George Zimmerman Trial

[Mac4Lyfe]

All revolutions have started over what is seen as a corrupt system...

When people feel they have no choice, what do you expect them to do? You can go back since the beginning of time and see people lash out as a result of feeling helpless or oppressed.

I lived in California during the Rampart police corruption. Black, Chinese and Hispanic people did not trust the police. Over 5,000 people were wrongly imprisoned due to this corrupt division. People revolted on the entire police force. What else is at their disposal? Rodney King get's beat half to death in front of millions and black people saw the corrupt police officers go free. What recourse do they have but to revolt? I think OJ went free mainly because people did not trust the police and there was a lot of reasonable doubt that the police might have been involved. When you don't trust the people in power, what choice do you have?

I'm all for revolution when you don't have a choice or when bad people think they can get away with murder and set precedent. If Zimmerman can get away with confronting and gunning down a teenager what says someone else won't do it to your kid?

And what is really bad is that this has already happened multiple times.

[Kermit]

Personally, I think Zimmerman should do some time in jail, but not for what he is being charged with. I do not believe he intended of killing anyone that night.

[Kermit]

All revolutions have started over what is seen as a corrupt system...

It may at times be a corrupt system, but it is also one that works and overall is much more civilized than what you see in some other countries.

How would you like to be a cop with a beat in a bad section of town and have to deal with the same shit every single night? I got to give those guys credit, because I sure in the Hell wouldn't want to do it.

Black people going out and rioting and hurting or killing innocent people isn't going to solve their problem, it is only going to make it worse.

[Kermit]

Black people don't need to worry about rioting over Trayvon Martin, they should be more concerned with killing themselves. In the past year since Trayvon was killed, how many black kids younger than Trayvon have been killed in this country and the murders went unsolved?

[MoneyLineDawg]

Kermit... What does his HS attendance have to do with this case? What does him being out of control, getting thrown out of his moms house (I don't know any of the details about any of that, sounds like a lot of hearsay). What does his integrity have to do with this case? I could care less if he wasn't a choir boy. What does any of that have to do with this case? He could have been the schools bully, could have robbed a bank a few years ago. None of that is relevant to this case. Zimmerman had no idea who this kid was. He would have no way of knowing Martin was a bully, robbed a bank, got kicked out of school, got kicked out of his momma's house, etc., etc.

Bottom line, he was not committing a crime, he went to the store to buy something to drink for himself and skittles for a friend. Hell, I would agree with you if he just robbed the store or was about to rob Zimmerman. That was not the case. He was not in the commission of a crime. He was walking back from the store, minding his own business when Zimmerman followed, got out of his truck with a gun and approached him. What happened after that is anyone's guess but why does any of that matter?

You tell me how things would have been different if Zimmerman followed you, got out of his truck with a gun and approached you? What would you do? Run, fight, beg for your life? Who the hell knows but I don't think you can say that any of your reactions would be wrong. The only actions that are clearly wrong is Zimmerman following Martin (not at a safe distance), getting out of his truck and confronting him. Those 3 actions are all against the rules of the watchman training that Zimmerman took.

What straws am I grasping? I have no dog in the fight. Several SBR posters obviously have an agenda. I don't care what color either of them are. I really don't give a shit what happens. I happen to be outside of Sanford on vacation and they're showing the trial 24/7. Martin is already dead, nothing will bring him back. Zimmerman is fukked no matter what happens, he forever altered his own life. The bottom line for me is that citizens cannot be judge and jury, vigilante's going after people they think look suspicious. That is ridiculous. Imagine if I had my gun and I went around the neighborhood following and confronting people late at night? That shit is crazy. I don't think you honestly believe anyone should be doing that stupid shit, do you???

Great post man.....Pretty much my thoughts as well on this whole thing

Really don't see how you can support Zimmerman in this case, I really don't

[Mac4Lyfe]

If it's pitch black outside, how do you know someone wearing a hoody is black??? Why are you the official neighborhood recognition expert? Just because you don't recognize them should not make you suspicious? It definitely should not make you follow and confront them? Mind your own business, watch from a distance what the person does but don't come anywhere close to them at night because they could have a weapon.

Where are you getting that the neighborhood had a history of black males breaking into homes and cars? There was one other black male that was arrested for stealing stuff AND he lived in the complex. lol. Now zimmerman called the police every time he saw a black man. That much we know. He called 911, 46 times and in each case, the black man he thought was suspicious was minding their own business.

