New Poker Promotions!!

**RudyRuetigger** · 02-03-20, 09:06 AM

most will say yes and good marketing for sbr

personally i dont like it

**playersonly69** · 02-03-20, 09:25 AM

I LOVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE it

**johnnyvegas13** · 02-03-20, 09:27 AM

Sounds like my buddies old poker club

**5mike5** · 02-03-20, 09:54 AM

Open to non pros?

**sam9ball** · 02-03-20, 09:59 AM

Originally posted by 5mike5

Open to non pros?

If they want to become eligible to claim the prize must turn Pro within a set time frame.

**stevenash** · 02-03-20, 09:59 AM

Love it

**JAKEPEAVY21** · 02-03-20, 10:00 AM

sounds good except for the non pro part

**5mike5** · 02-03-20, 10:27 AM

Originally posted by sam9ball

If they want to become eligible to claim the prize must turn Pro within a set time frame.

Well then....

**Ian** · 02-03-20, 10:29 AM

4 months is too long of a time commitment for me, but you can't argue with the top prize. I think this series will be popular.

**big joe 1212** · 02-03-20, 11:29 AM

Don’t let the non pros free roll

**horja1** · 02-03-20, 11:30 AM

Originally posted by sam9ball

What do you Degens think of a 4 month Texas Hold'em Tournament with a 1st place prize being a $1500 seat to the

Millionaire Maker Seat at WSOP!

Open to all SBR Members

Any Feedback?
Styill working on the details.

how will this work for the international players (non-USA&Canada)?

**Daniel Espinosa** · 02-03-20, 11:39 AM

Yep +1

Originally posted by horja1

how will this work for the international players (non-USA&Canada)?

**BigJay** · 02-03-20, 11:42 AM

As many have stated before, Any SBR contest/promo that offers cash to non-pros is just begging for folks to take a shot and win by any means necessary.

**Carseller4** · 02-03-20, 11:49 AM

At this point any poker contest would be great.

Year is almost over and still no poker contest.

**Ian** · 02-03-20, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by BigJay

As many have stated before, Any SBR contest/promo that offers cash to non-pros is just begging for folks to take a shot and win by any means necessary.

Good point. Pro only is the way to go.

**RudyRuetigger** · 02-03-20, 11:55 AM

4 months sounds great to me

IF payout the final standings from the overall leaderboard during this series

not a tourney finale

lets just try that one time

**horja1** · 02-03-20, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by BigJay

As many have stated before, Any SBR contest/promo that offers cash to non-pros is just begging for folks to take a shot and win by any means necessary.

At least they should become Pro 1 month before the contest ends and have their identity verified

**stevek173** · 02-03-20, 11:58 AM

Agreed that non pros should not be allowed to play at all, but otherwise great!

Ty SBR!

**Auto Donk** · 02-03-20, 12:03 PM

so long as I'm programmed to win it, so I can go to vegas and spread the SBR word, I love it.....

recent video postings provide my credentials of being the obvious deep-voiced ambassador of SBR in Vegas.....

**big joe 1212** · 02-03-20, 12:04 PM

Originally posted by horja1

At least they should become Pro 1 month before the contest ends and have their identity verified

Why let them free roll for 3 months? If they are doing great they will turn pro, and if they are not, then no incentive to turn pro

this has been a problem with contests in the past

unfair to the pros

**stevek173** · 02-03-20, 12:07 PM

In these tournies non pros clog the field.

In ring however, they should be merged with pros, because at that point that's good for pros to rollover.

My two cents.

**sam9ball** · 02-03-20, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by RudyRuetigger

4 months sounds great to me

IF payout the final standings from the overall leaderboard during this series

not a tourney finale

lets just try that one time

This is the direction i'm leaning towards.

As for international players you are also welcome to participate, but remember airfare is the players responsibility.

**horja1** · 02-03-20, 12:14 PM

Originally posted by sam9ball

As for international players you are also welcome to participate, but remember airfare is the players responsibility.

Any chance you could maybe have another prize for us? Even some betpoints prize?

**RudyRuetigger** · 02-03-20, 12:17 PM

Originally posted by sam9ball

This is the direction i'm leaning towards.

As for international players you are also welcome to participate, but remember airfare is the players responsibility.

i mean one time try sounds great to see how participation goes later in the tourney

if top 15 get paid, im sure atleast, the top 30 will keep playing the last week...(usually a log jam around 15-50th place anyway)

**ArunSh** · 02-03-20, 12:18 PM

Originally posted by RudyRuetigger

4 months sounds great to me

IF payout the final standings from the overall leaderboard during this series

not a tourney finale

lets just try that one time

As I've said before, I love that idea in theory - rewarding based on long-term play not a single event is much more "fair" in rewarding people who perform consistently, not just in one tourney.

But unfortunately as has been discovered, there definitely can be collusion/soft-playing/dumping in these events (the panama crew + bobbywaves/no1here + snirpr2006, the list goes on). If someone has even one accomplice that dumps to them and such, it would give them a huge edge on trying to take the top spot versus an honest person.

Or say near the end two folks are battling for the top spot, again would be too easy for friends of one of those persons to give them a leg up in the final week to help push them to the top.

So yeah I really worry about such a format. Even if this doesn't happen, we are likely to see accusations of it. Again, two folks are battling for last spot then final week one of them wins a huge hand one day (perhaps without showdown), and the other side claims they were dumped to etc. Just seems like trouble...

**mpaschal34** · 02-03-20, 12:18 PM

Probably too top heavy of a prize for my liking. Plus I doubt I will be able to play but 80-90% of the tournaments.

But I’ll be cheering on whoever wins. If it’s one of the longtime pro’s, I may go out to support.

