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  • pronk
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    • 11-22-08
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    #771
    Originally posted by BigDofBA
    You're right. These people don't do well with logic and reason. I'm wasting my time.

    It is hilarious how mad these people get when you try to reason with them though. Lol
    Donkey's logic is far more superior to yours. Go troll some porn threads, you don't have to use your brain there.
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    • Snowball
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      • 11-15-09
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      #772
      Originally posted by trobin31
      Nice to see you nut jobs are still holding down the conspiracy theorems. Keep up the great work you guys are doing defiling the memory of those who died. I wonder what you would say if you ever met the wife or husband of someone who died from this terrorist attack. They would probably spit in your face.
      If they took the victims comensation payouts then they signed legal documents
      bound by law not to challenge the official story.
      A government “compensation fund” would pay off most families of 9/11 victims, preventing them from ever suing anyone for what happened to their loved ones.

      And those who didn’t take the money would be pressured into accepting out-of-court settlements. Everyone would be kept quiet with gag orders and non-disclosure clauses, and the truth about 9/11 would never come out in a courtroom.

      A new 9/11 victim's family have gone public on their doubts about the official story and have firmly placed their support behind the efforts of the 9/11 Truth Movement to search for the truth of what really happened on September 11, belying a common slur on behalf of the establishment press that questioning the government's version of the attacks is somehow insulting to the victims.
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      • BigDofBA
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        • 09-30-09
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        #773
        Originally posted by pronk
        Donkey's logic is far more superior to yours. Go troll some porn threads, you don't have to use your brain there.
        And you're still mad. Lol.
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        • jtoler
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          #774
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          • Eddy Munny
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            • 08-13-13
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            #775
            Originally posted by BigDofBA
            I asked 9 questions in the post above. If you could answer those questions I might entertain your theories but you can't. Not one person in this thread has answered any of those simple questions I have asked over and over again.

            Here is question 10, if there were no planes how was there a huge ass hole in the building in the shape of a plane?

            Was that just a holograph? Was here really no hole?

            See, I ask logical questions that you people have no answer for and your rebuttal is "get a brain transplant".

            Based on the intellect level of some of these posts I'm not surprised by the responses I get when I ask very simple and logical questions.

            Some idiot even said Mark Zuckerberg was involved. Lol. People must forget this happened 14 years ago.
            You should question some of your questions. Your "question 10," for instance, begs questioning of it's own. Why would an airplane leave behind a airplane-shaped imprint in a structure made of solid steel and concrete? This is how dumb they think you are. They think you'll believe that a lightweight (relatively speaking) aluminum vessel, essentially an airborne beer can, just leaves behind a "footprint" like rabbit tracks in the snow. Think about that... even the fragile ends of the wingtips just slice through vastly superior material like a cookie-cutter does dough.

            This isn't even real life physics. This is the kind of shit that happens on an ACME cartoon. This is Wile E. Coyote being shot out of a cannon and leaving his body outline stamped on the side of a mountain.

            Honestly, you should be embarrassed to even be so gullible as to believe this tomfoolery. But, sadly, there are plenty of others just like you, who are all too willing to be spoon-fed anything to stifle critical thinking.

            You probably also believe that whatever destructive force that caused the towers to disintegrate into powder, conveniently allowed for one of the hijackers' paper passports to be found by authorities the same day, intact. But truthers are the crazy ones, right?
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            • The Kraken
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              #776
              Originally posted by Eddy Munny
              You should question some of your questions. Your "question 10," for instance, begs questioning of it's own. Why would an airplane leave behind a airplane-shaped imprint in a structure made of solid steel and concrete? This is how dumb they think you are. They think you'll believe that a lightweight (relatively speaking) aluminum vessel, essentially an airborne beer can, just leaves behind a "footprint" like rabbit tracks in the snow. Think about that... even the fragile ends of the wingtips just slice through vastly superior material like a cookie-cutter does dough.

              This isn't even real life physics. This is the kind of shit that happens on an ACME cartoon. This is Wile E. Coyote being shot out of a cannon and leaving his body outline stamped on the side of a mountain.

              Honestly, you should be embarrassed to even be so gullible as to believe this tomfoolery. But, sadly, there are plenty of others just like you, who are all too willing to be spoon-fed anything to stifle critical thinking.

              You probably also believe that whatever destructive force that caused the towers to disintegrate into powder, conveniently allowed for one of the hijackers' paper passports to be found by authorities the same day, intact. But truthers are the crazy ones, right?
              Correct
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              • Eddy Munny
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                #777
                Originally posted by The Kraken
                Correct
                So in your effort to seek the comfort and safety of the status quo, you're willing to accept ACME physics as not only plausible, but a simple matter of fact? I'll take crazy over whatever you call that, any day of the week.
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                • Thunderground
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                  #778
                  Not going to change people's minds 14 years after the fact, but there are quite a few smoking guns. Just off the top of my head:

                  WTC 7... No plane flew into it. And no highriser has ever come down due to fire. On 9/11 the only three in history collapsed in their own footprint, because of a fire... The collapse of WTC 7 was announced on the BBC a half hour before it happened. Also, the brandnew owner of the WTC, Larry Silverstein, who insured those buildings for a gazillion bucks, is on record as saying that there was so much damage that they decided to pull building 7 (meaning controlled demolition). This is not in question. Just look it up.

                  It is not easy at all for a building to collapse in its own footprint. If it were easy Vegas hotels wouldn't hire expensive experts. The only times we have actually witnessed this type of collapse, outside of 9/11, is with controlled demolition. There simply are no examples of such a collapse outside of controlled demolition, with the one exception of 9/11; where it happened three times. What are the odds?

                  On a technical note. How does a building collapse in its own footprint? The structural beams are cut on an angle, with the aid of explosives and a cutting agent: thermite that burns straight through steel. It is because of this angular cut that the beam can slide down along that cut, so if the cut is in the right direction, all the beams will slide down in the same way... And this is the reason that the building collapses inwardly. It's just basic physics. There simply would be no way to control the direction of a collapsing building without those cuts. There are plenty of 9/11 pictures with precisely these type of cuts through beams.

                  At the Pentagon no plane wreckage was found. None. Nor is their any sign of the impact of the wings against the building. There's a hole, obviously. So the plane just disintegrated and the wings left no impact. Abacadabra!

                  Just look at the simple facts, and come to your own conclusions. Don't let others dictate what you should think. The powers that be have unleashed the term 'conspiracy theorist' in the same manner that the Church of old used the word 'heretics'. Just as in medieval days the people who are sensitive to that type of mass herding tend to embrace beliefs far more willingly than those who are not. Ultimately, we are all responsible for our own convictions, and they deserve to be thoroughly checked, as our actions will be based upon them. Isn't that the basic idea in handicapping?

                  For the record, human history is littered with these type of self-inflicted wounds and the political gain that is derived from them. It is extremely easy for a government to control a population that believes it's under attack. Just look at the Patriot Act. Consider how long after 9/11 it was signed into law, and how long it would have taken to write. Look it up, if you don't know. Not a problem at all if you're among those too lazy to do so, but then weigh that fundamental lack of interest against the opinions of the many researchers who spend thousands of hours studying 9/11.
                  Last edited by Thunderground; 01-17-16, 04:01 AM.
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                  • BigDofBA
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                    #779
                    Originally posted by Eddy Munny
                    You should question some of your questions. Your "question 10," for instance, begs questioning of it's own. Why would an airplane leave behind a airplane-shaped imprint in a structure made of solid steel and concrete? This is how dumb they think you are. They think you'll believe that a lightweight (relatively speaking) aluminum vessel, essentially an airborne beer can, just leaves behind a "footprint" like rabbit tracks in the snow. Think about that... even the fragile ends of the wingtips just slice through vastly superior material like a cookie-cutter does dough.
                    I've already answered all of my questions. The truthers haven't.

                    I watched a plane fly into the building with my own two eyes and leave a crater afterwards just like millions of other people did that day. Your arugment is that it was all a hollywood production. OK, even if I play along with that bullshit what about the New Yorkers that were on the ground in Manhattan that day and saw the same thing I saw on the news?

                    What evidence do you have that a plane didn't hit the building? There is an abundance of evidence that it did.

                    How in the penetrate did that hole get in the building if it wasn't a plane?I can't even believe I have to point out these obvious things to you guys. Jesus.... and you act like the only thing that was found was a passport. That's not even true. Truthers don't even have all of their "facts" straight.

                    If you believe there were no planes. Please try to explain the 10 questions I asked. There is a reason none of the truthers are answering my questions. These nutjobs haven't thought that far ahead and don't know what to say. So for this bullshit to be true, the following people/entities would be involved and I'm probably not even scratching the surface.

