USA: Will the World's Richest Country Default on its Debt? UNREAL READ

[forsberg21]

Forseberg, you're too smart to be using life expectancy statistics to rate health care. It's like using RBI's as the sole indicator to prove how good a hitter is.

"a study by Professors Ohsfeldt and Schneider at the University of Iowa, which shows that, if you leave out people who are victims of homicide or who die in automobile accidents, Americans live longer than people in any other Western country. Doctors do not prevent homicides or car crashes. In the things that doctors can affect, such as the survival rates of cancer patients, the United States leads the world.

Americans get the latest pharmaceutical drugs, sometimes years before those drugs are available to people in Britain or in other countries where the government runs the medical system. Why? Because the latest drugs cost more and it is cheaper to let people die."

http://townhall.com/columnists/thoma..._fables/page/2

There is an extremely strong relationship between quality of health care and life expectancy rates, I don't know how you can possibly deny this. The purpose of having quality health care is to essentially better peoples' lives, and thus prolonging them. Increasing survivability rates among fatal diseases is perfectly correlated to life expectancy, right? I mean, if you survive an illness (because of receiving exceptional health care), you're going to live longer, right? What am I missing here? Are you using this RBI to being a quality hitter argument because it's convenient for what you're trying to prove? Sorry bud, but you're argument isn't making much sense here, and you're analogy is comparing apples and oranges.

I can't see how you can possibly deny that quality health care prolongs peoples' lives, and thus increases life expectancy. Taking into account that the US fails in the life expectancy charts, #36 in the world according to my posting, it's very hard to argue that the US has the best health care system in the world. In fact, the US is the ONLY INDUSTRIALIZED NATION IN THE WORLD WITHOUT A UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE SYSTEM.

I call complete and utter BS on that study too. "if you leave out people who are victims of homicide or who die in automobile accidents, Americans live longer than people in any other Western country." Other countries experience homicides and car accidents as well. For this claim to have any credibility, the amount of homicides and car accidents as a proportion of the population would have to be so much more ridiculously higher than all other countries in order to have the ability to sway life expectancy statistics to that degree. In 2009, there were just over 15,000 murders in the US:

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

Are you telling me that if you take out these 15,000 murders (murders happen everywhere anyways) in a country of over 300,000,000 people, that would be enough to take the US from #36 in life expectancy to #1? I call BS on that. This sounds like some sort of Fox News propaganda to me. 15,000 people is 0.005% of the population, that is a minuscule number compared to the 300,000,000+ people living in the US. This just doesn't make any sense. If you're going to deny that there is any relationship between health care and life expectancy, this conversation is over.

Here's the problem with the US: there is a huge profit factor associated with the health care system. When you have money involved, corruption follows. That's why even if you have health insurance in the US, you can be denied coverage if you have one of these "pre existing conditions". I mean, you're paying for coverage with money out of your own pocket and they still deny you coverage? And this is happening in the so called world's greatest country? LOL. Getting denied medical coverage NEVER happens in all other industrialized Western nations, only in the US.

[falconticket]

I owe I owe its off to post I go...

[The Madcap]

10000 bucks says when we leave that country dips into civil war, do you really think those sand monkeys are going to accept a government set up by infidels running their country without a loaded gun in their face, hell they dont even accept it now WITH a loaded gun in their face thats why we havent been able to leave after 10 fuckin years

3 trillion down the drain but the good news is the oil companies profits are through the roof

It's entirely plausible. Especially with all the shit that's been taking place in the streets of Syria, Yemen, Libya, Tunisia, etc.

My point wasn't that we should be there, simply why we are there. And why somebody does something usually has no bearing on how well they execute it.

Oil company profits are always going to be through the roof. It's the nature of that particular commodity. IE: Every day millions of kids turn 16 and get their drivers licenses. Before they car-pooled, now they drive themselves. Their increase in driving raises the demand for oil, limiting supply, raising prices. Government regulations here and abroad make it smarter for companies to merge together, this reduces competition and limits innovation, also keeping prices high. Arguably the oil companies could have gotten just as rich, or richer, the last several years if we hadn't invaded Iraq, because OPEC could have reduced output raising the price of crude and giving greater range for the oil companies to raise profit margins.

The truth of the matter is that the amount of money our government has spent in Iraq through military operations via our tax dollars could have just as easily been removed from our pockets by OPEC. At least under current circumstances some of those dollars are going back into American companies and the bank accounts of American workers, as well as being used to build schools and provide clean drinking water for the Iraqi people instead of it all just being taken by Saddam so he could build another couple palaces.

But it would be nice if we'd go ahead and get our shit together, tap into our own natural gas reserves and develop renewable energy so don't have to worry about haggling with the damn Arabian royalty.

