POLL: Which of these is MOST likely real/true?

[nyjets15]

gotta be the aliens....right?

[FourLengthsClear]

I wish i had the time to break down each of the silly assumptions you just made...

we'll start with: The nearest star that has a planet (or moon) which has any hope of sustaining intelligent life is 21 light years away

lets assume we can figure out the surface of every celestial body in a 21 light year radius (which i doubt)... The idea that all intelligent life breaths oxygen and needs a sun and needs [insert more scientist bable] is a bit self centered in regards to the earth population and EVERYONE ELSE.

I'll believe what scientist say... when we can successfully create mummies and successfully build an insane amount of pyramids using 2000 year old technology...

The earth... and its technology is not as advanced as you might want to think... AND while we are at it... there is no way we could measure how we measure up on the technology scale of other life in the universe (if it exists)

I hear they are working on an improbability drive though... that will allow a vessel to travel across all points of the universe in a single moment... when the earth has that...then i will call us advanced...

WE are so advanced, but cant get to the moon (*again* depending on who you ask)

Can i ask a question... what state are you from?

I am from the UK.

The simple truth is that few stars have any planets at all. The nearest one to us is around 15 light years away. This star (Gilese 876) is the 51st closest star from Earth.

I am not quite sure quite what it is you are trying to say, my response was to stealthy and my central point was that our technology is not, and will not be, advanced enough to discover/prove the existence of inteligent life in our lifetime.

[Robber]

psychics. people who think us govt is behind 9.11 are not all there upstairs

spacecraft and ghosts, i dunno. cant prove they didnt. unlikely though. cant believe there are 10 votes for 9.11 and none for astrology which is more supportable. tells you a lot about the people here.

[freeVICK]

if you watch the videos on the 911 conspiracy, how do you explain the huge/abnormal amounts of insider trading on airline and insurance companies just before the attacks?

[Robber]

all that would say is that someone mightve known something beforehand not that the government blew up their own buildings

the cia did have some evidence. we know that. the cia didnt blow up the wtc though

[Maverick22]

I am not quite sure quite what it is you are trying to say, my response was to stealthy and my central point was that our technology is not, and will not be, advanced enough to discover/prove the existence of inteligent life in our lifetime.

You assume that since earth technology is so old... that any non earth being's technology would not be either. You are making lots of assumptions...

Lets say this: you are some hyper intelligent hyper dimensional being. You can traverse the universe with ease... then you have 'earth'. what value is it to you, to come down and visit a planet that cant even land on its own moon?

[FourLengthsClear]

You assume that since earth technology is so old... that any non earth being's technology would not be either. You are making lots of assumptions...

Lets say this: you are some hyper intelligent hyper dimensional being. You can traverse the universe with ease... then you have 'earth'. what value is it to you, to come down and visit a planet that cant even land on its own moon?

You say I am making lots of assumptions and come out with this?

Can you give me any reason to believe that matter can traverse, or exist simaltaneously, in the spacial dimensions that we can preceive as well as those that we cannot? Entropy (and by extension the second law of theromodynamics) dictates that this is not possible.

[Snowball]

The U.S. Government being responsible for 911 is a misnomer..
because it's most likely that certain traitorous elements operating within the Gov.
and indeed within a foreign Gov (Israel) did 911, it would not be the same as the Gov
itself.. for instance I don't believe that Bush would do 911 at all, or sanction it.

so I took Ghosts, although Psychics are just as likely.
Aliens ? no. not as in physical beings from another planet, at least.

see this thread

http://forum.sbrforum.com/politics-economics/949170-israelis-immune-9-11-litigation-patriot-act.html

[JohnGalt2341]

Big Foot and Lockness Monster coulda been on the list too.

Definitely... I actually chose most of the list from a show about Skepticism that I had recently watched. I took out a couple from the show and added a couple of my own.

[losturmarbles]

The U.S. Government is responsible for 9/11. I picked it even though it's a fallacious proposition.

If I worked for Burger King and some co-workers and I vandalized the McDonald's next door, would Burger King be "responsible" for the actions?

From Paul Joseph Watson at infowars.com:

Every single shred of evidence concerning the alleged 9/11 hijackers points to the fact that they were patsies controlled by informants working for the US government.
The US Special Operations Command’s Able Danger program identified the hijackers and their accomplices long before 9/11, but when the head of the program, Colonel Anthony Shaffer, tried to pass the information on to the 9/11 Commission, he was gagged and slandered and the vital information his team had passed on was ignored and buried.
Curt Weldon, Former U.S. Republican Congressman and senior member of the House Armed Services Committee, documented how the US government tracked the hijackers’ movements before 9/11.
Louai al-Sakka, the man who trained six of the hijackers, was a CIA informant. A number of the other alleged hijackers were trained at US air bases. In the months prior to 9/11, alleged hijackers Khalid Almidhar and Nawaf Alhazmi were renting rooms in a house owned and lived in by an FBI informant.
In a 2002 article entitled The Hijackers We Let Escape, Newsweek’s Michael Isikoff and Daniel Klaidman documented how, “The CIA tracked two suspected terrorists to a Qaeda summit in Malaysia in January 2000, then looked on as they re-entered America and began preparations for September 11.”
The fact that there were numerous Al-Qaeda affiliated terrorists involved in the pre-planning stages of 9/11 is unsurprising given former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds’ testimony that Bin Laden was working for the US right up until the day of 9/11.
On the very morning of 9/11, the money man behind the alleged hijackers, Pakistan’s ISI Chief Mahmoud Ahmad, was meeting with U.S. government and intelligence officials.
Indeed, even after 9/11, the so-called spiritual leader of the very hijackers who allegedly slammed Flight 77 into the Pentagon, Anwar al-Awlaki, was himself invited to dine with Pentagon top brass mere months after the attack.