                    CNN
                    MSNBC
                    Fox News
                    ABC
                    CBS
                    United Airlines
                    American Airlines
                    A few hunder families that had relatives on the planes
                    Norad
                    Radar data
                    All of the people on the ground in New York that saw the planes were in on it to (they must have been under mind control)
                    The smell of jet fuel was fake
                    The airplane parts that were found were fake (bc the government was smart enough to pull off the inside job but forgot the right parts)
                    The luggage found was fake (even though it could be traced to the passengers that boarded the plane)

                    Yeah....bc all of that shit seems reasonable. I feel like I'm trying to teach you guys calculus but you're arguing with me that 1+1 doesn't equal 2.

                    Whenever facts are presented you guys fall back on the "they were involved in the cover up" crutch. It's pathetic.

                    About 10 years ago all of these conspiracy theories grabbed my attention and I almost fell for the bullshit until I did my own research and figured out how much false information "truthers" were spreading and making up.
                    Last edited by BigDofBA; 01-17-16, 02:54 PM.
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                    • pronk
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                      #780
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                      Start your own thread about 9/11 how aluminum can penetrate forged steel beams and try winning a noble prize with your dumbass theory you moron. Or better yet, go and bump some old Dad's asian nipple threads.
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                      • jtoler
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                        #781
                        Originally posted by pronk
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                        Start your own thread about 9/11 how aluminum can penetrate forged steel beams and try winning a noble prize with your dumbass theory you moron.
                        People believe that here?
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                        • pronk
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                          #782
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                          • TheMoneyShot
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                            #783
                            Originally posted by jtoler
                            Wow! First time I watched this video. I mentioned this so many times... just like the dude in this video. What would make an entire building collapse? Why not just a section of the building? Amazing.

                            When you hear these loud BOOMS... EXPLOSIONS... reminds me of a Thunderstorm approaching. Sounds just like a rumble off in the distance.

                            You watch these videos... and as an American... you feel humiliated as a citizen of this country. You feel violated. Duped.

                            Clearly our government did this. If the buildings remained standing.... there would of been a mass amount of evidence. You couldn't possibly keep everyone quiet... something would of leaked. So, let's just drop both towers completely. Excellent idea.

                            Rule #1 Large buildings are built to last. They are sturdy. Only way to bring them down is by remote explosives... demolition style.

                            That echo of "thunder" clearly tells you something exploded multiple times.
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                            • pronk
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                              #784
                              Originally posted by TheMoneyShot
                              Wow! First time I watched this video. I mentioned this so many times... just like the dude in this video. What would make an entire building collapse? Why not just a section of the building? Amazing.

                              When you hear these loud BOOMS... EXPLOSIONS... reminds me of a Thunderstorm approaching. Sounds just like a rumble off in the distance.

                              You watch these videos... and as an American... you feel humiliated as a citizen of this country. You feel violated. Duped.

                              Clearly our government did this. If the buildings remained standing.... there would of been a mass amount of evidence. You couldn't possibly keep everyone quiet... something would of leaked. So, let's just drop both towers completely. Excellent idea.

                              Rule #1 Large buildings are built to last. They are sturdy. Only way to bring them down is by remote explosives... demolition style.

                              That echo of "thunder" clearly tells you something exploded multiple times.
                              I had to use my headphones to hear that roaring booming thunder. Sounds like underground nuke explosion 😨
                              That russian nuclear missile officer was right.
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                              • xdodger19
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                                #785
                                The buildings were rigged, no planes. This is critical to understanding. To do a scam like that they couldn't afford
                                to count on all that. The neo-cons just figured the people would fall for it. The dems just went along with it.
                                Cognitive dissonance applies here. People don't want to accept the facts because then there worldview would collapse.
                                You can fool some of the people some of the time.
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                                • jtoler
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                                  #786
                                  Originally posted by TheMoneyShot
                                  Wow! First time I watched this video. I mentioned this so many times... just like the dude in this video. What would make an entire building collapse? Why not just a section of the building? Amazing.

                                  When you hear these loud BOOMS... EXPLOSIONS... reminds me of a Thunderstorm approaching. Sounds just like a rumble off in the distance.

                                  You watch these videos... and as an American... you feel humiliated as a citizen of this country. You feel violated. Duped.

                                  Clearly our government did this. If the buildings remained standing.... there would of been a mass amount of evidence. You couldn't possibly keep everyone quiet... something would of leaked. So, let's just drop both towers completely. Excellent idea.

                                  Rule #1 Large buildings are built to last. They are sturdy. Only way to bring them down is by remote explosives... demolition style.

                                  That echo of "thunder" clearly tells you something exploded multiple times.
                                  If one knew nothing about anything and had a 3rd grade education they could see the smoking gun is in the symmetry in which the buildings fell.
                                  Last edited by jtoler; 01-20-16, 08:04 AM.
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                                  • Auto Donk
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                                    #787
                                    Originally posted by jtoler
                                    jetliner, schmetliner..... you don't need jets loaded with fuel to knock down the twin towers......

                                    to the contrary, you only need one thing..... and that despicable thing is proudly displayed in my avatar
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                                    • Snowball
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                                      #788
                                      Originally posted by Auto Donk
                                      and that despicable thing is proudly displayed in my avatar
                                      no doubt. Silverstein made huge bank on the 9-11 scam. So did those who bought millions
                                      in put options against the airline stocks.



                                      they knew. they profited. they did not tell us.


                                      this week:
                                      Last edited by Snowball; 01-20-16, 01:29 PM.
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                                      • Auto Donk
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                                        #789


                                        lol.... this video is one of the bigger crocks of shit ive seen.....

                                        prodigy with seedy shades and a ponytail, sought after by dozens of companies, is at home in bed, unemployed, with no place to go, so he heads down to a pier in Hoboken....

                                        flashing tail rotor on a chopper is supposedly doing what???? flashes are supposedly firing missiles? funny how the first time they show this "mission accomplished" chopper, around 18:36, they show it clear the smoke, and one last tail rotor flash is seen -- clearly a refection unless this chopper is shooting missiles out its ass -- yet each time after that initial showing they stop the video short of the chopper clearing the smoke, so you don't see the obvious fact that it's the sun reflecting off the tail rotor.... talk about disingenuous bullshit....

                                        also, where are the flashes from the second wave of helicopters around the second collapsing tower? if these f'n flashes were oh so important related to first tower's collapse, shouldn't there have been similar flashes seen from the helicopters on the scene as the second tower collapsed?????

                                        so, this vid has the alleged benefit of having not being shot from the angle of all the networks' cameras..... ah, i get it, all the major news networks new of this dubious scheme and agreed to shoot only from an angle that wouldn't show all this "evidence" that paranoid pony-tail boy caught on his handicam.....

                                        explosions on the tape are much like those on many of my handicam vids shot while deer hunting in the s. tex. brush country.... the f'n things make clicking noises when you touch any part of the cam to adjust zoom, etc.... mic picks those up.... either that or someone with the new world order was blowing up shit 1.8 miles away from me, too, and i caught those "explosions" in my handicam while I happened to be adjusting the zoom..... HELL, if i turned a few of my vids shot on windy days over to this guy, he'd think I'd started WWIII on them, as it sounds like thousands of bombs going off due to the mic picking up wind gusts.....

                                        and, candidly, I'm quite certain one of the "explosions" captured was actually Pete Jennings rippin' a fart during his live broadcast.....

                                        they should have put little triangles on all those shady tugboats in the Hudson, as well, for they were about as relevant to the collapses as those choppers......

                                        also, they better investigate all those shady ass shore birds sitting in the foreground on the banks of the hudson, as they NEVER FUKKIN FLINCHED during all these explosions and collapsing buildings .... clearly to remain so f'n calm, those birds had to know this was coming, and are in on the scheme!!!!! HOW CAN A F'N BIRD NOT FLY AWAY if it's not in on a scheme?!?!?!?! To test this theory, I grabbed my trusty remington 1100 SEMI AUTOMATIC shotgun, walked out on my back porch, and fired off a few shells, and every f'n bird within a half mile shagged ass like the f'n bird world was coming to an end (even some of my neighbors started running down the street in fear)...... ponytail boy needs to turn this evidence over so those complicit shore birds can be interviewed!!!!

                                        as for the "missing" mayor gulianni, when they found him, he was, like most of the birds in my experiment, shagging ass down the street. Someone asked him, "Mayor, why are you running????" Gulianni, with a cloud of white smoke rapidly approaching from his backside, responded, quite feverishly, "I am running because I cannot fly, you asshole!!!!!!"