[sundin4prez]

You were ignorant, that's why they didn't like you. Canadians and Americans, on the surface, are quite similar people. The reason why there can be tension between us is because of your ignorance. It's as simple as that. FYI.

TRUE, this sure is

[The Madcap]

I call complete and utter BS on that study too. "if you leave out people who are victims of homicide or who die in automobile accidents, Americans live longer than people in any other Western country." Other countries experience homicides and car accidents as well.

NO SHIT.

Here's the study, read it for yourself:

http://www.aei.org/docLib/20061017_OhsfeldtSchneiderPresentation.pdf

The authors have PHD's, and one of them is a noted liberal. They aren't some whack job Foxnews homos.

Here's the point about the RBIs: if you have a lot of RBI's it means you're a good hitter. You can't get a lot of RBI's without being a good hitter. (IE: you can't have high life expectancy rates without quality health care) But when ranking the best hitters, RBIs are not a good indicator because there are so many other factors that come into play in determining RBIs, such as batting order, teammates' batting average, plate appearances with RISP, ballpark dimensions, etc. (IE: high life expectancy rates [RBI's] can have as much to do with a country's culture [quality of hitting in the rest of the lineup] as anything else.)

Or look at it this way: Vinny Castilla had three seasons where he hit 40 or more homers while Cecil Fielder only had two. They both hit 30 more more 6 times. Yet only an idiot would argue Castilla was a better power hitter than Fielder. Because the idiot would be the guy failing to take into account that Fielder was fading out of the game in the mid 90's during the steroid boom while Castilla was entering his prime, and that Castilla had the benefit of playing in Coors field the majority of his career.

Certainly life expectancy rates are some indication of quality of health care. But they also take into account so much more than health care. Things like personal choices in diet, exercise, culture, and even homicides and traffic accidents. As a result, while somewhat useful in determining the quality of life within a health care system, life expectancy rates are no more a basis for ranking the success of a health care system versus another than arbitrary RBI or home run statistics are in ranking hitters.

[Full Time Hobo]

Why is this news? This predicament has been on the horizon since 2005. Most of you fcuks don't care till shit hits the fan and you see stuff in print....

Same goes with global warming.....none of you right wing retards or hermits in general are gonna take notice till its the 25th hour and too late to do anything anyways. That's what you get for a putting a corrupt politicians in power for 8 years.

Have to agree with this.
This isn't really news... It's just people push it aside until it is literally in their face.

That commercial is good too.. Wish it was aired... or was it?
I think I remember seeing somewhere it was censored and never shown.

[ByeShea]

I owe I owe its off to post I go...

[bettilimbroke999]

Willy, can you do something besides copy and paste pictures? Or is that the only thing you learned while you dumped $50K on a worthless education?

If we tried to be like you, we'd be:

1. Drowning in debt
2. Having our corrupt government rob us of everything
3. The most hated nation in the world
4. Living in a country with a crumbling economy and no future
5. Ridiculously overweight and obese
6. The dumbest people on the planet who lack even the most basic forms of common sense
7. Ignorant as can be
8. Living in a police state
9. Have no health care - Love Fishhead's post about doing removing his own wisdom teeth!!! LOL, is that what you guys do down there?
10. And this one is the best................. you were born on the wrong side of the border!

Canadians are dumber than shit as is the average American. America is the most hated bc we've actually gotten involved in the world and saved the world 500x over, as a result instead of a thank you for giving our lives in WW2 etc while you Canadians stayed home and breastfed the kids bc it wasnt important enough for you (the world being taken over) to get involved and you hate us for it bc you're a pussy ass country. Learn to stand up for something other than your socialized health care which btw is experiencing huge cutbacks and headed down the shitter (I hope you dont ever need surgery as youll be dead before you get to the front of the line unless you head down to the US and pay cash), also all the entitlement plans that are putting our country in enormous debt yea well guess what you're country has got em too and they're going to bring you down as well, your country is being sold to the highest bidder just like ours is being sold to China and the average person in your country is equally ****** with enough debt to crush their household if they lose their job. The image of the prospering Canadian is a joke, most Canucks are fuckin broke. Also since Canada does absolutely nothing all the Canucks do all day is twiddle their thumbs and criticize the US govt for actually getting involved, did ya see that Obama actually do something the other day ay, I did that was ******* stupid of him ay, thats right thank god our country has never done anything in 300 years ay, right ay, the world loves us bc we're so fuckin neutral even when the world is burning ay, yup dont depend on the Cancucks to intervene in any world disaster as it could make us look bad to the Nazis or Muslim terrorists, they could hate us for it

Also Canada has 61% of their population overweight vs US 74%, I wouldnt exactly be braggin about that difference when over 6 out of 10 of your ppl are tipping the scales just bc over 7 out of 10 of ours are tipping em, both countries are fatsos and both percentages will grow as fast food becomes the main diet

[eleuropeano]

US depends on China because it is its largest creditor. China depends on US to buy all the stuff it makes to sustains its economic growth. So nobody is nuking anything.