So you see a black man walking through your neighborhood. He looks suspicious. I get that. You call the police. I get that. But who will follow him around the complex in a truck? Wouldn't you stay in your house and watch from the safety of your home? Who gets in a car and follows the suspect after you called the police? Who gets out of the car and confronts said suspect? Zimmerman obviously didn't fear for his life because he got out of the car. Think about that. He had the gun, he got out of the car, he had no fear in confronting a teen (which he already identified as a young kid). He confronted him because he thought he was the shit. He thought he could shake this kid down. Next thing he knows, he's in a fight. Did Trayvon attack him when he got out of the car? We will never know. In my mind, that does not matter because if he did attack it was purely out of fear for his life. Purely egged on by GZ confronting him.

You keep talking about TM history... in 2005, Zimmerman was arrested for "resisting arrest with violence and battery on a law enforcement officer"; Is that relevant as well? I don't think so but you keep coming up with stuff that has no baring on that night???

If you're going to dismiss Trayvon's social life activities and public school behaviors like they don't matter, then that is your choice. I feel that these things are actually quite important in trying to decide if this kid had it in him to violently attack someone or not. Now maybe the courts don't think this is important, but I think that anything that shows someone's character and behavior is crucial.

If I seen a tall black person wearing a hoody walking through my neighborhood(A neighborhood that has a history of black males breaking into homes and cars) in the rain and I didn't recognize them, I would be suspicious too. I would have a hard time believing anyone out there that claimed that they felt different.

[MoneyLineDawg]

If you're going to dismiss Trayvon's social life activities and public school behaviors like they don't matter, then that is your choice. I feel that these things are actually quite important in trying to decide if this kid had it in him to violently attack someone or not. Now maybe the courts don't think this is important, but I think that anything that shows someone's character and behavior is crucial.

If I seen a tall black person wearing a hoody walking through my neighborhood(A neighborhood that has a history of black males breaking into homes and cars) in the rain and I didn't recognize them, I would be suspicious too. I would have a hard time believing anyone out there that claimed that they felt different.

You have every right to be suspicious (I would be as well) but to do what Zimmerman did, and approach a stranger like that at night in the rain is idiotic.......Fukkin shit for brains

Approaching a stranger like that with a threatening demeanor will cause violence more times than not......If you say Trayvon should have just run, that's complete Bullshit. You think it's fine for people to approach anyone they find suspicious, whenever they please, with a gun? It makes no sense to allow Zimmerman to go free here. Sets the worst precedent.

[Kermit]

Hey, I wouldn't approach a total stranger at all, especially at night. But I am not in charge of monitoring my area either. All I am saying is that from all of the evidence in this case, I do not believe Zimmerman was out to kill anyone that night.

[Mac4Lyfe]

I agree, it is very difficult being a cop. I give them a lot of credit because I sure as hell couldn't do it.

That said, there is nothing worse than a corrupt cop. A bastard with a badge that thinks he's above the law and has a gallon size ego. I've come across a few of those types and they tarnish the entire profession.

I don't think looting, shooting, killing is ever the answer, at least for me BUT I understand why/how others might feel it does. I can't tell a black person how they should feel/vent. I would hope people would follow the law but when people lose hope they are bound to do anything.

It's ironic that the city of Sanford has had a series of corruption the past few years. People do not feel they can trust the police. Things like this tend to happen in places like that because the climate is ripe.

It may at times be a corrupt system, but it is also one that works and overall is much more civilized than what you see in some other countries.

How would you like to be a cop with a beat in a bad section of town and have to deal with the same shit every single night? I got to give those guys credit, because I sure in the Hell wouldn't want to do it.

Black people going out and rioting and hurting or killing innocent people isn't going to solve their problem, it is only going to make it worse.

[MoneyLineDawg]

Hey, I wouldn't approach a total stranger at all, especially at night. But I am not in charge of monitoring my area either. All I am saying is that from all of the evidence in this case, I do not believe Zimmerman was out to kill anyone that night.

Yes, we will never know if he intended to kill anyone but he brought a deadly weapon along with him.....did something really stupid that has a good chance of escalating to violence, which it did (The whole following and confronting a stranger at night thing).....Then used said deadly weapon in the name of self defense

He may not get convicted due to some technicality or lack of evidence or whatever but it's fukkin clear as day to me who is in the wrong here common sense wise....Especially when the other guy wasn't out bothering anyone, was just on his way home and ended up dead

[Mac4Lyfe]

Which leads me to believe that Zimmerman thought he could shake this teen down. Question him and act like he was the police. No one in their right mind approaches someone like that unless they had no fear of the other person.

