Well lookie here... Just on que.
they are witty though, able to mix in fabrications in hopes they can label it all " conspiracy theory tin foil hat " stuff ...
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Well lookie here... Just on que.
they are witty though, able to mix in fabrications in hopes they can label it all " conspiracy theory tin foil hat " stuff ...Comment -
The so-called "atheists" want to force the hand of God, to make him "reveal himself".
That cannot happen without the loss of free will, and without free will, there is no salvation
because there is no love of God... God has to work within you to save you from this world.
Eventually, the atheists will worship the Devil's Son... because Antichrist will provide the
"proof" they demand... and they will be damned along with him.
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This is true, God is not into coercion ... He is more likely to be fluent with people of faith, who believe and trust Him then those who don't. Once He resurrected did He come back to see those who didn't believe Him to say I told you so?, nay... He came back to those who already had faith from the start and followed Him, the apostles.
He is more likely to show up in a believers life than a nonbeliever ... He loves all but will show signs and gifts to the blessed who have faith and love for Jesus.Comment -
I'm glad you said that, loss of free will.The so-called "atheists" want to force the hand of God, to make him "reveal himself".
That cannot happen without the loss of free will, and without free will, there is no salvation
because there is no love of God... God has to work within you to save you from this world.
Eventually, the atheists will worship the Devil's Son... because Antichrist will provide the
"proof" they demand... and they will be damned along with him.
I know this section is reserved for God, but since you post in the political section, I have to bring up your boy.
Notice he's against the press? Notice he hates being singled out and picked on? Notice how he's a law and order
candidate? How about a heavy military backer?
This might be way out there, but if he's given the chance, he'd use all of the above to stop free will.
Is Trump the armageddon candidate? Islamist terrorists are saying they are bringing on armageddon.
Will Trump use nukes against ISIS to help bring armageddon on?
I know you guys like his tough talk against the other guys, but what if he gets tough with us?Comment -
Minny over 38.5Comment -
rkelly, Trump is a good man...
he is legit and has lots of life exp.
he is just a regular guy, not a faker.
but this thread is indeed reserved for
GOD. SBR needs a God place where posters can chill with the Boss.Comment -
You think this is going to make people like you? ...I'm assuring it won't. Disrespectful .. You always seem to put yourself in these situation, whatever bob.. Bonafide catholic though, thanks for passing by..Comment -
"I only fear death, nothing else. You can't do anything in fear. You have to be tranquil and believe."
- Miguel Cabrera in The Miami Herald (February 28, 2004)
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I am an atheist because the bible is full of contradictions and bullshit. God is supposed to be a loving God but a lot of the things in the Bible are flat our horrible. The sad thing is, a lot of the people that fake like they believe in God, just because they are afraid Hell may exist, don't even know what the hell the Bible says and they don't even know what they are worshiping.
Slavery
Exodus 21:20-21 – "If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property."
Colossians 3:22-24 – "Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord. Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for men, since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward. It is the Lord Christ you are serving."
Ephesians 6:5 - "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ."
Women
A wife is a man’s property: You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor. Exodus 20:17
Daughters can be bought and sold: If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do. Exodus 21:7
A raped daughter can be sold to her rapist: 28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives. Deuteronomy 22:28-29
Collecting wives and sex slaves is a sign of status: He [Solomon] had seven hundred wives of royal birth and three hundred concubines, and his wives led him astray. 1 Kings 11:3
Used brides deserve death: If, however the charge is true and no proof of the girl’s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. Deuteronomy 22:20-21.Comment -
Yea that really doesn't seem right to me either.Comment -
God is all loving....yet he massacred pretty much the entire human race in a flood even though one of the 10 commandants says "Thou shall not kill".
Do God's rules not apply to God?
Also, after the flood, humans still disappointed God so he had to try his plan for a third time and send his son down as a sacrifice.
If God is all knowing, why did he have to revise his great plan three times? How could he not see the failures of his plan coming?
First Adam and Eve Failed him. Then Moses failed him....Finally he just sent down his son as a sacrifice for man but that gift had a string attached. See, the sacrifice wasn't enough. You still had to worship and praise God for everything even though he offered his son as a sacrifice. Even then, man still failed him.
