09
                                      • 94379

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by D3 Mighty Ducks
                                      Trezeguet was the French player who missed the PK and he was going to take 1 whether Zidane was sent off or not. I agree the French team probably suffered maybe a little seeing their leader get sent off but in the end the game was decided on a miss penalty shot so Zidane being sent off had no real effect on the outcome.
                                      yes it did because it charged the italians and gave them confidence seeing zidane sent off the field and made them believe it was there destiny.
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                                      • D3 Mighty Ducks
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 12-17-09
                                        • 11939

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by lakerboy

                                        yes it did because it charged the italians and gave them confidence seeing zidane sent off the field and made them believe it was there destiny.
                                        I disagree but who cares its history now. 4 years later.
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                                        • bigdog3580
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 08-22-07
                                          • 3675

                                          #21
                                          Uruguay is no surprise if they get to the Finals and even win it.
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                                          • PeePee
                                            SBR Wise Guy
                                            • 10-08-09
                                            • 619

                                            #22
                                            Everyone please pound on Holland.... I'm waiting for that +1/1.25 by game time. Have a feeling this will be similar to Spain/Paraguay... where the lowly Para almost pulled the upset.
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                                            • sportfan
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 12-22-09
                                              • 10111

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by PeePee
                                              Everyone please pound on Holland.... I'm waiting for that +1/1.25 by game time. Have a feeling this will be similar to Spain/Paraguay... where the lowly Para almost pulled the upset.
                                              i dont think you will get uruguay +1.25 , uruguay +1 even money is good imo
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                                              • NY Playa
                                                SBR Wise Guy
                                                • 01-07-10
                                                • 774

                                                #24
                                                I love Forlan and Uraguay tomorrow, 2-1
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                                                • tachi
                                                  SBR Sharp
                                                  • 03-25-09
                                                  • 309

                                                  #25
                                                  unfortunately FIFA has interest on who will play in the final.

                                                  The ref gave a funny penalty to Ghana,so an African team to qualify.But then Argentina was still in the competition as the biggest S.American team.

                                                  Today Uruguay is the only team outside Europe and the ref will try to help them.

                                                  of course Holland can win but the odds should be higher for them.
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                                                  • EmpireMaker
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 06-18-09
                                                    • 15581

                                                    #26
                                                    Holland should win this one, just a better team, Uruguay has played well, but is slightly outclassed.
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                                                    • PeePee
                                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                                      • 10-08-09
                                                      • 619

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by EmpireMaker
                                                      Holland should win this one, just a better team, Uruguay has played well, but is slightly outclassed.

                                                      Not meant to be sarcastic, but that's everyone said when Italy/England/French were playing. This WC is nothing resemble the old ones. Most recent is Spain who almost got sent home by the heavy underdog.
                                                      Yes, Holland shoduld win based on all the injuries/talents/suspension...etc. But SHOULD and WILL is not the same as I have learned in this WC.
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                                                      • Goat Milk
                                                        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                        • 03-24-10
                                                        • 25850

                                                        #28
                                                        This Holland team is a team of Destiny. They will get through.
                                                        Cause Sleep is the Cousin of Death
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                                                        • Sportslover
                                                          Restricted User
                                                          • 06-04-09
                                                          • 860

                                                          #29
                                                          I'm going with Uruguay +0.5 and +1 +109 on this one. Player for player, Netherlands are probably better individually but they really haven't impressed me with their performances this World Cup. They are certainly not the classy attacking team that is normally associated with Dutch football. This team is solid, hard to beat and can grind out results. Uruguay has similar characteristics in that they are tough on the defensive end and don't give away many goals. I think this will be a tight, defensive, tactical battle and would not be surprised if this was 0-0 after 90 minutes.

                                                          Considering all that, I think Uruguay +0.5 and +1 +109 is the right side to be on.
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                                                          • Augustus
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 09-05-06
                                                            • 2787

                                                            #30
                                                            Netherlands -0.5 and -1 -116 @ pinnacle
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                                                            • tbill11
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 03-15-09
                                                              • 1451

                                                              #31
                                                              I've been on the Netherlands tout squad since before the Cup began, but yes, they have been slightly disappointing. This a game where playing a side isn't as clear cut as I initially thought. I did however find one bet tomorrow that I really like.

