Folks, get on Holland Now (+225 betphoenix)

[KingKolzig]

The moons are all lined up for Holland folks.

-they are on a 23 match unbeaten streak
-they play against overachievers Uruguay (a country of 3 million)
-Uruguay will be without Suarez who has 47 goals in 46 club games this year (HUGE loss)
-they will win this game 3-1

in the final they play either against a hot German side or Spain (with a rusty torres rusty). But, they get 4 days rest compared to the winner of this heavy battle who will only get 3. That full extra days rest in soccer is very very big. Likely Holland will cruise vs Uruguay and watch back at the hotel as Spain and Germany completely drain themselves. Holland will be -110 against whomever they play that game. I have them at 80% chance to move on against uruguay and 58% chance to win the final. Making +225 a huge value

[lakerboy]

The play has value no doubt as essentially you are getting holland +225 to win the final. They wont be -110 in the final though. Germany or Spain would be favored and holland would be around +125.

[DrunkHorseplayer]

Disagree that the extra day's rest is a big deal; these guys are in their 20's. Like the +225 though.

[maersksealand]

dumb bet

[forsberg21]

It's hard to go against them after they knocked out the tournament fav... Germany has clobbered two juggernauts by a combined score of 8-1 though...

[KingKolzig]

Disagree that the extra day's rest is a big deal; these guys are in their 20's. Like the +225 though.

doesnt matter if they are in their 20's, 30's or 80's the extra days rest is very huge. absolutely no doubt about it. the winner of the grueling spain/germany match will be tired in the 2nd half against Holland, for sure

[lakerboy]

doesnt matter if they are in their 20's, 30's or 80's the extra days rest is very huge. absolutely no doubt about it. the winner of the grueling spain/germany match will be tired in the 2nd half against Holland, for sure

2006 france had 1 less day of rest and lost on penalties
2002 brazil had 1 less day of rest and won easily
1998 france had 1 less day of rest and won easily
1994 both finalists had equal rest
1990 germany had 1 less day of rest and won the final
1986 both finalists had equal rest
1982 both finalists had equal rest


extra rest

1 win ( on pk's)

3 losses

[KingKolzig]

2002 Brazil was much better than Germany anyways
1998 France hosted the frigin thing
1990 German team was one of the greatest sides ever

go ask a trainer, sports psychologist, physiologist, coach, owner, or intelligent fan. extra rest means better performance. it doesnt mean the lesser team will win, but if two teams are evenly talented, which is what we have, the extra days rest is a factor

[lakerboy]

2002 Brazil was much better than Germany anyways
1998 France hosted the frigin thing
1990 German team was one of the greatest sides ever

go ask a trainer, sports psychologist, physiologist, coach, owner, or intelligent fan. extra rest means better performance. it doesnt mean the lesser team will win, but if two teams are evenly talented, which is what we have, the extra days rest is a factor

dont try to be a smartass buddy. i said your play had value based on it being a one game play because holland is in the final anyways and you wont get odds like that on them in the final. 1998 brazil team was the favorite to win and france winning was a huge upset. the 1990 german side needed a 80th minute penalty to win and needed penalties to beat england in the semis. were you even old enough or alive to see those games? the brazil side in 2002 was good but germany was missing ballack in the final and kahn bundled brazil a goal. intelligent fan. i just gave stats to show what has happened on your extra day scenario. 3 days rest is enough anyways and the extra rest wont mean anything. your reasoning is flawed but the play has value.

[wtf]

hate those cheating dutch faggots

especially that homo number 10, someone should punch his ugly face

[chrisharvard01]

I have to side with LB here, as far as value...

Instead of playing NETH to win the cup, play them to advance then roll those winnings onto the championship game and you would make quite a bit more barring any draws in regulation. No one will expect them to beat SPA they will be +money dogs.

[yisman]

I just got it at +220 at BetPhoenix. Thanks for the heads up.

I do agree that I'd rather take Holland than Spain or Germany, because they have an easier road.

How could you take Spain or Germany at 2/1 or less when they're facing a harder road? Gimme Holland with the easier road and the extra day.

[yisman]

I have to side with LB here, as far as value...

Instead of playing NETH to win the cup, play them to advance then roll those winnings onto the championship game and you would make quite a bit more barring any draws in regulation. No one will expect them to beat SPA they will be +money dogs.

Draws in regulation could very well happen, so I hardly think ML is safe.

So the question is whether betting Holland in regulation and then doing it again will have a better payoff than the outright +220.

[KingKolzig]

Draws in regulation could very well happen, so I hardly think ML is safe.

So the question is whether betting Holland in regulation and then doing it again will have a better payoff than the outright +220.

no. they are -310 "to advance" vs uruguay.