If God created everything, that means he created a world in which disease, natural disasters, and pain and suffering exists. Why? All for his amusement?
Religious people will blindly defend God and say it's man's fault and he gave us free will. Why would God even create man if he knew most of us would goto hell and suffer for eternity? That seems like an asshole thing to do to me.
I'm screwed because I have a brain that tells me it's ridiculous to believe in this non-sense. Why did God even create me? He could have just not let me exist, I wouldn't have gone to hell for being a non-believer, and it wouldn't have effected my free will.
It seems like a pretty f*cked up system in which people are born into where they have only two choices, worship a God that is easily doubted to even exist, or goto hell for eternity.Last edited by BigDofBA; 08-22-16, 10:54 PM.Comment -
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People weren't as advanced back then as we are today. The Bible was written before people even thought the world was flat.
Religion has caused more death and wars than anything else in history. Religion has also held back minorities and women. Religion has also held back critical thinking and advancement.
Brainfreeze, what do you think of the scriptures I quoted in regards to women and slavery? Do you think this is how people should live? This is exactly what the Bible says. You can't defend it or spin it in a positive light like you can other things.
I flat out think those are horrible things for both women and minorities. Does this make me a bad person?Comment -
your statements just aren't adding up, I just showed some VERY critical and rational minds through times past that were Christian, to say " thinking was held back " doesn't help your argument. The Jews themselves were slaves with a lot of bad things happening to them when they went against Gods conditions. As for women, there is order, God, man, woman=children, family, neighbors, pets, but these days you see more people buying pet treats and toys than you seeing them help their fellow man... You say advancement, I say declining...Comment -
You think we're declining because we no longer have slavery like that which was preached in the bible?
The bible says it's ok to beat your slaves.
What about women? Do you think women are the property of men? Do you think a father should be able to sell his daughter? Do you think if a girl gets raped, it's ok to sell her to her rapist?
These are straight from the scripture I quoted on the last page.
ISIS also thinks man is declining and they want us to behave like we did in the Stone Age. They believe in God.Last edited by BigDofBA; 08-23-16, 10:14 PM.Comment -
It doesn't say that... Bad interpretation, sad really... I don't know who you're listening to, but to absorb this nonsense, is a complete waste of time.. Open your heart, and be open to different perspectives (like a Christian) instead of someone that has no clue (atheist) yet trying to teach you what the Bible says..
start with post 5150
also quick question ... Do you think a nuclear war with Russia is progress? Do you think the world in its current state progressed?Last edited by brainfreeze; 08-23-16, 10:31 PM.Comment -
When was there ever a nuclear war with Russia? That never happened. Your arguments aren't adding up. Back to the Bible verses no one can explain....
"If, however the charge is true and no proof of the girl’s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death." Deuteronomy 22:20-21
So you're telling me it doesn't say this and it's a bad interpretation?
Then what does it say? What is your interpretation?
Anyone can google the scripture I quoted. That's exactly what it says.
Religious people constantly brush these verses under the rug and don't explain them when asked.
When I get into debates with people that act like they believe in God, they don't even know what the majority of the Bible says. Maybe that's why I don't believe in it, I've actually read a lot it. I question things. I don't blindly believe something because I've been told to.
There are some really good stories and lessons in the Bible but there are also a lot of horrible stories and methods about how a person should live. Then there are countless contradictions.
Please explain what that verse means since I'm not "interpreting" it correctly.Comment -
That's exactly what you are doing and arguing it...
And the question is do they have nukes, and are they prepared to use them if necessary ..
you ask several questions in your last post so hard to determine which one is bad interpretation or just bad understanding all together.. I was speaking of " a father selling he's raped daughter " it's bad interpretation...So I guess this one "duete 22:20-21" is the one you want to talk about now...
yes, this was the punishment for being a whore back then... I think it would discourage other women not to do the same because these were the consequences ... Also please don't cut off pieces of verses, it's a rude way to argue your point, just be upfront and forthcoming and we will go far ..
