ROFL The Guy who killed because he couldn't get pussy.

[Vaughany]

Vaughnay I appreciate you input on all the soccer picks, but can you please not use the R-word. My son has Down Syndrome. It is disrespectful to all people with disabilities as much as using the N word to African Americans. You are right about Down Syndrome being on a spectrum like Autism. Our son(2 years old) is a loving person and no matter what the level of disability he ends up having he deserves to be respected and given the same opportunities as others in society. Every time something like this happens everyone seems to lump all people with some kind of disability as something to be feared. The point is to educate and people would be more understanding.Your description of a person with a severe case of Down was a bit harsh, but I realize you are not a parent of a person that has just a little extra chromosome in their genetic make up. I hope I made you understand.

-beefcake-

I apologize. I use the word retarded too much, I should of used a different term, it's force of habit - I dont mean it with malice. I actually have a cousin who has down-syndrome (which is why I mentioned it) and he pretty much has the worse possible level of it - again I could of said "he shiits himself" in a more tactile and politically correct manner, I didnt mean it in a derogatory sense - it's just an unfortunate fact that he does because he has the mental age of a 2 year old.

[Vaughany]

Who ever diagnosed him with Asperger's syndrome was obviously wrong. Asperger's is supposed to be non violent
but makes you socially inept.

Instead of his father reporting him to the police, he should've got him help. What kind of parent calls the cops on
their kid? Says a lot about his sorry ass. Now people are dead including his son. He should pay the piper.

Well, aspergers usually gets diagnosed at an early age so at that time a kid who is very young isnt going to be displaying the thoughts like Elliot Rodger was at the age of 22. A Narcissist usually doesn't get diagnosed until adolescence - tis one of the main differences between the two conditions.

Yes the father should of gotten him help, but that should of been done way before the age of 22. If you see a video and other things that suggests he is going to go on a rampage killing sorority girls it's probably a bit late to get help - the first thought was probably that he needs to be controlled - hence call the police.

[beefcake]

I apologize. I use the word retarded too much, I should of used a different term, it's force of habit - I dont mean it with malice. I actually have a cousin who has down-syndrome (which is why I mentioned it) and he pretty much has the worse possible level of it - again I could of said "he shiits himself" in a more tactile and politically correct manner, I didnt mean it in a derogatory sense - it's just an unfortunate fact that he does because he has the mental age of a 2 year old.

Thank you.

[SharkAA]

If he wanted to lose his virginity so much, he could get himself a hooker. Problem would be solved and zero people would be dead.

[itchypickle]

watched a piece on the story this morning and they are saying police found 3 of the victims dead in his apartment....of stab wounds.

Must have been a gay orgy gone wrong or else how did this kid, 150 pounds at most.....murder 3 other adult men and make it out to start the shooting? Did he drug them and slice and dice once they were out? Typically the media has already shifted reporting to the press conference of the father of a guy shot on the street in the incident since they dad blames the murder spree on the NRA and not the murderer or the fact that a knife initiated half the murders here so we will probably not get much more info on the origination of the killings.

[Kermit]

The guy was apparently was a member of some kind of wacky anti-woman group.

[Vaughany]

If he wanted to lose his virginity so much, he could get himself a hooker. Problem would be solved and zero people would be dead.

The "he killed because he wanted to lose his virginity" is just media headline sensationalism bullshiit! Its not quite as simple as that. He clearly wanted attention and women to like him...not just to get laid. I highly doubt that getting laid once with a hooker would solve the deep-rooted pyschological issues he has. Do you think he'd suddenly be a normal dude if he'd got laid once?

[gauchojake]

Anyone on the spectrum should not be able to own guns. Parents need to be held accountable too. Frankly most of these people need to be wards of the state. Sad.

[gauchojake]

And seriously, if you can't get laid at UCSB you just aren't trying. It's 16,000 horny college students living in one square mile. You can literally trip and get your dick wet.

[Mase of Base]

Read a fair bit of his manifesto (creepy I know but it was quite interesting, he was very articulate). His parents knew something was up for a long while and obviously tried to get him help which he mentions. He says he was diagnosed with something (I assume aspergers but he doesn't say) but didn't think he had it so refused medication.

Seems his folks just thought he was socially awkward and okay mentally and tried to force almost friends on him through childhood, this did work a little. He had zero chance of ever making friends on his own because of how he was socially, zero.

Seems at the end of school he started losing the plot and it snowballed rapidly but he hid it very well by the looks so blaming the parents is off imo they did try. His best friend saw the writing on the wall (probably not to the extent of what happened) and cut him off which showed how he was to hang out with in public.

Surprised how often he went out, he must of looked awfully awkward just sitting around waiting to get hit on. He never mentions making an approach to any women and the anger brewed as they wouldn't come talk to him. And he definitely didn't seem gay as has been mentioned.