[Conan]

None of the above. Aliens certainly exist but the distances between stars is utterly vast and it highly unlikely that any other civilsation has developed the knowledge to cover them.

that wold be based on the theory that there civ developed at a time coinsiding with ours but they could have diveloped tens of thousends of years before its a real weird question of the crazy unlikley circumstances requierd for life as we know it and even more for that life to divelop into an advanced civ mirrored by the vast amout of "trials" that would happen on evry planet in evry solar system in evry galexy likeyhood of advanced life with spase traviling ability 1 in 10 billion?? number of stars in the milky way only one of many galaxies 200 billion

[FourLengthsClear]

that wold be based on the theory that there civ developed at a time coinsiding with ours but they could have diveloped tens of thousends of years before its a real weird question of the crazy unlikley circumstances requierd for life as we know it and even more for that life to divelop into an advanced civ mirrored by the vast amout of "trials" that would happen on evry planet in evry solar system in evry galexy likeyhood of advanced life with spase traviling ability 1 in 10 billion?? number of stars in the milky way only one of many galaxies 200 billion

The lack of any electromagnetic waves that would point to communications is a big hole in that argument/theory.
Yes approx 200 billion stars in the Milky Way but that is a range of 100,000 light years.

[Conan]

The lack of any electromagnetic waves that would point to communications is a big hole in that argument/theory. Yes approx 200 billion stars in the Milky Way but that is a range of 100,000 light years.

your still operating under the theory we can even comprehend the tech another life form. if we were looking for other humans we could look for electromagnetic waves to find evedence of comunication but a alien life form might be completely diffrent and based on somthing we have no knowlage of.

[FourLengthsClear]

your still operating under the theory we can even comprehend the tech another life form. if we were looking for other humans we could look for electromagnetic waves to find evedence of comunication but a alien life form might be completely diffrent and based on somthing we have no knowlage of.

No, I am not. I am open to the idea that a highly advanced civilisiation somewhere could have gone way beyond anything we can even theorise both in terms of technology and understanding of the universe.

I am merely pointing out that the lack of em having been detected (which would indicate relatively advanced lifeforms) in our little corner of our fairly average spiral galaxy would suggest that instances of inteligent life having evolved is quite rare.

Given that and the fact that universal inflation means that most other galaxies are moving away from us at a rate close to the speed of light, the probability of a highly advanced life-form having the ability to have visited Earth is very low.

We could go down the road of debating FTL travel, m-strings, wormholes, dimensional folds or any other not yet theorised concepts that would render our observations meaningless. Again though, even acknowledging that any or all of these are possible it still leaves us in a position of there being no evidence and as such no basis for answering "Alien spacecraft has visited Earth" to the OP's original question.

[Conan]

http://www.history.com/shows/ancient...ancient-aliens some evidence not to say i completely beleve but there is some evidence that life other than our own has viseted this planet and if they do have sutch tech then they possibly can be A) too far away for us to detect there em B) dont use em in there comunications

[FourLengthsClear]

http://www.history.com/shows/ancient...ancient-aliens some evidence not to say i completely beleve but there is some evidence that life other than our own has viseted this planet and if they do have sutch tech then they possibly can be A) too far away for us to detect there em B) dont use em in there comunications

I don't find that particular evidence to be especially convincing, I am nonetheless happy to acknowledge the possibility that it has happened. IMHO however the likelihood is incredibly small. You are perfectly entitled to hold a different view.

[JohnGalt2341]

I guess there aren't any gamblers that use the stars to make their picks.

[dinaro7]

you dumbasses that believe that we did 911 also think charlie sheen is right

[losturmarbles]

you dumbasses that believe that we did 911 also think charlie sheen is right

Who did 911?

[JMobile]

Wouldn't Aliens and US Government go together??

[shock11]

all are bullshit except maybe reincarnation and aliens

[stig99]

aliens!!

[kiefynugs]

Guess what jet liner fuel cant melt steel I beams

inside job

[daimoshokage]

aliens!!

they are not true.. in movies they are..

[Vrakas]

i can tell only one thing.the earth is round

[Dutch]

none of the above.

[yisman]

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[juuso]

I would have to go with none of the above. These are all either impossible or extreme long shots.

[MoneyM1ke]

All the people who say Bush was directly behind 9/11 are nuts, but to all of you geniuses who think that your own government wouldn't attack its own citizens need to take a look through out history, 9/11 wasn't the 1st time its happened and certainly not the last. All they need to do is release a few videos of what really hit the pentagon, wouldn't hide anything if there was nothing to hide

[Robber]

lol at this thread

[The Inevitable]

All of the above... I believe in all that shit.

[EmpireMaker]

if you watch the videos on the 911 conspiracy, how do you explain the huge/abnormal amounts of insider trading on airline and insurance companies just before the attacks?

The Muslims bought all kinds of derivatives on the occurance and trends players in the US followed the abnormal activity making it even more pronounced.

[Full Time Hobo]

I went with the Aliens.
Hard to believe some of the things on earth that were created with the technology at the time....

[tatommack]

I really hope the govn wasn't behind 9/11

[JMobile]

I really hope the govn wasn't behind 9/11

I'm sure the Government is hiding other things they don't want the public to know about.