Rio Ferdinand out of the World Cup?

VLR100 · 06-04-10, 12:32 PM

Expect a spitroasting/sex tape/cocaine scandal this summer.

NorwegianDude · 06-04-10, 12:38 PM

It is a blow for England, but not huge. Ledley King can do as good as Ferdinand would, maybe even better.

tailmypicks · 06-04-10, 12:52 PM

who will be the vice cappie?
lamps?

nextdurrrr63 · 06-04-10, 01:00 PM

Originally posted by NorwegianDude

It is a blow for England, but not huge. Ledley King can do as good as Ferdinand would, maybe even better.

You can't be serious

Wilforth · 06-04-10, 01:03 PM

Originally posted by NorwegianDude

It is a blow for England, but not huge. Ledley King can do as good as Ferdinand would, maybe even better.

We'll see. The issue is King is also injury prone. So you never know how many games he'll play in SA, depending on how far England goes?

NorwegianDude · 06-04-10, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by nextdurrrr63

You can't be serious

I'm very serious. Ferdinand hasn't had the best of seasons and King is a beast. You'll be surprised.

tailmypicks · 06-04-10, 01:11 PM

king is just as good on club level
but on international level even the small mexican forwards toyed with him
he is capable though

Shark79 · 06-04-10, 01:12 PM

A lot of good players either scared or seriously injured.

JOHON8 · 06-04-10, 01:26 PM

Captain like player / best defender they had, it's a loss but it shouldn't be a big problem in the group stages.

fisel · 06-04-10, 01:30 PM

Rio is one of the best defenders in the world. It is a blow since he is better than his replacement and he's also England captain, but looking at his club and international form since the start of last season I'd say it's not much of a loss.

Goat Milk · 06-04-10, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by JOHON8

Captain like player / best defender they had, it's a loss but it shouldn't be a big problem in the group stages.

Better defender than Terry?

Karayilan9 · 06-04-10, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by Goat Milk

Better defender than Terry?

Much better, Terry is not a world class defender, he is good but nothing special. Mourinho got the best out of him and found his best position, his teams are rarely counter attacked so Terry rarely had to chase back. When Mourinho left Terry's weaknesses were out in the open, he lacks pace, isn't the best reader of the game and can be clumsy. Ferdinand is an all round better defender and so are alot of the other England players. However, Terry is a good leader, well was before he fuked everyones wife

Goat Milk · 06-04-10, 02:49 PM

Originally posted by Karayilan9

Much better, Terry is not a world class defender, he is good but nothing special. Mourinho got the best out of him and found his best position, his teams are rarely counter attacked so Terry rarely had to chase back. When Mourinho left Terry's weaknesses were out in the open, he lacks pace, isn't the best reader of the game and can be clumsy. Ferdinand is an all round better defender and so are alot of the other England players. However, Terry is a good leader, well was before he fuked everyones wife

I agree with the majority of this except the bolded part.

NorwegianDude · 06-04-10, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by Karayilan9

Much better, Terry is not a world class defender, he is good but nothing special. Mourinho got the best out of him and found his best position, his teams are rarely counter attacked so Terry rarely had to chase back. When Mourinho left Terry's weaknesses were out in the open, he lacks pace, isn't the best reader of the game and can be clumsy. Ferdinand is an all round better defender and so are alot of the other England players. However, Terry is a good leader, well was before he fuked everyones wife

That's BS, sorry... I follow the Premier League every week and Terry is indeed a world class defender. Yes he lacks pace, but that is his only big weakness. He reads the game excellent, he tackles good, he is strong and he is a good header. Chelsea conceded 32 goals in 38 matches in the EPL this season, even though they missed Essien for most of the season and their left and right backs had A LOT of offensive responsibility. Think about that.

jscar3 · 06-04-10, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by lakerboy

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-c...cc=5901&ver=us

Not good for England backers or fans. The guy is always injured. How big of an impact will this be?

too bad for england. defence with Rio is no defence for them. Another team about to bite the dust.

tailmypicks · 06-04-10, 03:11 PM

if he is not the best reader of the game why hasnt his much talked lack of pace been exploited more over the years? he is slow but imo he smells the danger better than most.......and he rarely misses a defensive header and plays all season long. King and rio maybe more natural defenders but JT is a better defender who can be relied on for the whole season.