[NYSportsGuy210]

Out of all the fail in this post, I'll only address one piece right now. Having no health care? The US has the best health care in the world... best doctors, best equipment, best research, newest treatments, near-highest or highest survival rates for most major diseases, etc etc etc.

Why is it that any Canadian with money comes to the US for treatment, including some of your elected officials?

U.S. doesn't have the best health care system in the world. If you don't have the best system it makes no point to have the best doctors. Only the rich can afford the best doctors, treatment and equipment so who cares....it's a moot point.

Research also is pretty high in Europe and Asia where they come up with just as many new discoveries as we do in medicine and science.

[forsberg21]

Canadians are dumber than shit as is the average American. America is the most hated bc we've actually gotten involved in the world and saved the world 500x over, as a result instead of a thank you for giving our lives in WW2 etc while you Canadians stayed home and breastfed the kids bc it wasnt important enough for you (the world being taken over) to get involved and you hate us for it bc you're a pussy ass country. Learn to stand up for something other than your socialized health care which btw is experiencing huge cutbacks and headed down the shitter (I hope you dont ever need surgery as youll be dead before you get to the front of the line unless you head down to the US and pay cash), also all the entitlement plans that are putting our country in enormous debt yea well guess what you're country has got em too and they're going to bring you down as well, your country is being sold to the highest bidder just like ours is being sold to China and the average person in your country is equally ****** with enough debt to crush their household if they lose their job. The image of the prospering Canadian is a joke, most Canucks are fuckin broke. Also since Canada does absolutely nothing all the Canucks do all day is twiddle their thumbs and criticize the US govt for actually getting involved, did ya see that Obama actually do something the other day ay, I did that was ******* stupid of him ay, thats right thank god our country has never done anything in 300 years ay, right ay, the world loves us bc we're so fuckin neutral even when the world is burning ay, yup dont depend on the Cancucks to intervene in any world disaster as it could make us look bad to the Nazis or Muslim terrorists, they could hate us for it

Also Canada has 61% of their population overweight vs US 74%, I wouldnt exactly be braggin about that difference when over 6 out of 10 of your ppl are tipping the scales just bc over 7 out of 10 of ours are tipping em, both countries are fatsos and both percentages will grow as fast food becomes the main diet

LOL are you for real with this post? It looks like it was written by an 8 year old kid! I think the only dumb person here is..... you guessed it, you!

Saved the world 500X over? You mean saving Iraqis from Saddam Hussein and his WMDs? Wait, there were no WMDs, but there was oil. I would have agreed with you had you said "we've invaded countries 500X" (for their resources). To add to it, these invasions haven't been worth it since your military has left you in the bankrupt state you're in.

"thank you for giving our lives in WW2 etc while you Canadians stayed home"

If you go by the facts, Canada actually entered WW2 a lot earlier than the US did. Canada declared war on Germany on September 10th, 1939. WW2 started on September 1st, 1939.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/When_did_Canada_declare_war_in_World_War_2

The US entered the war on December 7th, 1941, a full 2 years after Canada did.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/When_did_the_US_enter_World_War_2

So who is "a pussy ass country"?

"Learn to stand up for something other than your socialized health care which btw is experiencing huge cutbacks and headed down the shitter"

Would you care to elaborate on this, or does this have as much credibility as your ""thank you for giving our lives in WW2 etc while you Canadians stayed home" statement?

"most Canucks are fuckin broke." LOL, where did you come up with this? Canada ranks 11th in GDP per capita by the IMF (only $1069 less than the US at #9).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita

I have no idea where you're getting these overweight statistics from, but let's use mine since you have absolutely no resources in your incoherent post.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/82-625-x/2011001/article/11411-eng.htm

Now since you probably lack the mental capacity to analyze what you're looking at, I'll help you out. 24.1% of Canadians are obese while 34.4% of Americans are obese. This means that on average, or per capita, you'll find 42.7% more (34.4% divided by 24.1%) obese people in the US than in Canada. Yes, 42.7%.

In case you don't understand this. Let's say we take 1000 Americans and 1000 Canadians. Based on these stats, on average, you'll have 344 obese Americans and 241 obese Canadians. This means that you have 103 more obese Americans than Canadians, which means that the incidence of obesity among Americans RELATIVE to Canadians is 42.7% higher. So for every 241 obese Canadians, you'll have the same amount of obese Americans, plus another 103 (103 divided by 241 = 42.7%).

Now, since you're credibility has been destroyed, I don't expect you to reply to this. But if I do get a rebuttal, I'd be happy to reply. Just one favour, no crazy long run on sentences this time, I'm sure you learned how to stop using those in the third grade.

