A question for 9/11 Conspiracy theory believers..

[darrell74]

Well, get it right
you might have a positive contribution
and I don't want to see you phuck it up
the forum wants you to add some cool shi+

[Cap dat 4ss]

that video about the building collapse suffers from a fundamental logical fallacy as most all of this stuff does. the video is drawing a conclusion from evidence that does not necessary lead to that conclusion. just because a building falls the same way as building that have been demolished does not mean that the building has also been demolished. i could do the same thing by showing a bunch of videos of manny's home run swing where he hits a homerun then show you one where he makes the same home run swing so you have to conclude the ball also went for a home run but that is illogical. it was caught at the warning track. more logical fallacies would be say well the government withheld the audio from the new tapes so the tapes must show "insert conspiracy here", when in reality they could have done so for any number of reason.

Still waiting for one of the conspiracy theorists to address this post.

Nice post Antifoil.

[onetrickpony]

too many things dont add and when that many things dont add and u see whos profiting most from thetowers falling down then u have to question the commissions story

[Dark Horse]

A lot has been talked about 9/11 lately with the whole death of Bin Laden, and was he behind 9/11 and all that.

I know there are plenty of people out there who believe 9/11 was an inside job by the government (I am not one of them)

I am not posting this thread to get in a huge debate whether or not it was or was not an inside job.

My question is this though....to the people that really believe 9/11 was an inside job (which is fine, everyone is entitled to their own opinion)...if you firmly believe the government caused this, and is capable of something like this, how can you possibly still live in this country? If you believe the government is capable of such carnage and the killing of innocent people, how can you possibly still be a US citizen and have not moved out of the country yet?

A minority of extremists does not define America. Although that can be hard to remember, at times, when you see all the changes in this country since 9/11. America is governed by corporate fascists. But in the end, I don't believe they will win.

[rsnnh12]

too many things dont add and when that many things dont add and u see whos profiting most from thetowers falling down then u have to question the commissions story

Who is profiting?

[COYLO]

Who is profiting?

the guy who owned the twin towers + building 7, it was funny that he took out extra insurance against acts of terrorism in the months leading up to 9/11. and claimed twice on the insurance, once for each building even tho it was one attack.

[Cap dat 4ss]

Haha. So he was in the know as well? Not just politicians but cia, FBI and now even building owners knew. Everyone was in on it. Sometimes I just shake my head in disbelief.

[rsnnh12]

the guy who owned the twin towers + building 7, it was funny that he took out extra insurance against acts of terrorism in the months leading up to 9/11. and claimed twice on the insurance, once for each building even tho it was one attack.

He took that insurance because he didn't acquire the buildings til then... its not like he all of a sudden added that to his policy on buildings he owned forever.

Also, he's using the insurance money to rebuild on the site. So how did he "profit"?

[onetrickpony]

Who is profiting?

the fukers in iraq and aghanistan are profiting

who do u think profits when usa goes to war genius?

[rsnnh12]

the fukers in iraq and aghanistan are profiting

who do u think profits when usa goes to war genius?

So every contracted company was behind 9/11? Gotcha

Funny how those same companies could pull off 9/11, but couldn't plant some chemical/biological weapons in Iraq, which would have justified the entire invasion and guaranteed these companies big money for a long, long time

[inflames]

There's a dog buried in the 9/11 attacks...!!!!!!

[onetrickpony]

So every contracted company was behind 9/11? Gotcha Funny how those same companies could pull off 9/11, but couldn't plant some chemical/biological weapons in Iraq, which would have justified the entire invasion and guaranteed these companies big money for a long, long time

bro ur brainwashed, the govt breast feeds u and u eat it all up

i never said those companies were behind it,why are u putting words in my mouth, i said look who profits from war

its funny how u defend these ppl and ur living paycheck to paycheck while their future grandkids are set for life

[rsnnh12]

bro ur brainwashed, the govt breast feeds u and u eat it all up

i never said those companies were behind it,why are u putting words in my mouth, i said look who profits from war

its funny how u defend these ppl and ur living paycheck to paycheck while their future grandkids are set for life

Who profits than, if not the companies? Its funny how you can't answer that.

Its also funny how you assume I believe everything the govt says... talk about putting words in someones mouth. I'm just not stupid enough to think the govt was behind 9/11, it appears you can't say the same.