Dark Horse · 06-04-10, 03:16 PM

Vastly overrated team. Now they have another excuse to explain their early exit.

ClydeFontaine · 06-04-10, 03:36 PM

Harsh blow for England. They will miss his leadership more than his play imo.

w3coyote · 06-04-10, 03:45 PM

Originally posted by Dark Horse

Vastly overrated team. Now they have another excuse to explain their early exit.

Hate to say it, but You are probably right.

the tipster · 06-04-10, 03:46 PM

with king's dodgy knee, imagine dawson and JT against spain/ brazil

Karayilan9 · 06-04-10, 03:47 PM

Originally posted by NorwegianDude

That's BS, sorry... I follow the Premier League every week and Terry is indeed a world class defender. Yes he lacks pace, but that is his only big weakness. He reads the game excellent, he tackles good, he is strong and he is a good header. Chelsea conceded 32 goals in 38 matches in the EPL this season, even though they missed Essien for most of the season and their left and right backs had A LOT of offensive responsibility. Think about that.

Pace is not his only weakness, his positioning isn't the best and he is clumsy on the ball. Chelsea conceded 32 which was a huge increase compared to the Mourinho era, in his first season they only conceded 15, in his reign at Chelsea the team never conceded more than 26 goals per season. Now that Chelsea play a new style their Terry has been exposed and can be very vulnerable.

He is a good defender but overrated these days, he is at his best when the team is sitting back but when playing a high line against the top strikers he is vulnerable.

NorwegianDude · 06-04-10, 04:00 PM

If you are going to compare with the Mourinho era, you have got to compare number of goals scored aswell, because that shows how much more Ancelotti focuses on offence. In Mourinhos first season Chelsea scored 72, this season with Ancelotti they scored 103. Under Mourinhos leadership they often pulled back when leading with only one goal, now they attack and attack especially with their left and right backs which obviously makes Terry more vulnerable, but that would also happen to ANY other defender in the WORLD. Terry is world class.

Jimmy0607 · 06-04-10, 04:07 PM

I totally agree with Kari

BetfairUser · 06-04-10, 04:17 PM

imo rio is one of the most overrated defenders around, he brings the ball out of defence well, but he makes a massive amount of mistakes for someone who's rated as highly as he is. anyway, we've got carra

Chuck74 · 06-04-10, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by NorwegianDude

I'm very serious. Ferdinand hasn't had the best of seasons and King is a beast. You'll be surprised.

I AGREE

Karayilan9 · 06-04-10, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by NorwegianDude

If you are going to compare with the Mourinho era, you have got to compare number of goals scored aswell, because that shows how much more Ancelotti focuses on offence. In Mourinhos first season Chelsea scored 72, this season with Ancelotti they scored 103. Under Mourinhos leadership they often pulled back when leading with only one goal, now they attack and attack especially with their left and right backs which obviously makes Terry more vulnerable, but that would also happen to ANY other defender in the WORLD. Terry is world class.

Barcelona's style makes Chelsea look like they are parking the bus, how many goals did Barca concede? only 24. Just because a team plays fast flowing, attacking football doesn't make them a defensive liability, this is just a stereotype.

Terry was made to look like a world class player under Mourinho's system, he is one of the best managers at getting the best out of the players. Mourinho's teams rarely get counter attacked, they defend very well and counter very fast. Terry didn't have to get forward or push up much and was where he was most comfortable under this system. However, without Mourinho, under a different system he is much more vulnerable and his weaknesses have been exposed.

Lets see how he does in the world cup.

Dark Horse · 06-04-10, 04:43 PM

England is always overrated. This is covered in the excellent book Soccernomics. They invariably play like loose sand. A main reason is that the players just aren't that smart. England has a very dominant working class approach to soccer. You need brains to make it all gel, as a team, and England lacks them. Basically, you can expect a middle of the road Premiership team to show up here.

Strong countries come to the World Cup and already know how they're going to play. Brazil, Holland, Argentina, Germany, Italy, and more recently Spain, all have a clear philosophy. England is not on that level. They're always caught in the process of figuring out how to play as a team during a big tournament. England is a standard fade for me; tournament after tournament. Because the English always think they have a real chance to win the World Cup and bet up the price. I was aware of this well before it was described in Soccernomics, but had to grin when the book mentioned that, as part of the repeating cycle, the English public reacts in astonishment when the team fails to win it all.