310 to make 100

in the final ppl will realize they had the extra rest, and will likely have played an easier game. so i think they will be +100, but lets say they are +115 (even though they will be on a 24 game unbeaten streak)

410 x 1.15 = 471

so 310 returned 571 profit, or +184


compared to +225 its a big difference, a rare value future

[KingKolzig]

dont try to be a smartass buddy. i said your play had value based on it being a one game play because holland is in the final anyways and you wont get odds like that on them in the final. 1998 brazil team was the favorite to win and france winning was a huge upset. the 1990 german side needed a 80th minute penalty to win and needed penalties to beat england in the semis. were you even old enough or alive to see those games? the brazil side in 2002 was good but germany was missing ballack in the final and kahn bundled brazil a goal. intelligent fan. i just gave stats to show what has happened on your extra day scenario. 3 days rest is enough anyways and the extra rest wont mean anything. your reasoning is flawed but the play has value.

such a small sample. with a bigger sample the rested team will show a much greater win percentage. to say the extra day doesnt mean anything is ridiculous. its not mlb, nba or even the nhl. its a grueling 90 minutes and every advantage means a lot. an extra days recovery is big............btw i played college soccer and ran track and when recovering from workouts between the 3rd and 4th day is big. very big...........i think the real Holland line should be +160, if spain/germany had a full extra day going into the final i would say holland real line should be +200, thats how big i think it is......thats why i made a thread about the +225

[yisman]

no. they are -310 "to advance" vs uruguay.

310 to make 100

in the final ppl will realize they had the extra rest, and will likely have played an easier game. so i think they will be +100, but lets say they are +115 (even though they will be on a 24 game unbeaten streak)

410 x 1.15 = 471

so 310 returned 571 profit, or +184


compared to +225 its a big difference, a rare value future

Yep. I didn't do the math, so I was saying that's what determines it.

I don't think they'd be higher than +130 in the final, so the future is a better bet if you like Holland, like you said.

[DrunkHorseplayer]

doesnt matter if they are in their 20's, 30's or 80's the extra days rest is very huge. absolutely no doubt about it. the winner of the grueling spain/germany match will be tired in the 2nd half against Holland, for sure

Three days of rest for athletes in their 20's is more than enough. Of course, if the coach runs the hell out of them in practice every day then that changes but I doubt that'll be the case. Fatigue will be no factor.

[KingKolzig]

Three days of rest for athletes in their 20's is more than enough. Of course, if the coach runs the hell out of them in practice every day then that changes but I doubt that'll be the case. Fatigue will be no factor.

oh ok u know about top flight soccer, this must be u then

[DrAwInGdEaD]

germany will take it all

[Fishhead]

+240 at Matchbook

Everyone should have an account with MB if they play offshore.

[MC PICKS]

Germany is gonna win the world cup.

[Jaug]

58% to win final? Oh lord.

[StraitShooter]

Im on board with the Dutch. Just now though. I had my soul bet on argentina and now I must pick up the pieces

[constrictor]

big value considering uruguay will be without suarez

[vitalogist]

Wish I had put more than one unit on my futures bet pre-cup I made - Holland 9/1

[pjesnik24]

Holland will be around 2.5 to win the finals, does not matter who their opponent is

[sportfan]

The Netherlands will not win the wc.

[yisman]

Wish I had put more than one unit on my futures bet pre-cup I made - Holland 9/1

bad price. I got them at the SBR Book (high vig itself) at 13/1.

[lakerboy]

+159 to win the cup at pinny and +295 on the ml versus spain.

[nbaprofosor]

NETHARLAND TO WIN CUP
I THING WHO EVER THING SPAIN WILL LOSE THE FINAL .THEY WATCH THE GAME WITH THEIR ASS SORY TO TELL YOU BUT THIS SPAIN WONT LOSE ...COMENN NOW..

[LT Profits]

Uruguay +417 in the third place game may have more value than either team in the Cup Final.

[KingKolzig]

NETHARLAND TO WIN CUP
I THING WHO EVER THING SPAIN WILL LOSE THE FINAL .THEY WATCH THE GAME WITH THEIR ASS SORY TO TELL YOU BUT THIS SPAIN WONT LOSE ...COMENN NOW..

naw they are only 6-0 in the world cup and havent been beaten in 25 straight games. they have no chance at all. lol

[gohabsgo]

I'll be cheering for holland but i don't think they will win. Spain is too strong...

[lakerboy]

Uruguay +417 in the third place game may have more value than either team in the Cup Final.

maybe but the germans will win third place. they are down right now and have one less day but they will make sure they come home with a spot on the podium. one of there best players wasnt even playing today. uruguay has showed a lot of heart but the line says it all.

[bigdog3580]

I am with you, Holland all the way to the end. Lets get a winner here.