                                        the pyroclastic bullshit was even funnier.... clouds of hot gases carry debri!!! maybe at a f'n volcano, but those 'hot gases' weren't present here in these dust clouds! how do we know this????? because thousands of dust covered new yorkers AMAZINGY SURVIVED THESE HOT GASES without so much as a single superficial burn from them........... go stand in a pyroclastic cloud from an actual volcano, ur face will look like someone took a blow torch to it...... there was no f'n pyroclastic cloud anywhere near nyc; just dust.... get the fuk over it

                                        all this video definitely proves is that one Donald J. Trump did indeed witness the towers falling from New Jersey.... at 50:20-50:40, we can all hear him wailing in the background of the video as one of the towers collapses..... DAMN, he sure sounds like a whiny bitch!!!!
                                        Last edited by Auto Donk; 01-20-16, 03:40 PM.
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                                        • Auto Donk
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                                          #790
                                          Originally posted by jtoler
                                          this is the actual vid that my foregoing critique was addressing.... damn toler has so many up, I originally attached the critique, inadvertently, to the wrong vid......
                                          Last edited by Auto Donk; 01-20-16, 03:42 PM.
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                                          • Auto Donk
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                                            #791
                                            and for all you paranoid fuks who think a cruise missile hit the pentagon.... How many cruise missiles have landing gear attached to them????

                                            here are some of the photos...... (I wish the f'n gov't and law enforcement would have released all of the photos, so snowball, toler, pronk, etc. could sleep easier at night.....)

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                                            • Snowball
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                                              #792
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                                              • Auto Donk
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                                                #793
                                                and all these random fuks must be gov't plants (how the fuk else could they have seen a f'n jet -- really a f'n jet -- hit the Pentagon).........

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                                                • Auto Donk
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                                                  #794
                                                  Originally posted by Snowball
                                                  you can believe her, who's not sure wtf happened, or the hundreds or so individuals who KNOW it was a f'n jet:

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                                                  • Snowball
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                                                    #795
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                                                    • ttwarrior1
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                                                      #796
                                                      what i don't get is why the planes were not noisy?

                                                      Also how did people above where the plane hit get out but people on lets say floor 20 didn't?
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                                                      • Auto Donk
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                                                        #797
                                                        Originally posted by ttwarrior1
                                                        what i don't get is why the planes were not noisy?

                                                        Also how did people above where the plane hit get out but people on lets say floor 20 didn't?
                                                        obviously you've been wasting too much time putting on make up and women's clothing.... most eyewitnesses describe the loud roar of jet engines; indeed, in the video of the jet hitting the first tower to be struck, you yourself can hear it as it flies overhead in the vid.....

                                                        as for the pentagon, dozens and dozens of witnesses near the scene described hearing the screaming jet engines, which the pilot "gunned" right at the point of impact........
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                                                        • zizoudane10
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                                                          #798
                                                          Originally posted by Auto Donk
                                                          and for all you paranoid fuks who think a cruise missile hit the pentagon.... How many cruise missiles have landing gear attached to them????

                                                          here are some of the photos...... (I wish the f'n gov't and law enforcement would have released all of the photos, so snowball, toler, pronk, etc. could sleep easier at night.....)

                                                          http://www.rense.com/general32/phot.htm
                                                          Pronk believes anything he reads on the internet, as long as it is stupid enough....
                                                          You are talking about the guy who believes Angela Merkel is Adolf Hitlers daughter
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                                                          • Snowball
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                                                            #799
                                                            AutoDonk how come you don't believe the woman who was in the building
                                                            and she even shows her worker ID in the video.
                                                            There was no plane. Tim Roemer says "missile" before correcting himself.
                                                            Rumsfeld did the same thing. Rumsfeld even said there was no plane wreckage.
                                                            You really aren't opening your ears, pal. All the tapes are confiscated. The missile
                                                            hit exactly the department that was auditing why 2 trillion was missing from the Pentagon
                                                            budget. This is a very deep rabbit hole - I don't know why you are so naive.
                                                            You seem like a somewhat intelligent person who has life experiences with people
                                                            who are less then honest in their dealings but for some reason just can't get over the
                                                            fact that the people of the US were lied to about 9.11 and other crimes.
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                                                            • Auto Donk
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                                                              #800
                                                              Eyewitness Accounts

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                                                              Abshire, Marc
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                                                              Air Force Lt. Col. Marc Abshire, 40, a speechwriter for Air Force Secretary James Roche, was working on several speeches this morning when he felt the blast of the explosion at the Pentagon. His office is on the D ring, near the eighth corridor, he said. "It shot me back in my chair. There was a huge blast. I could feel the air shock wave of it," Abshire said. "I didn't know exactly what it was. It didn't rumble. It was more of a direct smack. I said, 'This isn't right. Something's wrong here.'" "We all went out in the hallway. People were yelling 'Evacuate! Evacuate!' And we found ourselves on the lawn and looking back on our building. It was very much a surrealistic sort of experience. It's just definitely not right to see smoke coming out of the Pentagon. It was a very strange sight to see."
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                                                              Anderson, Steve
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                                                              I witnessed the jet hit the Pentagon on September 11. From my office on the 19th floor of the USA TODAY building in Arlington, Va., I have a view of Arlington Cemetery, Crystal City, the Pentagon, National Airport and the Potomac River. ... Shortly after watching the second tragedy, I heard jet engines pass our building, which, being so close to the airport is very common. But I thought the airport was closed. I figured it was a plane coming in for landing. A few moments later, as I was looking down at my desk, the plane caught my eye. It didn't register at first. I thought to myself that I couldn't believe the pilot was flying so low. Then it dawned on me what was about to happen. I watched in horror as the plane flew at treetop level, banked slightly to the left, drug it's wing along the ground and slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon exploding into a giant orange fireball. Then black smoke. Then white smoke.
                                                              http://www.jmu.edu/alumni/tragedy%5Fresponse/read%5Fmessages.html
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                                                              Anderson, Ted
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                                                              Lt. Col. Ted Anderson : "We ran to the end of our building, turned left and saw nothing but huge, billowing black smoke, and a brilliant, brilliant explosion of fire." (...) One of the Pentagon's two fire trucks was parked only 50 feet from the crash site, and it was "totally engulfed in flames," Anderson says. Nearby, tanks full of propane and aviation fuel had begun igniting, and they soon began exploding, one by one. (...) Back in the building again, Anderson said he began "screaming and hollering for people as secondary and third-order explosions started going off. One of them was a fire department car exploding-I think my right eardrum exploded at the same time, and it unequivocally scared the heck out of me."
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                                                              Anlauf, Deb & Jeff
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                                                              Mrs. Deb Anlauf, resident of Colfax, Wisconsin, was in her 14th floor of the Sheraton Hotel[located 1.6 mile from the explosion], (immediately west of the Navy Annex) when she heard a "loud roar": Suddenly I saw this plane right outside my window. You felt like you could touch it; it was that close. It was just incredible. "Then it shot straight across from where we are and flew right into the Pentagon. It was just this huge fireball that crashed into the wall (of the Pentagon). When it hit, the whole hotel shook. (...) Jeff didn't feel the impact of the plane crash as directly as his wife. He was attending an environmental meeting on the second floor of the hotel when the plane struck the Pentagon. About five seconds before the crash, Jeff said he heard the sound of "tin being dropped," likely as construction workers building an addition to the hotel saw the plane and dropped their building materials. "Then, about 5 seconds later, the whole hotel shook," Jeff recalled. "I could feel it moving. We said 'Oh, my gosh, what's going on?' "
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                                                              Battle, an office worker at the Pentagon, was standing outside the building and just about to enter when the aircraft struck. "It was coming down head first," he said. "And when the impact hit, the cars and everything were just shaking."

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                                                              Gary Bauer, a former Presidential candidate, happened to be driving into Washington, D.C. that morning, to a press conference on Capitol Hill. "I was in a massive traffic jam, hadn't moved more than a hundred yards in twenty minutes. ... I had just passed the closest place the Pentagon is to the exit on 395 . . . when all of a sudden I heard the roar of a jet engine. I looked at the woman sitting in the car next to me. She had this startled look on her face. We were all thinking the same thing. We looked out the front of our windows to try to see the plane, and it wasn't until a few seconds later that we realized the jet was coming up behind us on that major highway. And it veered to the right into the Pentagon. The blast literally rocked all of our cars. It was an incredible moment." massnews.com / Amy Contrada / December 2001

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                                                              "...came from behind us and banked to the right and went into the Pentagon." Interview with Warren Smith