Really unfortunate incident, hard to say it could of been avoided as he did so well to hide it (bet know one but him knew about throwing hot coffee on people and that he tried to push those girls off the balcony that were close to him) and by the time people around him knew what was up it was to late and this was always going to happen. He was never going to admit to himself that he had a problem so I can't see how he would of stayed on medication.

So sad that innocent people have lost their lives because of this guy.

[thetrinity]

I'm definitely in the "gay" camp after watching his dancing in the car video.

[bruins35]

I'm definitely in the "gay" camp after watching his dancing in the car video.

you went to a gay camp?

[thetrinity]

i mean i agree with the guys who thought he was gay and couldnt deal with it

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-isla-vista-document-20140524-story.html#page=2

this is quite disturbing stuff right here

[CarpeDime]

anyone who says "I can't get laid" is really saying "my standards are too high"

everyone can get laid by someone, just not necessarily the ones they want

it was expressed as perfectly as it can be expressed, by King Of All Blacks to Big Black The Black Nerd, on the Howard Stern show, many years ago

King Of All Blacks said to Big Black The Black Nerd "I mean, you can get a girl. But she's gonna be like you. Do you like you?"

it cannot be said better

everyone can get laid, but the people they are gonna be able to get laid with are gonna be like you. Do you like you?

This guy should've started out REAL low, with like some 4.5, maybe some first generation immigrant, a ch*nese bitch, indonesian b*tch, whatever, someone with iffy English maybe, and worked his way up

[Eddy Munny]

What CarpeDime is trying to say is that when he tried and failed to get pussy, he tweaked the gameplan a tad, and just started bangin dudes.

[Mase of Base]

It wouldn't of mattered if she was a 1 or a 10 and they both liked the look of each other he wouldn't of been able to communicate with her far enough to get her into bed most probably. He had a social disorder had he not he most probably would of been able to get most girls.

He keeps going on about rejection but he was never really rejected by any woman that badly, a conversation certainly never got that far for him. The only times he seemed to be rejected were when he smiled at some girls and didn't smile back so he lost the plot did a u-turn and threw coffee on them. And one where he said hello which wasn't returned (apparently).

Only chance this guy had of getting laid was if a girl walked up to him grabbed and took him to her room without a word being uttered. So 0.0000001%.

[thetrinity]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/225960813/Elliot-Rodger-Santa-Barbara-mass-shooting-suspect-My-Twisted-World-manifesto

this is the whole manifesto, very lengthy, the college parts i read some of

[Cuse0323]

watched a piece on the story this morning and they are saying police found 3 of the victims dead in his apartment....of stab wounds.

Must have been a gay orgy gone wrong or else how did this kid, 150 pounds at most.....murder 3 other adult men and make it out to start the shooting? Did he drug them and slice and dice once they were out? Typically the media has already shifted reporting to the press conference of the father of a guy shot on the street in the incident since they dad blames the murder spree on the NRA and not the murderer or the fact that a knife initiated half the murders here so we will probably not get much more info on the origination of the killings.

This bugs me...I'm sorry for the father's loss but damn, do you really need to turn it into a gun thing right away and like you said, half of it was done with a knife. The kid was going to kill regardless, he wanted to push girls off ledges...he didn't need a gun. In fact, he probably only went with a gun so that he could kill himself easier at the end.

[Kermit]

This bugs me...I'm sorry for the father's loss but damn, do you really need to turn it into a gun thing right away and like you said, half of it was done with a knife. The kid was going to kill regardless, he wanted to push girls off ledges...he didn't need a gun. In fact, he probably only went with a gun so that he could kill himself easier at the end.

Yeah. Even without a gun he could have just driven his car on campus and ran down as many people as he could through a crowded area. The weapon of choice didn't matter here at all.

[Cuse0323]

Im not saying that he wasnt a narcissist. You aren't wrong, he clearly was. The issue is that the distinction between narcissism and aspergers is a bit cloudy. I think ultimately we cant label him as being a "narcissist or as a high-functioning aspie/autistic" - he just had a mental instability! (that's what I should of put in the post above really - not "he has aspergers" - I just said that because that is what he was actually diagnosed as having but clearly it was not as simple as that!).