You have every right to be suspicious (I would be as well) but to do what Zimmerman did, and approach a stranger like that at night in the rain is idiotic.......Fukkin shit for brains

Approaching a stranger like that with a threatening demeanor will cause violence more times than not......If you say Trayvon should have just run, that's complete Bullshit. You think it's fine for people to approach anyone they find suspicious, whenever they please, with a gun? It makes no sense to allow Zimmerman to go free here. Sets the worst precedent.

[Kermit]

Where are you getting that the neighborhood had a history of black males breaking into homes and cars? There was one other black male that was arrested for stealing stuff AND he lived in the complex. lol. Now zimmerman called the police every time he saw a black man. That much we know. He called 911, 46 times and in each case, the black man he thought was suspicious was minding their own business.

This area had problems. This is why Zimmerman was appointed head of the watch.


From January 1, 2011 through February 26, 2012, police were called to The Retreat at Twin Lakes 402 times. During the 18 months preceding the February 26 shooting, Zimmerman called the non-emergency police line seven times. On five of those calls, Zimmerman reported suspicious looking men in the area, but never offered the men's race without first being asked by the dispatcher.Crimes committed at The Retreat in the year prior to Martin's death included eight burglaries, nine thefts, and one shooting.Twin Lakes residents said there were dozens of reports of attempted break-ins, which had created an atmosphere of fear in their neighborhood

Three weeks prior to the shooting, on February 2, 2012, Zimmerman called police to report a young man peering into the windows of an empty Twin Lakes home. Zimmerman was told a police car was on the way and he waited for their arrival. By the time police arrived, the suspect had fled. On February 6, workers witnessed two young black men lingering in the yard of a Twin Lakes resident around the same time her home was burglarized. A new laptop and some gold jewelry were stolen. The next day police discovered the stolen laptop in the backpack of a young black man, which led to his arrest. Zimmerman identified this young man as the same person he had spotted peering into windows on February 2

[Kermit]

Which leads me to believe that Zimmerman thought he could shake this teen down. Question him and act like he was the police. No one in their right mind approaches someone like that unless they had no fear of the other person.

You may very well be right. Unfortunately there is only one side to the story now.

[Kermit]

Just think. If Zimmerman's first name was Jorge, no one outside of Sanford would have ever heard about this.

[MoneyLineDawg]

Which leads me to believe that Zimmerman thought he could shake this teen down. Question him and act like he was the police. No one in their right mind approaches someone like that unless they had no fear of the other person.

The guy was a lunatic with violence in his past....And was also a failure in trying to become part of law enforcement.....Essentially an over-zealous "neighborhood watchman (lol)" with a chip on his shoulder......pretty fukkin dangerous if you ask me

[MoneyLineDawg]

Just think. If Zimmerman's first name was Jorge, no one outside of Sanford would have ever heard about this.

Don't really agree fully but I get your point.....the whole self defense and initially stand your ground thing was/is an interesting case

Anyone judging this case off of race (especially the media) are part of the problem and not the solution in the grand scheme of things

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Yeah the "Media" goes crazy on Paula Dean for using a word Blacks use DAILY millions of times and this doesnt sem to bother them. AHHH they are used to it. Nothing to see here!

[Mac4Lyfe]

I think he was a ticking time bomb. He's watching the neighborhood all day and night, paranoid every time he saw a black person. He's calling 911 46 times, won't even give out his address, says these assholes always gets away with shit.

Once he followed him (premeditated), got out the car (totally premeditated) and approached him with a gun (instigator), he was looking for a conflict IMO.

You tell me, why didn't he confront the other 45 people he called the police in the past? He made a conscious decision to escalate this situation.

Side note: People are scared here in Orlando of over a dozen unsolved shootings in the last 3 days. The last gunning down a 17 year old Hispanic kid on his way to work. Someone is going around in a car shooting people dead. This is so sad. Kid was a soccer player and good student.

14 unsolved shootings this week.

Hey, I wouldn't approach a total stranger at all, especially at night. But I am not in charge of monitoring my area either. All I am saying is that from all of the evidence in this case, I do not believe Zimmerman was out to kill anyone that night.