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                                                              Anger and guilt still sear Lieutenant Colonel Michael Beans who shakes his head ruefully and asks himself why he survived: "Why you, not them? Who made that decision?" (...) Inside the Pentagon,the blast lifted Beans off the floor as he crossed a huge open office toward his desk. "You heard this huge concussion, then the room filled with this real bright light, just like everything was encompassed within this bright light," said Beans. "As soon as I hit the floor, all the lights went out, there was a small fire starting to burn." His friends were not so lucky. Not far away on the same floor, Beans' once familiar world had turned into a terrifying maze as well. Opening a door to the outer E-ring corridor, Beans saw waves of fire rolling towards him like surf on a beach. Turning back, he groped slowly back across the room on hands and knees. The sprinkler came on and that kept the smoke and heat down. But it was nervewracking and Beans was alone, listening as the building burned. "It was so quiet," he recalled. "There was no screaming, nobody saying anything, just nothing." He thought he might not make it out alive. He thought about his wife, his daughter and son, his 22 years in the army. "I remember taking a couple of breaths there, and I made up my mind: I just can't go out this way," he said. Suddenly out of the smoke a man ran by. "I tried to grab him, and I tried to yell at him," Beans said. But "he just disappeared into the smoke." Alone again, Beans crawled with his face to the floor. Then the carpet turned to wet tile, and he looked up and saw he was in a corridor. He ran and as the smoke cleared, he saw a guard. Beans discovered later that his head and forearms were burned. He now wears special flesh-colored compression sleeves on his arms. "These burns are going to heal, eventually," he said. But the memories "will be with me for the rest of my life."
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                                                              Paul Begala, a Democratic consultant, said he witnessed an explosion near the Pentagon. "It was a huge fireball, a huge, orange fireball," he said in an interview on his mobile phone. He said another witness told him a helicopter exploded. AP, Washington, 9/12/2001 11:45:33 PM
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                                                              Mickey Bell : The jet came in from the south and banked left as it entered the building, narrowly missing the Singleton Electric trailer and the on-site foreman, Mickey Bell. Bell had just left the trailer when he heard a loud noise. The next thing he recalled was picking himself off the floor, where he had been thrown by the blast. Bell, who had been less than 100 feet from the initial impact of the plane, was nearly struck by one of the plane's wings as it sped by him. In shock, he got into his truck, which had been parked in the trailer compound, and sped away. He wandered around Arlington in his truck and tried to make wireless phone calls. He ended up back at Singleton's headquarters in Gaithersburg two hours later, according to President Singleton, not remembering much. The full impact of the closeness of the crash wasn't realized until coworkers noticed damage to Bell's work vehicle. He had plastic and rivets from an airplane imbedded in its sheet metal, butBell had no idea what had happened. During Bell's close call, other Singleton workers, including sub-foreman Greg Cobaugh, were doing other work on the first and third floors. The blast wasn't very loud to them. They were talking about reports that two planes crashed into the World Trade Center in Manhattan, New York - not considering the noise they heard could be a similar attack.
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                                                              Richard Benedetto, a USA TODAY reporter, was on his way to work, driving on the Highway parrallel to the Pentagon : "It was an American Airlines airplane, I could see it very clearly.(...) I didn't see the impact. (...) The sound itself sounded more like a thud rather than a bomb (...) rather than a loud bomb explosion it sounded muffled, heavy, very deep. I didn't see any flaps, it looked like the plane was just in normal flying mode but heading straight down. It was straight. The only thing we saw on the ground outside there was a piece of a ... the tail of a lamp post. (Video)
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                                                              Members of Congress have been shuttled to the site to inspect the damage. Rep. Judy Biggert (R-Ill.) made the trip on Thursday. She saw remnants of the airplane. 'There was a seat from a plane, there was part of the tail and then there was a part of green metal, I could not tell what it was, a part of the outside of the plane,' she said. 'It smelled like it was still burning.'
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                                                              LTC Brian Birdwell. He was just heading back down the hall to his office when the building exploded in front of him. The flash fire was immediate and the smoke was thick. The blast had thrown him down, giving him a concussion. He wanted to head down the hall toward the A ring...but because he couldn't see anything he had no idea which way to go and he didn't want to head in the wrong direction. (...) Once they stabilized Brian, they transferred him to George Washington Hospital where...the best, cutting edge burn doctor in the U.S. The doctor told him that had he not gone to Georgetown first, he probably would not have survived because of the jet fuel in his lungs.
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                                                              Down the hall from Yates, Lt. Col. Brian Birdwell, 40, had been at his desk in Room 2E486 since 6:30 a.m. (...) Birdwell walked out to the men's room in corridor 4, a move that saved his life. He had just taken three or four steps out of the bathroom when the building was rocked. "Bomb!" the Gulf War vet immediately thought as he was knocked down. When he stood up, he realized he was on fire. "Jesus, I'm coming to see you"
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                                                              Sean Boger, Air Traffic Controller and Pentagon tower chief - "I just looked up and I saw the big nose and the wings of the aircraft coming right at us and I just watched it hit the building." "It exploded. I fell to the ground and covered my head. I could actually hear the metal going through the building." The crew, Boger and Spc. Jacqueline Kidd, air traffic controller and training supervisor, prepared for President George W. Bush to arrive from Florida around 12:30 p.m.
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                                                              Donald R. Bouchoux, 53, a retired Naval officer, a Great Falls resident, a Vietnam veteran and former commanding officer of a Navy fighter squadron, was driving west from Tysons Corner to the Pentagon for a 10am meeting. He wrote: At 9:40 a.m. I was driving down Washington Boulevard (Route 27) along the side of the Pentagon when the aircraft crossed about 200 yards [should be more than 150 yards from the impact] in front of me and impacted the side of the building. There was an enormous fireball, followed about two seconds later by debris raining down. The car moved about a foot to the right when the shock wave hit. I had what must have been an emergency oxygen bottle from the airplane go flying down across the front of my Explorer and then a second piece of jagged metal come down on the right side of the car. Washington Post, Sept. 20, 2001
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                                                              John Bowman, a retired Marine lieutenant colonel and a contractor, was in his office in Corridor Two near the main entrance to the south parking lot. "Everything was calm,' Bowman said. "Most people knew it was a bomb. Everyone evacuated smartly. We have a good sprinkling of military people who have been shot at."
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                                                              Staff Sgt. Chris Braman : The lawn was littered with twisted pieces of aluminum. He saw one chunk painted with the letter ``A,'' another with a ``C.'' It didn't occur to Braman what the letters signified until a man in the crowd stooped to pick up one of the smaller metal shards. He examined it for a moment, then announced: ``This was a jet.''
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                                                              Defense Protective Service officers were the first on the scene of the terrorist attack. One, Mark Bright, actually saw the plane hit the building. He had been manning the guard booth at the Mall Entrance to the building. "I saw the plane at the Navy Annex area," he said. "I knew it was going to strike the building because it was very, very low -- at the height of the street lights. It knocked a couple down." The plane would have been seconds from impact -- the annex is only a few hundred yards from the Pentagon. He said he heard the plane "power-up" just before it struck the Pentagon. "As soon as it struck the building I just called in an attack, because I knew it couldn't be accidental," Bright said. He jumped into his police cruiser and headed to the area.
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                                                              At the Pentagon, employees had heard about or seen footage of the World Trade Centre attack when they felt their own building shake. Ervin Brown, who works at the Pentagon, said he saw pieces of what appeared to be small aircraft on the ground, and the part of the building by the heliport had collapsed.
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                                                              Pentagon staff raced along a wooden pathway opposite the Pentagon building, all heading towards bridges that would take them across the Potomac River. Grown men ran at full pace. Rich Brown was sitting at his desk and "there was just a huge sound that shook the building for a second or two". "I don't know what's happened. I assume it's a co-ordinated terrorist attack."
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                                                              Lisa Burgess, a reporter for the Army newspaper Stars and Stripes, said she was walking in a corridor near the blast site and was thrown to the ground by the force of the blast.
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                                                              Lisa Burgess : Stars and Stripes reporter Lisa Burgess was walking on the Pentagon's innermost corridor, across the courtyard, when the incident happened. "I heard two loud booms - one large, one smaller, and the shock wave threw me against the wall," she said.Burgess, reporting by telephone from the scene at about 4 p.m., said that five hours after the blast, still no one was able to get into the building. After the first casualties were removed, no one was brought out of the building, either dead or alive.
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                                                              It was a passenger plane. I think an American Airways plane, Mr Campo said. "I was cutting the grass and it came in screaming over my head. I felt the impact. The whole ground shook and the whole area was full of fire. I could never imagine I would see anything like that here."
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                                                              As former Cincinnatian James R. Cissell sat in traffic on a Virginia interstate by the Pentagon Tuesday morning, he saw the blur of a commercial jet and wondered why it was flying so low. ''Right about the time it was crossing over the highway, it kind of dawned on me what was happening,'' said Cissell, son of Hamilton County Clerk of Courts Jim Cissell. In the next blink of an eye, he realized he had a front-row seat to history, as the plane plowed into the Pentagon, sendinga fireball exploding into the air and scattering debris - including a tire rim suspected of belonging to the airplane - past his car. (...) In the next seconds dozens of things flashed through his mind. ''I thought, 'This isn't really happening. That is a big plane.' Then I saw the faces of some of the passengers on board,'' Cissell said. While he remembers seeing the crash, Cissell remembers none of the sounds. ''It came in in a perfectly straight line,'' he said. ''It didn't slow down. I want to say it accelerated. It just shot straight in.''
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                                                              Allen Cleveland of Woodbridge Virginia looked out from a Metro train going to National Airport, to see a jet heading down toward the Pentagon. "I thought, 'There's no landing strip on that side of the subway tracks,' " Before he could process that thought, he saw "a huge mushroom cloud. A lady staThe lady next to me was in absolute hysterics."" . . a silver pasenger jet, mid sized"
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                                                              Soon after the crash (Within 30 seconds of the crash) I witnessed a military cargo plane (Possibly a C130) fly over the crash site and circle the mushroom cloud. My brother inlaw also witnessed the same plane following the jet while he was on the HOV lanes in Springfield. He said that he saw a jetliner flying low over the tree tops near Seminary RD in Springfield, VA. and soon afterwards a military plane was seen flying right behind it. I think this was also a reason for the false threat of another plane about to crash which caused rescuers to have to evacuate for a short time after the initial crash. I have done my research onthis and according to time magazine it took 24 minutes before Norad was supposedly notified about this particuliar jet and fighters were scrambling to intercept at that time. Isn't it odd how there is Not a single mention of this aircraft in ANY of the articles written about this crash? Also if you had not noticed... There is not a single picture or live footage of the actual jet prior to its crash at the Pentagon. Nor is there any of the one that crashed in Pennsylvania. But if Anyone who rides the metro-rail knows, there are plenty of Video cameras all around National airport at the parking Garages and the high level security buildings found all around Crystal city. (3 of which I have personally found pointed directly towards crystal city which would have given a great line of site shot of that jet prior to the crash as well as any other plane which might have been following it. I personally believe that the government new full well that this was about to happen and they are hiding something a lot bigger than they are willing to let out. I was interviewed at Washingtonpost.com and gave them my full story, but they did not print it as I have told you. I also find it interesting that one of the planes engines in the pennsylvania crash was supposedly found 5 miles prior to the crash site (This information I'm unsure of). The only thing that I'm aware of that might cause that would be a heat seeking missle. A weapon which I am pretty familiar with form Ord.training. I'm not saying that the government new exactly what was about to happen, but I do believe that they are definitely hiding something here. Many of my friends in intelligence have said the same. I work in a Gov. building in DC., but my heart is right there with you and your team. I hope you and those who served with you are doing well. Take care.
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                                                              [We didn't know what kind of plane had hit the Pentagon, or where it had hit. Later, we were told that] it was a 757 out of Dulles, which had come up the river in back of our building, turned sharply over the Capitol, ran past the White House and the Washington Monument, up the river to Rosslyn, then dropped to treetop level and ran down Washington Boulevard to the Pentagon (...) As we watched the black plume gather strength, less than a minute after the explosion, we saw an odd sight that no one else has yet commented on. Directly in back of the plume, which would place it almost due west from our office, a four-engine propeller plane, which Ray later said resembled a C-130, started a steep decent towards the Pentagon. It was coming from an odd direction (planes don't go east-west in the area), and it was descending at a much steeper angle than most aircraft. Trailing a thin, diffuse black trail from its engines, the plane reached the Pentagon at a low altitude and made a sharp left turn, passing just north of the plume, and headed straight for the White House. All the while, I was sort of talking at it: "Who the hell are you? Where are you going? You're not headed for downtown!" Ray and Verle watched it with me, and I was convinced it was another attack. But right over the tidal basin, at an altitude of less than 1000 feet, it made another sharp left turn to the north and climbed rapidly. Soon it was gone, leaving only the thin black trail.
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                                                              "It was striking to me how little of the building was involved in the fire," said Dr. Corley, who has reviewed the Pentagon report. The fire, he said, "didn't spread and and trap other people in the building. "While 125 Pentagon workers and 59 passengers and crew members on the plane died, few if any of the workers who died were from outside the immediate impact zone."
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                                                              LTC Victor Correa work at the Pentagon. (...) LTC Victor Correa's office, what was the Army's Deputy Chief of Staff for Personnel, now the Army G-1, was in the path of the Boeing 757 that crashed into the Pentagon on a sunny fall morning. He was walking over to talk to a co-worker in the next cubicle when he was knocked down by the impact. "I saw a fireball come over my head," said Correa, an Active Guard Reservist now assigned to Joint Chiefs of Staff, J-5. "The fireball was coming like a wind-cloud of smoke trailing it. I also noticed to my right thewindows going out and coming back in. The fireball came in and out quick - the speed of lightning. As it went back, it left a cloud of smoke and started dropping. At that time the fire system went up." Being knocked down turned out to be a life-saver. (...) "We thought it was some kind of explosion. That somehow someone got in here and planted bombs because we saw these holes."
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                                                              He and two colleagues from Oracle software were stopped in a car near the Naval Annex, next to the Pentagon, when they saw the plane dive down and level off. "It was no more than 30 feet off the ground, and it was screaming. It was just screaming. It was nothing more than a guided missile at that point," Creed said. "I can still see the plane. I can still see it right now. It's just the most frightening thing in the world, going full speed, going full throttle, its wheels up," Creed recalls.
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                                                              Damoose said the worst part was leaving the Pentagon and walking along Fort Meyer Drive, a bike trail, "you could see pieces of the plane."
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                                                              Near the Lincoln Memorial, Dave heard two booms, which sounded like the artillery salutes on the Mall on the Fourth of July, he said. It was likely the noise from a secondary blast at the Pentagon -
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                                                              For one employee with Wedge One's mechanical subcontractor John J. Kirlin Inc., Rockville MD, "lucky" is an understatement. "We had one guy who was standing, looking out the window and saw the plane when it was coming in. He was in front of one of the blast-resistant windows," says Kirlin President Wayne T. Day, who believes the window structure saved the man's life. According to Matt Hahr, Kirlin's senior project manager at the Pentagon, the employee "was thrown about 80 ft down the hall through the air. As he was traveling through the air, he says the ceiling was coming down from the concussion. He got thrown into a closet, the door slammed shut and the fireball went past him," recounts Hahr. "Jet fuel was on him and it irritated his eyes, but he didn't get burned. Then the fireball blew over and the sprinklers came on, and he was able to crawl out of the closet and get out of the building through the courtyard."