NorwegianDude · 06-04-10, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by Karayilan9

Barcelona's style makes Chelsea look like they are parking the bus, how many goals did Barca concede? only 24. Just because a team plays fast flowing, attacking football doesn't make them a defensive liability, this is just a stereotype.

Terry was made to look like a world class player under Mourinho's system, he is one of the best managers at getting the best out of the players. Mourinho's teams rarely get counter attacked, they defend very well and counter very fast. Terry didn't have to get forward or push up much and was where he was most comfortable under this system. However, without Mourinho, under a different system he is much more vulnerable and his weaknesses have been exposed.

Lets see how he does in the world cup.

I disagree. Chelsea actually scored 5 more than Barcelona this year and conceded 8 more, so the difference is very small. And then you have the fact (in my opinion) that Premier League is a league of higher level than the La Liga, which makes it easier to play the Barcelona style of football without being punished, but that is a whole new discussion.

I don't think we will agree on this anyway, so it's probably best to stop the discussion

We'll see under the World Cup, but even if he fails there he is a world class defender in my eyes. He has been the most important defensive player in Chelsea for many years now and Chelsea has been one of the best clubs defensively in the world also for a long time. There is no doubt in my mind, but I respect that you and others have another opinion.

Karayilan9 · 06-04-10, 06:23 PM

Originally posted by NorwegianDude

I disagree. Chelsea actually scored 5 more than Barcelona this year and conceded 8 more, so the difference is very small. And then you have the fact (in my opinion) that Premier League is a league of higher level than the La Liga, which makes it easier to play the Barcelona style of football without being punished, but that is a whole new discussion.

I don't think we will agree on this anyway, so it's probably best to stop the discussion

We'll see under the World Cup, but even if he fails there he is a world class defender in my eyes. He has been the most important defensive player in Chelsea for many years now and Chelsea has been one of the best clubs defensively in the world also for a long time. There is no doubt in my mind, but I respect that you and others have another opinion.

The Premier League and La Liga are of a similar standard.

Barcelona concede less goals because they have a great defense which is really underrated, just like Spain and Brazils defenses are. There is a stereotype that if you attack your vulnerable at the back. Teams that play like this need world class defenders and they have them.

Chelsea under Mourinho was one of the best defensive clubs in the world but without him they aren't, look at how Mourinho's Inter carved up the Chelsea defense this season. Chelseas defense came under quite alot of criticism this season.

Terry is a good defender but not as good as is made out in my opinion, we will see in the world cup, I hope he proves me wrong.

There is no doubt in my mind, but I respect that you and others have another opinion.

TurkzZ · 06-04-10, 06:33 PM

Terry is good if defending deep, he would be the perfect guy to have, however under Fabio Capello England have pushed further up the pitch and now operate more offensively, despite the impressive qualifying campaign , i don't think the tactic plays to England's strengths and they dont have the best defensive record under Capello.

Rio's experience will be missed, Leadly King is a good player but untested in the European and world stage, also he has injury concerns of his own and didn't look to sharp vs Mexico. Dawson another player who had a good club season, but again untested in such conditions, as for Carragher this has to be one of his poorer seasons, he seems to have lost the pace of the old, and Upson,,, not sure why he was selected over dawson in the 1st place, not a 1st rate defender in my books, so yes Rio will be missed.

Chuck74 · 06-04-10, 07:08 PM

that s too bad, a lot of good players wont be playing this world cup

, I was reading that probably Drogba wont be playing either

squintz4 · 06-04-10, 07:57 PM

King will come in and open a lot of eyes. Ferdinand hasnt played well this season. England will definitely miss his leadership but will be better off on the field. Captain Fantastic, Gerrard, will now captain the squad. They are a stronger side losing Ferdinand, hate to say it.

blackf1re · 06-04-10, 08:13 PM

Ledley King is a better CB anyway. Infact he's England's best defender for me.

Rio has become a perma-crock and hasn't played that many games in the last 2 years. Him not going to the WC is unfortunate but hardly a massive blow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjxmyjLp9tg

lakerboy · 06-04-10, 11:04 PM

Funy how everyone thinks that Ledley King will be the answer. The guy cant even practice for fukks sakes. This injury is huge for a team that is overrated to begin with .