[Gonz312]

Is zimmerman an idiot? Yeah... murderer?...definitely....law breaker? No
the state of florida has a law that gives people a license to kill, that is the problem, not what happened that night. This isnt like that old dude who shot the kids in their car at thw gas station because they were being desrespectful and claimed he was threatened and was just "standing his ground" or the other guy in tx who went over to the "loud" neighbors and threatened them then shot a couple of them on their property because he was "afraid for his life". Those dudes went way beyond what the law states and should be the ones getting national attention. Zimmerman did a stupid amd horrible act but within the realm of the law, shooting a kid who was beating his head against the ground was not breaking the law.

[itchypickle]

Sanford Police had no problem with Zimmerman's temper. They spoke highly of him, under oath this week. He was never convicted of the altercation that his ex dealt with,...otherwise with a domestic violence past NO way he gets his conceal carry permit. He was a meek and mild sort of mousy type...listen to all the other calls and testimony from those who knew him.

Trayvon was a testosterone filled 17 year old hot head...into the MMA fad and in trouble with school and his own mother....racial tendencies as well since he labeled Zimmerman a cracker and a nagger in less than 5 minutes.

If Zimmerman went after him as so many claim, why call the police and keep trying to get them there...and why not simply pull out the weapon and go from there?

This case was exposed today....all initial accounts showed no reason for the arrest until the family attorney whipped up the race card and found this girl who they had to force into testimony basically and she's lied how many times already? She is the reason the state arrested him in the end....should have never happened.

[Mac4Lyfe]

He appointed himself...

The more I read about Zimmerman the more I see a disturbed wannabe cop with a history of violence.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/23/2712299/george-zimmerman-self-appointed.html

He also had credit problems which is always a red flag. Why he would never give out his address when calling 911 is another smoking gun.

This area had problems. This is why Zimmerman was appointed head of the watch.

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All worked up about Zimm huh. Well lets see the latest bookings in Palm Beach sheriffs ofice today should be a real hoot!

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[GamblerSpirit]

the media covering this is playing to the racial differences in this case as opposed to concentrating on the "stand your ground" law and how this plays into this trial. it's pretty messy stuff and all i see is ppl claiming zimmerman is not white as if their race(s) make a fukking difference. i think zimmerman should go to jail. not sure on what charge though.

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[Mac4Lyfe]

Zimmerman was a ticking time bomb... Fukker is chasing drivers, pursuing shoplifters, children on the street. Battery on law enforcement, threatening his ex wife, following her around asking for photos??? He really thought he was a policeman.

In one case, he chased a reckless driver while calling 911 — the driver later told police he was terrified that Zimmerman was going to attack him.


Over the years, his scores of calls to police showed he pursued shoplifters and errant drivers with zeal, reporting pit bulls, potholes, children playing in the street, open garage doors and “suspicious” youths — usually black males — loitering in the street.

Dr. Laurence Miller, a Palm Beach County clinical psychologist who works with local police agencies, said he believes Zimmerman likely was acting out the “whole TV cop role in his head” when he confronted Trayvon.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/2...#storylink=cpy




Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/2...#storylink=cpy


Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/2...#storylink=cpy

His prior contacts with the law would have given police agencies pause.

In 2005, according to an arrest report, a state agent arrested Zimmerman for battery on a law enforcement officer and obstructing justice. According to the report, agents with Florida’s Alcohol Beverage and Tobacco division were arresting several employees near the University of Central Florida.



Agent Paul Fleishman wrote that Zimmerman walked up to a pal under arrest and began chatting, refusing to leave. Zimmerman cursed him, Fleishman wrote, before pushing him and causing a “short struggle.”



The charge was later dropped when Zimmerman entered a “pre-trial diversion” program, which is not unusual for first-time offenders. The program usually entails paying fines and taking classes for anger management.



Zimmerman — in applying to enter the citizens’ police academy — later disputed the official version of the event, insisting that the agent never identified himself. “I hold law enforcement officers in the highest regaurd [sic] as I hope to one day become. I would never have touched a police officer,” Zimmerman wrote.



Before the case was resolved, he was also involved in a domestic dispute with his ex-fiancée, hair salon employee Veronica Zauzo.

Zauzo claimed Zimmerman was trolling her neighborhood to check on her. At her apartment, they spoke for about an hour when she asked him to leave. He asked for some photos and paperwork and she refused

Sanford Police had no problem with Zimmerman's temper. They spoke highly of him, under oath this week. He was never convicted of the altercation that his ex dealt with,...otherwise with a domestic violence past NO way he gets his conceal carry permit. He was a meek and mild sort of mousy type...listen to all the other calls and testimony from those who knew him.