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                                                              Instead of following the streams of people away from the Pentagon, Steve DeChiaro ran toward the smoke. As he reached the west side of the building he saw a light post bent in half. "But when I looked at the site, my brain could not resolve the fact that it was a plane because it only seemed like a small hole in the building," he said. "No tail. No wings. No nothing." He followed the emergency crews that had just arrived. He saw people hanging out of windows and others crawling from the demolished area. "These people were covered in what I thought was powder - I don't know anything about medicine or first aid, I'm an engineer - but it looked like powder," DeChiaro said. "Only later did I find out that it was their skin." Civilians and soldiers joined emergency crews who were rushing inside to pull out anyone they could. But shortly after 10 a.m. police yelled at people to get back. "Just as we're about to open the door, they start screaming, 'There's another inbound plane', " DeChiaro said. "At that moment, your thoughts are: 'I go in the building, I get killed, then I'm no help to anybody.' In hindsight, I think we should have gone back in that building." For nearly 15 minutes, they stood watching the Pentagon burn and periodically checked the sky for another plane. That plane never reached Washington but fell, instead, in rural Pennsylvania. Teams of two and three eventually were sent back in to find more victims. But as the day grew longer, the flow of the injured stopped.
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                                                              "The only way you could tell that an aircraft was inside was that we saw pieces of the nose gear. The devastation was horrific. It was obvious that some of the victims we found had no time to react. The distance the firefighters had to travel down corridors to reach the fires was a problem. With only a good 25 minutes of air in their SCBA bottles, to save air they left off their face pieces as they walked and took in a lot of smoke," Captain Defina said. Captain Defina was the shift commander [of an aircraft rescue firefighters crew.]
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                                                              Michael DiPaula 41, project coordinator Pentagon Renovation Team - He left a meeting in the Pentagon just minutes before the crash, looking for an electrician who didn't show, in a construction trailer less than 75 feet away. "Suddenly, an airplane roared into view, nearly shearing the roof off the trailer before slamming into the E ring. 'It sounded like a missile,' DiPaula recalls . . . Buried in debris and covered with airplane fuel, he was briefly listed by authorities as missing, but eventually crawled from the flaming debris and the shroud of black smoke unscathed.
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                                                              Marine Corps officer Mike Dobbs was standing on one of the upper levels of the outer ring of the Pentagon looking out the window when he saw an American Airlines 737 twin-engine airliner strike the building. "It seemed to be almost coming in slow motion," he said later Tuesday. "I didn't actually feel it hit, but I saw it and then we all started running. They evacuated everybody around us." http://www.abqtrib.com/archives/news..._dcscene.shtml
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                                                              "... we saw a plane coming toward us, for about 10 seconds ... It was like watching a train wreck. I was mesmerized. ... At first I thought it was trying to crash land, but it was coming in so deliberately, so level... Everyone said there was a deafening explosion, but with the adrenaline, we didn't hear it."St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Sept. 13, 2001 - Philip Dine
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                                                              Jill Dougherty : It took your breath away, data analyst Jill Dougherty said of the vibration. It went right through you. I didn't hear anything. I just felt it.
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                                                              " (...) when he saw a jetliner fly over the roadway. It filled his field of vision. The jet was 40-feet off the ground speeding toward the Pentagon. The wheels were up
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                                                              "Riding in a convertible ... I looked back and saw a jet airliner flying very low and very fast.
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                                                              Steve Eiden, a truck driver, had picked up his cargo that Tuesday morning in Williamsburg, Va., and was en route to New York City and witnessed the aftermath. He took the Highway 95 loop in the area of the Pentagon and thought it odd to see a plane in restricted airspace, thinking to himself it was odd that it was flying so low. "You could almost see the people in the windows," he said as he watched the plane disappear behind a line of trees, followed by a tall plume of black smoke. Then he saw the Pentagon on fire, and an announcement came over the radio that the Pentagon had been hit.
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                                                              Traffic was at a standstill. I heard a rumble, looked out my driver's side window and realized that I was looking at the nose of an airplane coming straight at us from over the road (Columbia Pike) that runs perpendicular to the road I was on. The plane just appeared there- very low in the air, to the side of (and not much above) the CITGO gas station that I never knew was there. My first thought was "Oh My God, this must be World War III!" In that split second, my brain flooded withadrenaline and I watched everything play out in ultra slow motion, I saw the plane coming in slow motion toward my car and then it banked in the slightest turn in front of me, toward the heliport. In the nano-second that the plane was directly over the cars in front of my car, the plane seemed to be not more than 80 feet off the ground and about 4-5 car lengths in front of me. It was far enough in front of me that I saw the end of the wing closest to me and the underside of the other wing as that other wing rocked slightly toward the ground. I remember recognizing it as an American Airlines plane -- I could see the windows and the color stripes. And I remember thinking that it was just like planes in which I had flown many times but at that point it never occurred to me that this might be a plane with passengers. In my adrenaline-filled state of mind, I was overcome by my visual senses. The day had started out beautiful and sunny and I had driven to work with my car's sunroof open. I believe that I may have also had one or more car windows open because the traffic wasn't moving anyway. At the second that I saw the plane, my visual senses took over completely and I did not hear or feel anything -- not the roar of the plane, or wind force, or impact sounds. The plane seemed to be floating as if it were a paper glider and I watched in horror as it gently rocked and slowly glided straight into the Pentagon. At the point where the fuselage hit the wall, it seemed to simply melt into the building. I saw a smoke ring surround the fuselage as it made contact with the wall. It appeared as a smoke ring that encircled the fuselage at the point of contact and it seemed to be several feet thick. I later realized that it was probably the rubble of churning bits of the plane and concrete. The churning smoke ring started at the top of the fuselage and simultaneously wrapped down both the right and left sides of the fuselage to the underside, where the coiling rings crossed over each other and then coiled back up to the top. Then it started over again -- only this next time, I also saw fire, glowing fire in the smoke ring. At that point, the wings disappeared into the Pentagon. And then I saw an explosion and watched the tail of the plane slip into the building. It was here that I closed my eyes for a moment and when I looked back, the entire area was awash in thick black smoke.
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                                                              Former ammunition plant official evacuated building moments before suicide airliner collision.Col. Bruce Elliott, former commander of the Iowa Army Ammunition Plant who was reassigned to the Pentagon in July, watched in horror Tuesday as a hijacked 757 airliner crashed into the nerve center of the U.S. military command. Elliott, in a phone interview Wednesday, said he had just left the Pentagon and was about to board a shuttle van in a south parking lot when he saw the plane approach and slam into the west side of the structure. "I looked to my left and saw the plane coming in," said Elliott, who watched it for several seconds. "It was banking and garnering speed. I felt it was headed for the Pentagon." (...) "It was like a kamikaze pilot. I felt it was going to ram the Pentagon," he said. He said the craft clipped a utility pole guide wire, which may have slowed it down a bit before it crashed into the building and burst into flames. (...) Elliott said the rubble was still smoldering Wednesday morning.
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                                                              The plane approached the Pentagon about six feet off the ground, clipping a light pole, a car antenna, a construction trailer and an emergency generator before slicing into the building, said Lee Evey, the manager of the Pentagon's ongoing billion-dollar renovation. The plane penetrated three of the Pentagon's five rings, but was probably stopped from going farther by hundreds of concrete columns. The plane peeled back as it entered, leaving pieces of the front of the plane near the outside of the building and pieces from the rear of the aircraft farther inside, Evey said. The floors just above the impact remained intact for about 35 minutes after the crash, allowing many people in those offices to escape, Evey said
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                                                              Internally, the Wedge One project included: complete demolition of existing facilities; significant abatement of hazardous materials (most notably, 28 million lbs. of asbestos-contaminated material was removed); installation of all new electrical, mechanical, plumbing and telecommunication systems within the existing floorplan; structural steel reinforcement; and replacement of all 1,282 windows in the section, including 386 blast-resistant units on the outermost "E Ring" and innermost "A Ring" of the building. All-new office space was created with an open space plan aimed at enhancing flexibility (...) Amazingly, the plane pushed through the outermost "E Ring", and drove deep into the interior, its nose coming to rest just inside the "C Ring."