yes you are absolutely right...lack of awareness and education is a big issue. Hell, I wouldnt be surprised if the police who spoke to him were even aware of his condition or if they had any type of specialist there to talk with him. One of the big problems is as that there is a wide "autism" spectrum. Just like with most things it's not black and white...there are hundreds of different levels...some have it mild, some have it extreme, some in between. Take down-syndrome for instance (completely different thing) but you get down-syndrome to the point were the person has no idea that they have it and have the mental capacity of a 6 year old - they shiit themselves, they cant control emotions, they get angry of certain things, etc... and then you can get a much milder form of down-syndrome like the types you see on comedy TV programmes/movies (The Ringer, Legit, Workaholics) where they are aware of their condition and still have a certain level of independence and social ability. It seems that in regards to his aspergers condition this Elliot Roger had certain elements that were extreme and others that were not. His creepy mannerisms, creepy laugh, blank expression, obsession with certain things like women and sex is typical of somebody with hardcore autism/aspergers. But then on other hand to a certain extent he has a self-awareness and ability to do things that many with autism/aspergers cant do. At first glance he just looked like a normal kid. For instance, the kid I knew at school had it hardcore on all levels and wasnt aware of his condition at all but just looking at him you knew right away that he was retarded in some way. You would never see him driving around in a black-beamer! He would get bullied by a kid on the way to school, then he'd scream at the kid, then 5 minutes later he'd forget about it and be asking questions again (that was his thing, he would just constantly ask people questions about random things that he was obsessed with!).

To me it seems his parents have a big part in this. Seems classic typical case of big time Hollywood movie guy wannabe who didnt want to believe/accept that his darling son may have an issue and therefore didnt confront it 100% and sort of had a mish-mash perspective of "oh we know he isnt completely mentally stable, but we'll still give him a BMW and treat him like a normal kid and have him grow up around normal kids and maybe he'll just adapt and become like them"!

THen there is the issue with social media and internet which allows these "social misfits" to escape and create their own virtual world like this guy had. Also the whole martyrdom thing which is elevating - like with the Columbine massacre - Klebold wrote about how he'd go down in history and Spielberg would make a film about him. These kids become mind-warped in to thinking that their legacy is more important and that being known for something/anything even if it is evil is better than being just another nobody on a planet of billions! And like you say, it's not gonna stop anytime soon, everytime something like this happens you'll get another 100 kids who are just like him, have the exact same feelings and outlook on life, and will look at him as some kind of messiah and hero!

[peppermillrick]

Girls are swooning over this guy now on the internet. He should of thought of this sooner!

[brainfreeze]

watched a piece on the story this morning and they are saying police found 3 of the victims dead in his apartment....of stab wounds.

Must have been a gay orgy gone wrong or else how did this kid, 150 pounds at most.....murder 3 other adult men and make it out to start the shooting? Did he drug them and slice and dice once they were out? Typically the media has already shifted reporting to the press conference of the father of a guy shot on the street in the incident since they dad blames the murder spree on the NRA and not the murderer or the fact that a knife initiated half the murders here so we will probably not get much more info on the origination of the killings.

[itchypickle]

All the headlines, as of the post this morning, had been "shooter kills 6 girls because he hated women" but the reality is he'd stabbed 3 guys in the apartment then left and started the drive by shooting where shot 3 more people, two females and another guy so in total he killed more guys than he did girls and took the time to slice and dice with a knife before going on his suicide rampage. I tuned in to hear updates on the actual crime and found mostly anti NRA speeches and the usual guests saying this would have been avoided had the post sandy hook laws been passed....the typical media knee jerk advocacy. No thoughts to the fact he slaughtered 3 men with a knife or that he didn't have the dreaded extended clips nor an AR15. Point being....the kid was sick and twisted...no law would have prevented this. Hate it when people ignore the murderers and instead blame everything else.

[AussiePunter123]

The guy was clearly mentally disturbed, beyond simply frustrated at being unable to lose his virginity. Heaps of people are socially awkward and have trouble talking to girls. Having Asperger's would have made it very difficult for him in that regard. Lots of people thought this guy was good looking.

If this was a case of simply wanting sex, then a trip to a brothel would have been a tonic and probably would have got rid of the pressure of having to lose his v-plates.

The guy was mentally unstable - paranoid thoughts, delusional thoughts. Heaps of guys are shit with women, heaps of guys in their 20's and 30's are virgins. Heaps of guys can only get laid with prostitutes.

[Cuse0323]

All the headlines, as of the post this morning, had been "shooter kills 6 girls because he hated women" but the reality is he'd stabbed 3 guys in the apartment then left and started the drive by shooting where shot 3 more people, two females and another guy so in total he killed more guys than he did girls and took the time to slice and dice with a knife before going on his suicide rampage. I tuned in to hear updates on the actual crime and found mostly anti NRA speeches and the usual guests saying this would have been avoided had the post sandy hook laws been passed....the typical media knee jerk advocacy. No thoughts to the fact he slaughtered 3 men with a knife or that he didn't have the dreaded extended clips nor an AR15. Point being....the kid was sick and twisted...no law would have prevented this. Hate it when people ignore the murderers and instead blame everything else.