Not living paycheck to paycheck either, thanks for the concern though

[onetrickpony]

Who profits than, if not the companies? Its funny how you can't answer that. Its also funny how you assume I believe everything the govt says... talk about putting words in someones mouth. I'm just not stupid enough to think the govt was behind 9/11, it appears you can't say the same. Not living paycheck to paycheck either, thanks for the concern though

im not gonna list all the companies over there that profit from the weapons, ammunition, manpower,fuel costs, opium plants, and most importantly natural resources. u understand now who profits now from what products? i cant spell this out anymore than this

companies profit, are u following this, if u dont understand this then stop cause u keep twisting up my words.

[rsnnh12]

im not gonna list all the companies over there that profit from the weapons, ammunition, manpower,fuel costs, opium plants, and most importantly natural resources. u understand now who profits now from what products? i cant spell this out anymore than this

companies profit, are u following this, if u dont understand this then stop cause u keep twisting up my words.

Exactly, companies profit, that's exactly what I said... this was your post-

"too many things dont add and when that many things dont add and u see whos profiting most from thetowers falling down then u have to question the commissions story"

That's implying that the people profiting were behind it, no? I'm not sure what else that was supposed to mean

[Grandmaster B]

these videos are something to ponder when you have nothing else to do

[onetrickpony]

Exactly, companies profit, that's exactly what I said... this was your post- "too many things dont add and when that many things dont add and u see whos profiting most from thetowers falling down then u have to question the commissions story" That's implying that the people profiting were behind it, no? I'm not sure what else that was supposed to mean

the 9/11 commission was responsible for releasing what went down that day

i was saying things in the official report dont add up, lots of things and some outside of it including the inside trading days before the attack.

[Vrakas]

just drop a few nukes in afganistan otherwise it will never end.

[pronk]

Well, get it right
you might have a positive contribution
and I don't want to see you phuck it up
the forum wants you to add some cool shi+

It's fixed now and for our hispanic speaking senors and senoritas watch this one

[rsnnh12]

the 9/11 commission was responsible for releasing what went down that day

i was saying things in the official report dont add up, lots of things and some outside of it including the inside trading days before the attack.

I guess I'm missing your point?

[onetrickpony]

I guess I'm missing your point?

what evs man, this back and forth aint gonna change shit

[Kaladarus]

Seems like there's always conspiracies going on that people can pretty much prove. The government should work the same as any business should work. They should prove that the conspiracies are false instead of ignoring evidence that shows otherwise. It should be fairly simple for some people working in government with all the footage and information needed to prove all conspiracies false. For some reason this is not the case though.

[losturmarbles]

that video about the building collapse suffers from a fundamental logical fallacy as most all of this stuff does. the video is drawing a conclusion from evidence that does not necessary lead to that conclusion. just because a building falls the same way as building that have been demolished does not mean that the building has also been demolished.

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Yes, it does. WTC7 collapsed in 6.5-7 seconds. The first 3-3.5 seconds, the tower fell at FREE FALL, the same rate a bowling ball would've fell if you dropped it out the window. The last 3-3.5 seconds were almost free fall, slightly slower. IT'S PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A BUILDING TO COLLAPSE AT FREE FALL SPEED WITHOUT USING DEMOLITIONS.

free fall
 –noun
1. the hypothetical fall of a body such that the only force acting upon it is that of gravity.

If there is an opposing force below (resistance) then it has to be removed for the floor above to descend at free fall speed. The only way to remove the resistance in a steel frame building is to cut all the support columns in a synchronized timed event, allowing the floors above it to fall without resistance. The only way that is possible is through demolitions.

Fires are not going to behave in a synchronized manner. Fires from diesel fuel and office material will not cut steel, will not melt steel, will not weaken steel to the point of failure. Natural fires act chaotic and random, not organized and choreographed. Steel frame buildings don't collapse symmetrically into their own footprint without demolitions.

More evidence of demolitions being used:
Pyroclastic Flows
Several NYPD officers and Con-Edison workers overheard Larry Silverstein on the phone with his insurance carrier to see if they would authorize the controlled demolition of the WTC7.
Silverstein admitted he gave the order to "pull it" on PBS documentary
Explosions blew out the bottom floors earlier in the day.
Surface temp of the rubble on Sept 16 was 1341 F

[pronk]

Excellent reply marbles!

[hardball]

Yes, it does. WTC7 collapsed in 6.5-7 seconds. The first 3-3.5 seconds, the tower fell at FREE FALL, the same rate a bowling ball would've fell if you dropped it out the window. The last 3-3.5 seconds were almost free fall, slightly slower. IT'S PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A BUILDING TO FALL AT FREE FALL SPEED WITHOUT USING DEMOLITIONS.

free fall
 –noun
1. the hypothetical fall of a body such that the only force acting upon it is that of gravity.