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                                                              We've learned -- this is wedge one, okay, the newly-renovated area. The path of the airplane seems to have taken it along this route, so it entered the building slightly, on this photo, slightly to the left of what we call corridor four. There are 10 radial corridors in the building that extend from A ring out through E ring, and this is the fourth of those radial corridors. So it impacted the building in an area that had been renovated, but its path was at a -- it appears to be at a diagonal, so that it entered in wedge one but passed through into areas of wedge two, an unrenovated portion of the building. And, of course, you all know it's got rings A through E, five stories tall, et cetera. QUESTION: That seems to indicate that it came to rest in ring C, the nose cone. EVEY: Let me talk to that, because you've asked a number of questions already about the extent of penetration, et cetera. This is an overhead of the building. The point of penetration was right here, and we blocked that out to show that's the area of collapse. The plane actually penetrated through the E ring, C ring -- excuse me -- E ring, D ring, C ring. This area right here is what we call A-E Drive. And unlike other rings in the building, it's actually a driveway that circles the building inside, between the B and the C ring. The nose of the plane just barely broke through the inside of the C ring, so it was extending into A-E Drive a little bit. So that's the extent of penetration of the aircraft. The rings are E, D, C, B and A. Between B and C is a driveway that goes around the Pentagon. It's called A-E Drive. The airplane traveled in a path about like this, and the nose of the aircraft broke through this innermost wall of C ring into A-E Drive. QUESTION: One thing that's confusing -- if it came in the way you described, at an angle, why then are not the wings outside? I mean, the wings would have shorn off. The tail would have shorn off. And yet there's apparently no evidence of the aircraft outside the E ring. EVEY: Actually, there's considerable evidence of the aircraft outside the E ring. It's just not very visible. When you get up close -- actually, one of my people happened to be walking on this sidewalk and was right about here as the aircraft approached. It came in. It clipped a couple of light poles on the way in. He happened to hear this terrible noise behind him, looked back, and he actually -- he's a Vietnam veteran -- jumped prone onto the ground so the aircraft would not actually -- he thinks it (would have) hit him; it was that low. On its way in, the wing clipped. Our guess is an engine clipped a generator. We had an emergency temporary generator to provide life-safety emergency electrical power, should the power go off in the building. The wing actually clipped that generator, and portions of it broke off. There are other parts of the plane that are scattered about outside the building. None of those parts are very large, however. You don't see big pieces of the airplane sitting there extending up into the air. But there are many small pieces. And the few larger pieces there look like they are veins out of the aircraft engine. They're circular. QUESTION: Would you say that the plane, since it had a lot of fuel on it at the impact, and the fact that there are very small pieces, virtually exploded in flames when it tore into the building? I mean, since there are not large pieces of the wings laying outside, did it virtually explode? EVEY: I didn't see it. My people who did see it enter the building describe it as entering the building and then there being flames coming out immediately afterwards. Whether you describe it as an explosion or not, people I talk to who were there, some called it an explosion. Others called it a large fire. I'm not sure. I wasn't there, sir. It's just a guess on my part.
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                                                              Walker Lee Evey, program manager of the Pentagon restoration project : The fire was so hot, Evey said, that it turned window glass to liquid and sent it spilling down walls into puddles on the ground. The impact cracked massive concrete columns far beyond the impact site, destabilizing a broader section of the building than contractors had originally thought.http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/...in503257.shtml
                                                              On Sept. 11, Flight 77 sliced through the outermost three of the Pentagon's five concentric rings. Fires from the plane's 20,000 gallons of fuel melted windows into pools of liquid glass. The impact of the crash fractured concrete pillars well beyond the incisions in the three outer rings.