The rest of Deuteronomy 22:21 says this " because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you. "
Now think if women knew these were the consequences of being a whore today? Would they all still be " twerking " and wearing shorts up their tail... I don't think so, and they would have more respect for themselves...but their lives become very fragile and hollow in the long run, so I guess beauty can be a blessing or a curse .. Now do I think these laws were a little harsh, it's arguable, but (it's Gods laws not mine) it kept Israel holy, and that was the idea... Now look at the degradation that we see 5,000 years later.. But there's that " progress " you speak of right?Comment -
So does God approve of calling women whores? I love how religious people try to act all righteous and then they resort to name calling.
So it's ok to stone a women to death if she isn't a virgin? Are you married? Do you have a g/f? If so, was your wife or g/f a virgin???? It's highly unlikely. Would it be ok for me to call her a whore and stone here to death? If you had a daughter and she got raped, would you sell her to her rapist like the Bible says? Do you see my point?
Exodus 21:20-21 – "If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property."
So what's your take on this one bud? Is it ok to have slaves and beat them since it's "God's law and not yours"?
Are you going to come up with derogatory name for slaves, dance around the subject, and justify that one too? Maybe I put too many facts out there. Just answer these questions with a yes or no.
It's ok to stone women if they aren't virgins? Yes or No
It's ok to beat slaves as long as they don't die? Yes or No
This is what your religion preaches. You probably weren't aware of this and really had to google it. I'm glad you did to. Most religious people don't even really know what the Bible says.
Again, I encourage people to google some of these verses or go buy a bible and look them up. These are "God's" words, not mine. LOLLast edited by BigDofBA; 08-23-16, 11:52 PM.Comment -
I'm not coming up with anything and " name calling " ... This is WHAT THE SCRIPTURE SAYS that you just so happened to " leave off " ... but if she's whorish dude, she's whorish... are you saying that it's holy to be a whore ? What's your point here? Btw, what did Jesus do with the adulterous woman the Pharisees brought before Him, He said " He without sin cast the first stone " ... The law was fulfilled JESUS SAVED HER, as He does to this very day with plenty women just alike... Then He told her " go, and sin no more " ...
Again, the Jews were slaves, or did you forget ..I thought you read bible stories, " LET MY PEOPLE GO " Doesn't ring any bells? They were the pharohs possession for generations and Babylons for many more years ... He doesn't discriminate, THERE IS REASON, why things are the way they are... and in these incidences it was because of DISOBEDIENCE to God, there is PUNISHMENT ...
and don't worry about my personal life, talk about me if you want but leave my family be buddy...got it? Good... If not, keep it pushing nothing else to discuss here..Comment -
I'm obviously not here for cyber friends. Not concerned if I'm liked, especially by the majority of the atheists in this thread I would never associate with. I'm also not the least bit concerned if you were somehow offended, as nothing I posted was disrespectful. Exactly what situation do I always put myself in?
You're correct, I'm a bonafide Catholic. Love my God as much as you. But I don't feel the need to constantly quote scripture ad nauseam like you, to get my points across.whatever bob.. Bonafide catholic though
You're quite welcome.thanks for passing by.Comment -
I don't know what you're here for bob, and I don't concern myself with it... You bring enough trouble to yourself on your own " no account to God " only yourself ... and I'm not to worried about what you say either way, you will bring your own hell to yourself in this life and the next with your attitude with the delusion you know God, talking how you talk, and acting how you act ... But to say " there needs to be a bruce springsteen thread " because there's a God thread is completely disrespectful to the Most High, but don't worry.. You will have to answer for your words ... and that's no gamble, it's a promise bob... You ought to choose your words more wisely, but for someone claiming to know God and constantly priding themselves and calling others losers all day, you're more confused than the next ... You think you know HimComment -
Really? What kind of trouble do I bring onto myself?
So you want to pretend you're God now, saying you know I'm going to Hell. May God have mercy on your pathetic soul.you will bring your own hell to yourself in this life and the next
Oh no, I'm going to Hell because pea brain said so. I'm petrified as a forest now.