Even worse that it was in Cali, liberal central....the father had those thoughts previous to the unfortunate murder of his son. I don't wanna take away from the tragedy but I'm on an internet forum and he sure was ready to spout his shit pretty quickly.

[thetrinity]

this is ridiculous people trying to make this into a gun issue, its not even close to that IMO, like the one poster said he was using knives and his car.

[AussiePunter123]

Rather than hating women, IMO this guy idolized women, he felt he wasn't complete without a women hanging off his arm.

FFS, if this guy ever got to have sex, he would realise that sex is highly over-rated by a sex-obsessed society. Think about it, every where you go today there is a sex centric view of things.

The billboards on the road, the tv shows at night, hell, even watching sport on tv, there is always cheer leaders or the camera pans to a hot chick in a lull in play.

The act of sex, for most guys, is done and dusted in 1-2 minutes tops. Guys go out every weekend, spend 200-300 dollars on saturday night just looking for a 2 min romp with some drunk girl. Guys put sex on pedestal - sure, sex is great fun. But society overplays its importance and, unfortunately, most guys judge themselves on how many chicks they pick up.

It is sad.

I have been with 2 girls. I am in my mid 20's. If I ever got the point where a lack of sex was driving me up the wall, I would simply visit a prostitute. Get my rocks off and go home.

This guy was disturbed, but society hammers home the idea of the alpha male. We are all to blame IMO.

[AussiePunter123]

this is ridiculous people trying to make this into a gun issue, its not even close to that IMO, like the one poster said he was using knives and his car.

Mate, it is a gun issue, it is far too easy to buy guns in America from what I hear, especially compared to Australia.

[thetrinity]

Girls are swooning over this guy now on the internet. He should of thought of this sooner!

i bet he was better looking then 95% of sbr posters, it was a combination of horrible social skills and ridiculously high standards. perhaps he was also a bit ashamed of his asian heritage.

[thetrinity]

Mate, it is a gun issue, it is far too easy to buy guns in America from what I hear, especially compared to Australia.

i dont buy guns and i never went to australia, but this kid was going to kill anyways. could you blame the cops for showing up his home in late april and falling for his act? ya possibly. guns are WAY down on the list in this case.

[Kermit]

Judging from some of his youtube videos, I think he was gay and was struggling with that fact, but kept denying it, and then finally realized it and went off the deep end. Normal guys that can't get girls don't make videos bragging about what a loser that they are. His videos were signals for other gays.

And who were these dead guys in his apartment? The LAST thing the media wants to do now is try and paint some type of killer as a possible Gay man, even if that is the case.

[thetrinity]

Judging from some of his youtube videos, I think he was gay and was struggling with that fact, but kept denying it, and then finally realized it and went off the deep end. Normal guys that can't get girls don't make videos bragging about what a loser that they are. His videos were signals for other gays.

And who were these dead guys in his apartment? The LAST thing the media wants to do now is try and paint some type of killer as a possible Gay man, even if that is the case.

i thought he was a closet gay initially, but after reading some of his manifesto, i changed my mind.

[Kermit]

Mate, it is a gun issue, it is far too easy to buy guns in America from what I hear, especially compared to Australia.

Not a gun issue. At least not in this case. This guy was going to cause serious mayhem regardless. If you ban guns, people are going to come up with far more devious plans to create tragedy and misery. Such as poisonings and other crazy acts.

[Easy-Rider 66]

Rather than hating women, IMO this guy idolized women, he felt he wasn't complete without a women hanging off his arm.

FFS, if this guy ever got to have sex, he would realise that sex is highly over-rated by a sex-obsessed society. Think about it, every where you go today there is a sex centric view of things.

The billboards on the road, the tv shows at night, hell, even watching sport on tv, there is always cheer leaders or the camera pans to a hot chick in a lull in play.

The act of sex, for most guys, is done and dusted in 1-2 minutes tops. Guys go out every weekend, spend 200-300 dollars on saturday night just looking for a 2 min romp with some drunk girl. Guys put sex on pedestal - sure, sex is great fun. But society overplays its importance and, unfortunately, most guys judge themselves on how many chicks they pick up.

It is sad.

I have been with 2 girls. I am in my mid 20's. If I ever got the point where a lack of sex was driving me up the wall, I would simply visit a prostitute. Get my rocks off and go home.

This guy was disturbed, but society hammers home the idea of the alpha male. We are all to blame IMO.

Have to disagree. Rodger was a sociopath imo. The killing of innocent people to get revenge on society indicates that.

[LoneWolf420]

The dude wasn't gay. Liking Whitney Houston doesn't make you gay. Millions of straight men have female characteristics. He hated men because he was jealous of them and hated women because he couldn't figure them out. He was mentally disturbed, socially awkward and sexually frustrated. That's a bad combo. Women have been driving men mad since the beginning of time.