If there is an opposing force below (resistance) then it has to be removed for the floor above to descend at free fall speed. The only way to remove the resistance in a steel frame building is to cut all the support columns in a synchronized timed event, allowing the floors above it to fall without resistance. The only way that is possible is through demolitions.

Fires are not going to behave in a synchronized manner. Fires from diesel fuel and office material will not cut steel, will not melt steel, will not weaken steel to the point of failure. Natural fires act chaotic and random, not organized and choreographed. Steel frame buildings don't collapse symmetrically into their own footprint without demolitions.

More evidence of demolitions being used:
Pyroclastic Flows
Several NYPD officers and Con-Edison workers overheard Larry Silverstein on the phone with his insurance carrier to see if they would authorize the controlled demolition of the WTC7.
Silverstein admitted he gave the order to "pull it" on PBS documentary
Explosions blew out the bottom floors earlier in the day.
Surface temp of the rubble on Sept 16 was 1341 F

...... Never mind the 10 story gash the building received on the south side. Along with the lack of of massive amounts of demolition/explosive equipment needed never spotted by my brother who worked there 1999-Sept 2001 for Hartford Insurance or ANY other building employee.....

Winning! It's for nuts like you....

[nyplayer33]

We are def lied to alot..I worked in gov't myself...some stuff was unreal

[losturmarbles]

...... Never mind the 10 story gash the building received on the south side. Along with the lack of of massive amounts of demolition/explosive equipment needed never spotted by my brother who worked there 1999-Sept 2001 for Hartford Insurance or ANY other building employee.....

Winning! It's for nuts like you....

Never mind that simple physics tell you if a "10 story gash ... on the south side" was the cause of structural failure that the 47 floor skyscraper would've fell over (toward the south) instead of uniformly and smoothly straight down into it's own footprint.

Never mind the fact that it showed no signs of collapsing after sustaining debris damage from the demolition of WTC1 and continued to stand for 7 hours.

Never mind the fact that explosions occurred in WTC7 before it ever sustained any debris damage.

Never mind the fact that molten steel was later found in the rubble.

Open your eyes dude

[windwind]

question for you, if this is a inside job, can those people represent the whole govt? cuz the govt has about 22 mil employees,(over 7% of the us population) do they all have a hand in this?
or should we just get the fuk outa here just bcuz a very small group of ppl decided to blew up the twin towers so we are scared of the rest of the 22mil?
2 nypd officers accused of rape so there shouldnt be any women left in new york? they should all just run?

[CanuckG]

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[BernardMadoff]

There was no stand down. It just isn't as easy to scramble fighters and get them to a specific target as quickly as people think it is. No one even considered commerical planes being used as weapons, and no Air Force would ever attack us, so scrambling our fighters was only planned for when commerical/private planes encountered mechanical problems/bad weather/etc

Actually it is easier than you think to assemble fighter jets quickly when a plane is off course and unresponsive.

[BernardMadoff]

A lot has been talked about 9/11 lately with the whole death of Bin Laden, and was he behind 9/11 and all that.

I know there are plenty of people out there who believe 9/11 was an inside job by the government (I am not one of them)

I am not posting this thread to get in a huge debate whether or not it was or was not an inside job.

My question is this though....to the people that really believe 9/11 was an inside job (which is fine, everyone is entitled to their own opinion)...if you firmly believe the government caused this, and is capable of something like this, how can you possibly still live in this country? If you believe the government is capable of such carnage and the killing of innocent people, how can you possibly still be a US citizen and have not moved out of the country yet?

So your question is if a person thinks that particular way why would they still live in America? So are you saying if you believed that way there is no way you would still live in America? Do you still live in America? If so you must not know your past history and what the government has done.

[windwind]

Actually it is easier than you think to assemble fighter jets quickly when a plane is off course and unresponsive.

how easy? a fighter jet needs to refuel, warm up the engine and tons of things to check b4 it can take off

[BernardMadoff]

how easy? a fighter jet needs to refuel, warm up the engine and tons of things to check b4 it can take off

A guy about 3 years ago was on a single engine plane and radioed in a phony call for help and they were there to the rescue in not much time. Two of them.

[drfunkmaster]

Haliburton and dick cheny profited.... over 2 trillion dollars was spent on this BS war to go find one man...

Read this...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-12/bin-laden-s-death-won-t-end-toll-on-taxpayers.html

Sucks to be an american tax-payer..

[windwind]

A guy about 3 years ago was on a single engine plane and radioed in a phony call for help and they were there to the rescue in not much time. Two of them.

i m guessin the fighter jets was already in the air when the guys radiod in, it isnt easy to get them off ground.