I'm pretty sure God listens to the Boss. But in the rare event He doesn't, I'll take my chances with my comment.But to say " there needs to be a bruce springsteen thread " because there's a God thread is completely disrespectful to the Most High
Correct, & much better than you'll ever know Him.You think you know Him
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Do you have to ask?... Sigh
what I'm telling you, you do not act or walk as Jesus would... Yes, if you died in your sleep tonight I fear for your soul bob, open your heart, truly accept Jesus & turn your life around. Be a good person and not a prideful arrogant jerk all day only causing strife..So you want to pretend you're God now, saying you know I'm going to Hell. May God have mercy on your pathetic soul..
even if God did " listen " what makes you think he deserves his own thread and relate that because God has one ? Are you sick? On medicine ? I'm concerned for you, repent ..and don't talk like that. but yes, your comments will be answered for, hope you have good explanation.. I'm pretty sure God listens to the Boss. But in the rare event He doesn't, I'll take my chances with my comment.
your fantasies aren't entertaining ..and you're literally the only one who believes them....Correct, & much better than you'll ever know Him.
lol, your pope said allah is god ... you're a muslim, hindu, at this point...and I'm not arguing just giving you the facts, that's what I do here.... Now, I strongly suggest you stop arguing with a Catholic & get back preaching to the AtheistsComment -
Still no one has proven to me one way or another.Comment -
Yes, I do have to ask. As I don't consider getting stiffed multiple times & post up stolen my problem, nor trouble that I initiated. However, I'll respond to these unethical actions by other forum members however Waves sees fit. I'm not concerned with your ignorant label as a troublemaker, since it's not the case.
Coming from a guy with your shady past, hopefully God forgives your laundry list of sins. When people steal from me on this site, you're obviously going to hear from me. I'm not concerned if that bothers you. Not sure how me being an innocent victim, is perceived by you as causing trouble.what I'm telling you, you do not act or walk as Jesus would... Yes, if you died in your sleep tonight I fear for your soul bob, open your heart, truly accept Jesus & turn your life around. Be a good person and not a prideful arrogant jerk all day only causing strife.
I know I'm a good person, & my actions on this site have demonstrated that: I have more charity donations & gave out way more loans to posters in need, than you & the majority here. I even loaned pts out to you before. Instead of ordering all that pizza, think about helping the kids.
God loves the Boss as much as I do. God is not envious or jealous of the Boss, as He created him. I'm sure God will agree with me the Boss deserves a thread as well. If God disagrees with me, I'm not concerned He will punish me for my opinion. It was obviously no disrespect to God, as I admitted God deserves this thread.even if God did " listen " what makes you think he deserves his own thread and relate that because God has one ? Are you sick? On medicine ? I'm concerned for you, repent ..and don't talk like that. but yes, your comments will be answered for, hope you have good explanation.
I'm not sick, but do take a lot of medicine. Take about 13 pills a day for these conditions: blood thinner (heart attack last year), diabetes, neuropathy, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, etc... I'm fine & don't need you concern. The few sins I had were repented long ago during confession, & I attend mass regularly.
No clue what "fantasies" you're eluding to. I live & speak reality, not fantasy.your fantasies aren't entertaining ..and you're literally the only one who believes them.
You're a fountain of misinformation, it's why you've failed to convert even one atheist in this whole thread. Again, I'm Catholic & believe in God. I don't need your concern or support. Your time would be much better served educating the Atheists accurately, than trying to pick a fight with me.lol, your pope said allah is god ... you're a muslim, hindu, at this point...and I'm not arguing just giving you the facts, that's what I do here...Comment -
You're a interesting character .. You've come this far along in a thread about God, yet still feel there isn't one. What do you gain by coming here to preach why there is no God? If you feel that way, ok...(you've argued your point) move on, why come here and bump your agenda? Whether you know it or not you're promoting a side, I hope you know who you're rooting for here, it's satan...
But yea, you want people to believe it's all hog wash though for thousands of years people (Kings, prominent figures, jew, gentile) have studied it and worshiped YahWeh, Jesus, & the Holy Spirit...but d here showed us his understanding of a few scriptures and that's going to change someone's mind, sigh... I'll pray for you..sounds like you're still struggling in confusion. Your will to do so...Comment -
So you're taking 13 pills everyday for all these sicknesses? Where is your supposed god to help prevent or to heal you? You are so ignorant and don't know shit.
You dying of a heart attack would do this society great. You stiffed over $100,000 points from down south and autodonk and you want to come out and criticize someone else for doing it? Fk u punk and everything you stand for. You think repenting to a false religion will make everything you did bad go away or be all good again? The FACT that you need a religion to justify your thoughts and bad acts against others shows a lot about your character and how weak minded you are.