                                                              Uruguay Corners +1/2 +170
                                                              Whatever you have to say about the Dutch, they really don't play for corners. Uruguay is faster squad that will play with more desperation, and this is a great value bet.
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                                                              • Sportslover
                                                                Restricted User
                                                                • 06-04-09
                                                                • 860

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by tbill11
                                                                I've been on the Netherlands tout squad since before the Cup began, but yes, they have been slightly disappointing. This a game where playing a side isn't as clear cut as I initially thought. I did however find one bet tomorrow that I really like.

                                                                Uruguay Corners +1/2 +170
                                                                Whatever you have to say about the Dutch, they really don't play for corners. Uruguay is faster squad that will play with more desperation, and this is a great value bet.
                                                                Netherlands plays with more width though and they have wingers like Robben who take on the fullback and try to get crosses in. Therefore, the Dutch are probably more likely to get more corners than a Uruguay team who plays a narrow 4-4-2 diamond formation with Forlan pushing up to make it a narrow front 3, at times.

                                                                Good luck with your bet but I just think Netherlands are more likely to win the corner count.
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                                                                • Dark Horse
                                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                                  • 12-14-05
                                                                  • 13764

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Karayilan9
                                                                  Holland think they are already in the final and because they beat Brazil apparently now they are a great team.

                                                                  Brazil wiped the floor with them in the first half, they didn't have a shot on target, second half Brazil scored an own goal and had a meltdown. Against Japan, they got an own goal after hardly threatening them, against Denmark they got another own goal, they were on the ropes against Cameroon and let Slovakia pick holes in their defense.

                                                                  They have won all their games, they have been organized, efficient but the reality is they haven't created much offensively and struggled against defensive teams, look at the Japan and Denmark games.

                                                                  Robben and Sneijder are world class players but the team is missing De Jong and Wiel which will be missed and don't have great replacements for them.

                                                                  They are favorites but not heavy favorites going into this game, Uruguay have their own problems but arn't out of this.
                                                                  A strangely subjective -and wrong- analysis. One could just as easily say that Holland had to adjust to playing with last second replacement Ooijer in the first half against Brazil, and took care of business by totally outplaying Brazil in the second half. And they did not get an own goal. The goal was given to Sneijder. Do you think it's easy to make Brazil lose their heads?!

                                                                  Against Japan Sneijder scored the goal as well. No own goal in sight. I know you normally cap much better than this, so from whatever you were smoking here it's not surprising that you would say they were on the ropes against Cameroon and Slovakia.

                                                                  They don't really struggle that much against defensive teams. They just don't walk into the trap set by teams that sit back, but instead pass the ball around near midfield, making for a very boring game. Previous Dutch teams have not shown this kind of patience.

                                                                  VDW was already replaced once in the tournament by Boulahrouz, who did fine, and De Jong's replacement De Zeeuw (Ajax) should fit right in as well.

                                                                  The Dutch have a large following of fans in South Africa, and every African attending the game will back them as well after what happened in the Ghana game.

                                                                  Anything can happen. It's just one game. But you can rest assured that Holland fully understands the importance of this game, and will not underestimate Uruguay.
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                                                                  • lockwoot
                                                                    SBR High Roller
                                                                    • 04-20-10
                                                                    • 161

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by PeePee
                                                                    Not meant to be sarcastic, but that's everyone said when Italy/England/French were playing. This WC is nothing resemble the old ones. Most recent is Spain who almost got sent home by the heavy underdog.
                                                                    Yes, Holland shoduld win based on all the injuries/talents/suspension...etc. But SHOULD and WILL is not the same as I have learned in this WC.
                                                                    The big difference is that england, france and italy are way overrated and don't function as teams
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                                                                    • OvertimePlease
                                                                      Restricted User
                                                                      • 01-20-09
                                                                      • 409

                                                                      #35
                                                                      There's no such thing as a suprise in this stage of the WC.
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