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                                                              I hate to disappoint anyone, but here is the story behind the photograph. At the time, I was a senior writer with Navy Times newspaper. It is an independent weekly that is owned by the Gannett Corporation (same owners as USA Today). I was at the Navy Annex, up the hill from the Pentagon when I heard the explosion. I always keep a digital camera in my backpack briefcase just as a matter of habit. When the explosion happened I ran down the hill to the site and arrived there approximately 10 minutes after the explosion. I saw the piece, that was near the heliport pad and had to work around to get a shot if it with the building in the background. Because the situation was still fluid, I was able to get in close and make that image within fifteen minutes of the explosion because security had yet to shut off the area. I photographed it twice, with the newly arrived fire trucks pouring water into the building in the background. The collapse of the building above area happened long after I left the scene. I was not even aware that that had happened until that evening when I watched the news. My photos were on the wire by noon. That was the only piece of wreckage of any SIZE that I saw, but was by no means the ONLY piece. Right after photographing that piece of wreckage, I also photographed a triage area where medical personnel were tending to a seriously burned man. A priest knelt in the middle of the area and started to pray. I took that image and left immediately. As I stepped onto the highway next to the triage area, I knelt down to tie my shoe and all over the highway were small pieces of aircraft skin, none bigger than a half-dollar. Anyone familiar with aircraft has seen the greenish primer paint that covers many interior metal surfaces - that is what these shards were covered with. I was out of the immediate area photographing other things within 20 minutes of the crash.
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                                                              Kim Flyler was trying to sneak into a parking space near to the building when she saw the plane: "At that moment I heard a plane and then a loud cracking noise.... Right before the plane hit the building, you could see the silhouettes of people in the back two rows. You couldn't see if they were male or female, but you could tell there was a human being in there."
                                                              The Observer, Sept. 8, 2002
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                                                              Ken Ford : One eyewitness, State Department employee Ken Ford, said he watched from the 15th floor of the State Department Annex, just across the PotomacRiver from the Pentagon. We were watching the airport through binoculars, Ford said, referring to Reagan National Airport, a short distance away. The plane was a two-engine turbo prop that flew up the river from National. Then it turned back toward the Pentagon. We thought it had been waved off and then it hit the building.

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                                                              "Traffic was at a standstill, so I parked on the shoulder, not far from the scene and ran to the site. Next to me was a cab from D.C., its windshield smashed out by pieces of lampposts. There werepieces of the plane all over the highway, pieces of wing, I think. (...) "There were a lot of people with severe burns, severe contusions, severe lacerations, in shock and emotional distress"
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                                                              Navy Capt. Charles Fowler : Navy Capt. Charles Fowler, assigned to the Joint Chiefs, was working on a speech for Gen. Henry Shelton, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, when he heard the explosion. "You could feel the building shake," said Fowler. "You knew it was a major explosion. I grabbed all my gear and grabbed the laptop and headed out." "The interesting part was we didn't hear the alarm go off, but word got around very fast. It was an orderly evacuation" Fowler's office, on the river side, appeared to be on the opposite side from the explosion, he said. "Tons of smoke was coming up from the wedge-lots of black and gray smoke."
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                                                              Dan Fraunfelter : After the meeting, just before 9:30 a.m., the young engineer grabbed a subcontractor to help him repair a damaged ceiling grid on the third floor of the Pentagon's E-Ring. The two were in the middle of the job when a strange sound ripped through the room. It lasted just a split second, says Fraunfelter, "A strange sucking, whirring sound, like a loud vacuum cleaner." Then the sound stopped, the building shook violently, and the lights went out.
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                                                              Captain Stephen S. Frost, Medical Corps : We saw many blast injuries
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                                                              Kat Gaines, heading south on Route 110, approached the parking lots, saw a low-flying jetliner strike the top of nearby telephone poles. "
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                                                              Dr Goff :"We used every aspect of our medical training that day to treat victims suffering from injuries ranging from inhalation and blast injuries to all levels of burns to emotional trauma,"
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                                                              Gilah Goldsmith, personnel attorney at the Pentagon. When she got to her office sometime around 9, she phoned her daughter and heard "an incredible whomp noise." It didn't seem so unusual since her office is situated near a narrow area where trucks sometimes come by and hit the wall. Goldsmith was told to evacuate. "We saw a huge black cloud of smoke," she said, saying it smelled like cordite, or gun smoke.
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                                                              Afework Hagos, a computer programmer, was on his way to work but stuck in a traffic jam near the Pentagon when the plane flew over. "There was a huge screaming noise and I got out of the car as the plane came over. Everybody was running away in different directions. It was tilting its wings up and down like it was trying to balance. It hit some lampposts on the way in."
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                                                              Asework Hagos, 26, of Arlington, was driving on Columbia Pike on his way to work as a consultant for Nextel. He saw a plane flying very low and close to nearby buildings. "I thought something was coming down on me. I know this plane is going to crash. I've never seen a plane like this so low." He said he looked at it and saw American Airline insignia and when it made impact with the Pentagon initially he saw smoke, then flames.
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                                                              Harrington was working on the installation of new furniture in Wedge One, when he was called out to the parking lot to talk about security with his customer moments before the crash. "About two minutes later one of my guys pointed to an American Airlines airplane 20 feet high over Washington Blvd.," Harrington said. "It seemed like it made impact just before the wedge. It was like a Hollywood movie or something.
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                                                              At about 9:20 a.m., Lt. Col. Art Haubold, a public affairs officer with air force, was in his office on the opposite side of the complex when the plane struck. "We were sitting there watching the reports on the World Trade Center. All of a sudden, the windows blew in," he said. "We could see a fireball out our window."
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                                                              From the view of the Navy Annex : After a few moments, Lt Gen Ron Kadish, Director of the Ballistic Missile Defense Organization entered the Secure Conference Room to pursue the day's activities and do real work. This office, with two nice windows and a great view of the monuments, the Capitol and the Pentagon was "good digs" by any Pentagon standard. I walked in the office and stood peering out of the window looking at the Pentagon. As I stood there, I instinctively ducked at the extremely loud roar and whine of a jet engine spooling up. Immediately, the large silver cylinder of an aircraft appeared in my window, coming over my right shoulder as I faced the Westside of the Pentagon directly towards the heliport. The aircraft, looking to be either a 757 or Airbus, seemed to come directly over the annex, as if it had been following Columbia Pike - an Arlington road leading to Pentagon. The aircraft was moving fast, at what I could only be estimate as between 250 to 300 knots. All in all, I probably only had the aircraft in my field of view for approximately 3 seconds. The aircraft was at a sharp downward angle of attack, on a direct course for the Pentagon. It was "clean", in as much as, there were no flaps applied and no apparent landing gear deployed. He was slightly left wing down as he appeared in my line of sight, as if he'd just "jinked" to avoid something. As he crossed Route 110 he appeared to level his wings, making a slight right wing slow adjustment as he impacted low on the Westside of the building to the right of the helo, tower and fire vehicle around corridor 5. What instantly followed was a large yellow fireball accompanied by an extremely bass sounding, deep thunderous boom. The yellow fireball rose quickly as black smoke engulfed the entire Westside of the Pentagon, obscuring the whole of the heliport. I could feel the concussion and felt the shockwave of the blast impact the window of the Annex, knocking me against the desk.