No one that knows you or anybody online wouldn't miss you or even notice you gone if you died. You are a weak minded follower incapable of any logical thought.Comment -
You are always getting yourself in mess with forum members because you like to be prideful and boastful, and you like stirring hate calling others losers and names, you are confused ...
you're right, my past isn't great, but I am forgiven as I have accepted forgiveness (God tells us call on Jesus and accept Him, we are forgiven) and am moving forward with my life. I've shown that I've changed and am constantly changing to better myself and live sinless..but we aren't talking about my past (which is also a testament of my present how God can change a wretch that I was)...we are talking about your present..
Coming from a guy with your shady past, hopefully God forgives your laundry list of sins. When people steal from me on this site, you're obviously going to hear from me. I'm not concerned if that bothers you. Not sure how me being an innocent victim, is perceived by you as causing trouble.
you don't know what I've done, or given...all you can account for is points... (Which I've donated a lot of as well) and what type of " good " person walks around prideful and arrogantly calling people " losers for taking out point loans " ... You act like a jerk bob, you don't come off loving or good at all...and when you try to you only wash it in with more of your own nonsense...
I know I'm a good person, & my actions on this site have demonstrated that: I have more charity donations & gave out way more loans to posters in need, than you & the majority here. I even loaned pts out to you before. Instead of ordering all that pizza, think about helping the kids.
are you trying to tell us what musicians God likes and doesn't ? God created all people who turn musicians, do you think he's with ozzy as he's biting off bats heads or manson as he says hail satan? ..again, more of your confusion passing through..but hint of advise " don't put musicians on any levels with God " and the only thing I'm sure of is you're confused ..I'll let God speak for Himself.
God loves the Boss as much as I do. God is not envious or jealous of the Boss, as He created him. I'm sure God will agree with me the Boss deserves a thread as well. If God disagrees with me, I'm not concerned He will punish me for my opinion. It was obviously no disrespect to God, as I admitted God deserves this thread.
thats the problem, you don't know when you're sinning ...you really need to keep on your mind " what would Jesus do " in situations ...but then again you think God wants a musician " to have his own thread to " ..crazy talk, but go ahead bob...as for attending " mass ", you are only fooling yourself, change will come from God not from thinking " your good " and attending " mass "...feeling all churchy on Sunday's then back to calling people names and causing strife on Mondays....
I'm not sick, but do take a lot of medicine. Take about 13 pills a day for these conditions: blood thinner (heart attack last year), diabetes, neuropathy, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, etc... I'm fine & don't need you concern. The few sins I had were repented long ago during confession, & I attend mass regularly.
you think you know God, the way you carry yourself, you show you do not ... I think if you humbled yourself and stopped being such a haughty spirit than you could know God,.
No clue what "fantasies" you're eluding to. I live & speak reality, not fantasy.
i haven't failed anything... When did I say I came here " just for atheist " that has never been the objective. It was to share the Word, to share what God has done; and the knowledge, understanding, and wisdom he's given to me...maybe to strengthen someone's faith that already believed, maybe to convert someone that didn't know about God, maybe to give some a better understanding about God, and yes to even talk to atheist or some who think they do know God " but have it all wrong " ... There's plenty of reasons, all just as important as the next, but the page still thrives and has 40k views, so I'm satisfied " God is good " and He's moving through people's hearts and minds....
You're a fountain of misinformation, it's why you've failed to convert even one atheist in this whole thread. Again, I'm Catholic & believe in God. I don't need your concern or support. Your time would be much better served educating the Atheists accurately, than trying to pick a fight with me
im not picking any fight with you. I'm just giving you the facts. It was a disrespectful comment, and you only dig on by telling yourself " you know what God thinks " ...and there is no misinfo I'm spreading YOUR POPE HAD A MUSLIM IMAM OVER TO SING IN VATICAN FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HISTORY, these are FACTS ...he isn't the first pope to do crazy things though...Last edited by brainfreeze; 08-24-16, 03:33 PM.Comment -
pretty weird how god let all those kids die at Sandy HookComment