**mpaschal34** · 02-03-20, 12:19 PM

Originally posted by ArunSh

As I've said before, I love that idea in theory - rewarding based on long-term play not a single event is much more "fair" in rewarding people who perform consistently, not just in one tourney.

But unfortunately as has been discovered, there definitely can be collusion/soft-playing/dumping in these events (the panama crew + bobbywaves/no1here + snirpr2006, the list goes on). If someone has even one accomplice that dumps to them and such, it would give them a huge edge on trying to take the top spot versus an honest person.

Or say near the end two folks are battling for the top spot, again would be too easy for friends of one of those persons to give them a leg up in the final week to help push them to the top.

So yeah I really worry about such a format. Even if this doesn't happen, we are likely to see accusations of it. Again, two folks are battling for last spot then final week one of them wins a huge hand one day (perhaps without showdown), and the other side claims they were dumped to etc. Just seems like trouble...

Very good points....could be a disaster at the end.

**RudyRuetigger** · 02-03-20, 12:21 PM

Originally posted by ArunSh

As I've said before, I love that idea in theory - rewarding based on long-term play not a single event is much more "fair" in rewarding people who perform consistently, not just in one tourney.

But unfortunately as has been discovered, there definitely can be collusion/soft-playing/dumping in these events (the panama crew + bobbywaves/no1here + snirpr2006, the list goes on). If someone has even one accomplice that dumps to them and such, it would give them a huge edge on trying to take the top spot versus an honest person.

Or say near the end two folks are battling for the top spot, again would be too easy for friends of one of those persons to give them a leg up in the final week to help push them to the top.

So yeah I really worry about such a format. Even if this doesn't happen, we are likely to see accusations of it. Again, two folks are battling for last spot then final week one of them wins a huge hand one day (perhaps without showdown), and the other side claims they were dumped to etc. Just seems like trouble...

im confused as to what you are saying

chip dumping over 4 months would be much easier to catch than 1 final tourney

actually, it would be easier to catch and accuse in 1 final tourney

but it would be easier to prove over a 4 month contest

**ArunSh** · 02-03-20, 12:24 PM

$1500 is about 40000 in betpoints. I would favor something where say the Top 10 on the leaderboard (or Top 20, something like that) divide up 40000 in points. Say if it were Top 20 something like:

8000-6000-4000-3000-2000-1500-1500-1500-1500 then 1000 for the remaining places

That spreads it out a bit, and with the prize difference between 1st and 2nd not being huge ($1500 vs $0 as seems to be the suggestion), people would not be nearly as incentivized to collude/cheat.

**ArunSh** · 02-03-20, 12:29 PM

Originally posted by RudyRuetigger

im confused as to what you are saying
chip dumping over 4 months would be much easier to catch than 1 final tourney
actually, it would be easier to catch and accuse in 1 final tourney
but it would be easier to prove over a 4 month contest

While in a "final" tourney, yes someone could dump to another, there are two big issues with that:

(1) Doubling your stack in ONE tourney does not guarantee you finish at the top or even near it. Sure it helps, but it's far from being a lock for anything. Whereas someone who gets dumped to on a consistent basis in daily tourneys - the advantage/extra points they would win from that would really add up over a long contest. Again, one tourney is nothing even close to a guarantee though.

(2) Someone who dumps to you in the final tourney has to essentially forfeit their own entry/chance to win something in the final tourney after playing for months in order to qualify themselves. Far easier to recruit someone not in contention to dump to you in dailies (or to create a ghost account to do it).

As for catching people, that can be hard to do unless you have a TON of evidence. And if this is done subtly (i.e. not bobbywaves/no1here style) I think it would be rather difficult - people have gotten away with it before for decent periods of time on the big poker sites who obviously police this much more and where the stakes are way higher.

**RudyRuetigger** · 02-03-20, 12:31 PM

sammy any chance you can add a poll here?

i was thinking it would be a blowout win for the $1500 buyin

it is getting closer so i am happy about that

**ArunSh** · 02-03-20, 12:37 PM

Again - don't get me wrong Rudy. I really like your idea in theory, I love the notion of people being rewarded in this based on consistent long-term play rather than one fairly luck based final tourney. But theory is very different than practice, and for the reasons mentioned above, I have serious concerns about whether that idea can work in practice.

**franklee168** · 02-03-20, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by Carseller4

At this point any poker contest would be great.

Year is almost over and still no poker contest.

February marks the almost end of the year for most people. Said no one ever.

**RudyRuetigger** · 02-03-20, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by ArunSh

While in a "final" tourney, yes someone could dump to another, there are two big issues with that:

(1) Doubling your stack in ONE tourney does not guarantee you finish at the top or even near it. Sure it helps, but it's far from being a lock for anything. Whereas someone who gets dumped to on a consistent basis in daily tourneys - the advantage/extra points they would win from that would really add up over a long contest. Again, one tourney is nothing even close to a guarantee though.

(2) Someone who dumps to you in the final tourney has to essentially forfeit their own entry/chance to win something in the final tourney after playing for months in order to qualify themselves. Far easier to recruit someone not in contention to dump to you in dailies (or to create a ghost account to do it).

As for catching people, that can be hard to do unless you have a TON of evidence. And if this is done subtly (i.e. not bobbywaves/no1here style) I think it would be rather difficult - people have gotten away with it before for decent periods of time on the big poker sites who obviously police this much more and where the stakes are way higher.

i think 1 and 2a agree with me, and 2b you are correct

1. doubling in 1 tourney is much more beneficial than dumping 4 times over a 4 month tourney...more than likely someone will catch you

2. you cant create a ghost within the final month....for 2b you are correct...maybe if top 15 get paid, then the last week only includes the top 40