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                                                              Pinned in his chair and wrapped in a shroud of thick smoke and darkness, Jerry Henson had almost given up hope. He could feel all his limbs, but they wouldn't move. It was as if he were frozen at his desk by forces he couldn't battle. Through the smoke, he mustered some pleas for help. His mind still raced to figure out what happened and whether this was real. It was 9:40 a.m., Sept. 11. (...) airliner (...) slammed into the Pentagon. "The impact was quite clear," Henson said. "But it wasn't what you would think. It was just a loud kathump. Just a loud noise." Then all his senses failed him. The plane had sliced through the emergency lighting generators leaving everything in blackness. Books and computer monitors tumbled from the shelves behind him. Then his head throbbed. Pain shot through his legs. He couldn't move. All he could taste was smoke and dust. "I knew I was wounded some place because you can tell the difference between water and blood," he said. "Blood is sticky and tacky and warm. But I couldn't tell where the blood was coming from." For 15 minutes he and two of his staff who also were trapped in the office yelled for help. They yelled for Punches, Henson's deputy. They yelled for other survivors. They yelled for anyone at all.http://www.gomemphis.com/mca/america...300676,00.html
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                                                              Inside the hell that was once his office, Jerry Henson freed his hands enough to move rubble off of his shoulders. He dislodged his head. But he couldn't move the heavy desktop from his lap. It had been 15, maybe 20 minutes since everything turned dark and painful. Still no answer from Capt. Punches. Now fires were burning closer as deposits of jet fuel ignited. "You could hear them lighting off," Henson said. "They would go 'poof,' kind of like when you light a furnace. You could hear these getting closer." The two other men in the office couldn't get to Henson, but they found a hole in the wall to crawl through. And they found help. Minutes passed slowly as Henson remained trapped in the dark and more conscious of every breath. He heard rubble crumbling and splashes like footsteps in puddles. Then he saw a slice of light. "I'm a doctor, I'm here to help you," said a voice. Navy Lt. Cmdr. David Tarantino, the doctor, and Capt. David M. Thomas Jr. had dodged slithering electrical wires and dripping solder to reach Henson. Tarantino, realizing Henson was pinned, got on his back and lifted the table top with his feet enough for Henson to slide out. Thomas and Tarantino pulled him back out through the maze. With a blur of light and a rush of fresh air, Henson knew he was safe. Jerry Henson, now 65, spent four days at nearby Arlington Hospital Center. Doctors sewed up the gash in the back of his head and on his chin. His neck was sprained, his back was sore, and he still needed treatment for smoke inhalation. "I was eager to get out," he said. "I thought the sooner I was able to get walking and breathing, the better I'd avoid pneumonia and things like that."
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                                                              Nicholas Holland, an engineer with AMEC Construction Management of Bethesda, Md., had spent the last two years working to reinforce the walls. Two summers ago, a blast wall of reinforced steel and concrete was installed right where the plane hit. It stood for 25 minutes after it was hit before collapsing, long enough for people to escape, Holland said.
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                                                              Hovis, Tom
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                                                              Being a former transport type (60's era) I cannot understand how that plane hit where it didgiving the direction the aircraft was taking at the time. As most know, the Pentagon lies at the bottom of two hills from the west with the east side being next to the river at 14th street bridge. One hill is at the Navy Annex and the other is Arlington Cemetery. The plane came up I-395 also known as Shirley Hwy. (most likely used as a reference point.) The plane had been seen making a lazy pattern in the no fly zone over the White House and US Cap. Why the plane did not hit incoming traffic coming down the river from the north to Reagan Nat'l. is beyond me . Strangely, no one at the Reagan Tower noticed the aircraft. Andrews AFB radar should have also picked up the aircraft I would think. Nevertheless, the aircarft went southwest near Springfield and then veered left over Arlington and then put the nose down coming over Ft Myer picking off trees and light poles near the helicopter pad next to building. It was as if he leveled out at the last minute and put it square into the building. The wings came off as if it went through an arch way leaving a hole in the side of the building it seems a little larger than the wide body of the aircraft. The entry point was so clean that the roof (shown in news photo) fell in on the wreckage. They are just now getting to the passengers today. The nosewheel I understand is in the grass near the second ring. Right now it is estimated that it will take two years to repair the damage. Ironcally, the area had just been remodeled with most of the area was still blocked off and some offices were empty. I know a young Army Major who went to a planned staff meeting at 8:30 am sharp. He left his office and attended the meeting, there was something he needed. He called his friend also a major near his office on his cell phone. As they were talking his friend said, My God a plane has just came through near your office "(which was not part of the new area, but near it ). Fire rolled down the hallway, somehow his friend on the phone ducked down another hallway. Four of the Major's friends did not make it. Incidently, the fireball also went along the outside of the building as shown by the blackend side of the building to left of the impact point. The reason the fire took so long to put out was because the attic was filled with "horse hair" for insulation put there in 1942 when the building was built.
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                                                              Hunt, Bob
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                                                              [TD="width: 654"][LEFT]office when the explosion at the Pentagon occurred. "About a third of the sky was blacked with smoke", He said. Hunt was in contact with this office via e-mail on September 11 until he left work and decided to walk, rather than catch a crowded subway. "I talked to a number of average people in route who said they saw the plane hovering over the Washington Mall Area at an altitude lower that the height of the Washington Monument" Hunt stated. He said they rep
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                                                              • Auto Donk
                                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                                • 09-03-13
                                                                • 43558

                                                                #801
                                                                Originally posted by Snowball
                                                                AutoDonk how come you don't believe the woman who was in the building
                                                                and she even shows her worker ID in the video.
                                                                There was no plane. Tim Roemer says "missile" before correcting himself.
                                                                Rumsfeld did the same thing. Rumsfeld even said there was no plane wreckage.
                                                                You really aren't opening your ears, pal. All the tapes are confiscated. The missile
                                                                hit exactly the department that was auditing why 2 trillion was missing from the Pentagon
                                                                budget. This is a very deep rabbit hole - I don't know why you are so naive.
                                                                You seem like a somewhat intelligent person who has life experiences with people
                                                                who are less then honest in their dealings but for some reason just can't get over the
                                                                fact that the people of the US were lied to about 9.11 and other crimes.
                                                                the black chick wasn't sure wtf happened.... why don't u follow your own advice and read the f'n eyewitness accounts of hundreds of people WHO SAW THE F'N JET HIT THE PENTAGAON..... Most people inside the pentagon weren't sure wtf had happened; but hundreds of witnesses on the outside SAW THE FUKKIN' JET!!!!!!!!!!!

                                                                look at the photos from inside the pentagon, some links posted above, showing jet pieces/equipment INSIDE THE PENTAGON....

                                                                IT TOOK ME ALL OF FIVE MINS, ONCE I DECIDED TO LOOK FOR IT, TO FIND AMPLE EVIDENCE OF JET LINER INVOLVEMENT.

                                                                open your eyes and ears, snowy!!!!! quit ignoring the obvious and seizing on bullshit missile theories.....

                                                                one thing over and over we hear is how the jet took out lamposts, from dozens of f'n witnesses.... and we see lamposts down, in dozens of photos..... no f'n missile is wide enough to have done that..........

                                                                GET OVER IT...... A F'N JET HIT THE F'N PENTAGON!!!!!!!!!!
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                                                                • Snowball
                                                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                  • 11-15-09
                                                                  • 30054

                                                                  #802
                                                                  There are alternative explanations for every single one of those conflicting
                                                                  accounts. They don't even match one another. They couldn't even match
                                                                  the plane parts right just like in New York. Missiles can be dressed to look
                                                                  like planes. Planes can be converted into missiles. It was not a commercial
                                                                  jetliner full of people. It was a missile. You cannot fly a commercial jetliner
                                                                  that low off the ground at such a high speed and perfectly hit. Even the hole
                                                                  is too small. Nothing is right. I'm sure some people were paid off or told to say
                                                                  things for their jobs too.

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                                                                  • Auto Donk
                                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                                    • 09-03-13
                                                                    • 43558

                                                                    #803
                                                                    all these random witnesses, some miles apart, who told others what they saw from their homes, hotel rooms, offices, etc., before anyone with the gov't could get to them, mentioned seeing the silver plane....

                                                                    snowy, waive the white flag.... these people were not plants, paid off to lie, they were real americans like me and many others on this site, who saw what they saw-- and heard.

                                                                    In any given situation, where dozens of witnesses see the exact same event, and then are asked to state what they saw, their accounts will vary........... the only thing suspicious would have been if they all told the exact same story....

                                                                    bottom line is that I have no doubt, after an hour of researching the issue, that a jetliner hit the pentagon.....

                                                                    cruise missiles don't take out lampposts, and don't carry thousands of gallons of jet fuel......... over and over these themes run through the accounts given by independent witnesses; and when coupled with the testimony of hundreds who saw a FUKKIN JET, there is no doubt in my mind that a fukkin' jet hit the pentagon

                                                                    I wish the feds would release ALL the photographic and video evidence in their possession, so we could end paranoid bullshit of the type this thread is based upon
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                                                                    • ttwarrior1
                                                                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                      • 06-23-09
                                                                      • 28454

                                                                      #804
                                                                      ha, you should be able to hear that plane from long away. It wasn't that loud. A plane that loud is almost deafening from that high to people on the ground. Of course they heard a plane but not very loud.

                                                                      I never said a penetrating plane didn't hit it.

                                                                      Originally posted by Auto Donk
                                                                      obviously you've been wasting too much time putting on make up and women's clothing.... most eyewitnesses describe the loud roar of jet engines; indeed, in the video of the jet hitting the first tower to be struck, you yourself can hear it as it flies overhead in the vid.....

                                                                      as for the pentagon, dozens and dozens of witnesses near the scene described hearing the screaming jet engines, which the pilot "gunned" right at the point of impact........
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                                                                      • rkelly110
                                                                        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                        • 10-05-09
                                                                        • 39691

                                                                        #805
                                                                        Even then Donk.........they still wouldn't believe. Anything they do not experience themselves, didn't happen.
                                                                        If it did, the govt did it.
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