[William Walters]

"thank you for giving our lives in WW2 etc while you Canadians stayed home"

If you go by the facts, Canada actually entered WW2 a lot earlier than the US did. Canada declared war on Germany on September 10th, 1939. WW2 started on September 1st, 1939.

So who is "a pussy ass country"?

Are you serious with this nonsense? Canada had slightly more WWII military deaths than other WWII powers such as Albania, Greece & Australia. Save your population stats nerdo.........bottom line........if you're going to DECLARE WAR then get your pansy asses in the fukkin battle.

[forsberg21]

The application of my statistics have ruined whatever credibility you and your incoherent rants ever had. If you don't use statistics in your arguments, especially arguments involving quantitative data (which every argument essentially is), then you'll end up sounding like our boy Billy Walters, the joke of SBR forums.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

If you want to talk about deaths, then over a dozen (I stopped counting) countries suffered more deaths as a result of WW2 than the US did. So what was the US's contribution really? It wasn't as big as you think, but I don't blame you. Fox News has you believing that G.I. Joe went into Germany and wiped out all the Nazis, took out Mussolini in Italy and then overlooked as the ink dried on the signing of the papers when Japan surrendered.

If you want to talk about Canada's contribution in WW2, you can't compare the size of the population of Canada and the US, it's not even an apples and oranges argument. Canada lost 0.40% of their population due to WW2 while the US lost 0.32%. If we're talking about RELATIVE contributions to the population, Canada actually sacrificed more in terms of lives than the US did.

Going with this argument, it's funny how Americans say that they are the most generous country in the world. Sure, they are the 3rd most populated country in the world, and the richest, so obviously the SUM of their donations is going to be the largest. But when you break it down the average American gave $0.73 to the relief effort in Haiti while the average Canadian gave $5.67. Who is more generous now? The only thing the "moral" US did was get in there and block off the airport to all other relief organizations.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/jan/14/haiti-quake-aid-pledges-country-donations

[bettilimbroke999]

Forsberg get real bro, you're US jealousy is so great its disgusting, I feel bad for you that you have to vacation in the Arctic Circle while I swim along thousands of miles of beaches, I feel bad that the US controls the world and wins 90% of the Nobel prizes. I wish Canada had some power and that ppl didnt consider you the US's redheaded stepchild but thats the way it is

Okay first off when I said Canucks were broke I meant they were swimming in debt, of course you have lower per capita GDP than the US whilst calling the US broke, this fits with the US always being superior to your country in every way nice to see your posting stats that contradict your arguments, an obvious sign that Canadian secondary education is of high quality, no wonder I cant name a single university in Canada.

The fact that Canada entered the war early and lost 45k lives is in all likelihood related to the fact you were owned by Britain who declared war for basically your entire existence. Canadians never had the balls to get out from under the foot of the British like the US did during the American Revolution a couple hundred years prior in 1776 versus Canadas freedom acquired in FUCKIN 1931 by treaty (basically Britain just finally got tired of raping you). The US lost 10x as many lives and their overwhelming military force is what decided the war, your welcome from the 450k Americans who lost their lives that you werent enslaved by Germany of course your country prolly wouldnt have minded since they had only been free from Britain for 8 years at the time but the US wasnt too interested given that they had already been free of British rule for over 160 years.

The truth is Canada is too insignificant to even matter, whats your population like 500 angry Canucks, nobody even cares, also all the wars you criticize you have supported and fought in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, your country has such strong opinions against those wars that it always follows the US, you are the USs bitch I assure you and the reason you spend so much time thinking about the US is you know the US is 50x greater than your own country, how much time do you think I spend thinking about Canada, you guessed it absolutely never, I dont know shit about your country other than its a socialized icebox that has no influence on the world stage so no one gives it a second look and what I read from the 1 search result that came up when googling Canada (when I yahoo searched it said did you mean Camela?), they also like to throw in an insignificant contribution to every war the US is in then if it becomes unpopular they immediately act like they are disgusted the US would go to war with that country, yea well then why the **** did you send your troops over there ya dumbass Canucks

Go plow some snow forsberg, dont hate on the US just bc we have 50x the land, wealth, power and history of your country

[Cap dat 4ss]

Forsberg get real bro, you're US jealousy is so great its disgusting, I feel bad for you that you have to vacation in the Arctic Circle while I swim along thousands of miles of beaches, I feel bad that the US controls the world and wins 90% of the Nobel prizes. I wish Canada had some power and that ppl didnt consider you the US's redheaded stepchild but thats the way it is Okay first off when I said Canucks were broke I meant they were swimming in debt, of course you have lower per capita GDP than the US whilst calling the US broke, this fits with the US always being superior to your country in every way nice to see your posting stats that contradict your arguments, an obvious sign that Canadian secondary education is of high quality, no wonder I cant name a single university in Canada. The fact that Canada entered the war early and lost 45k lives is in all likelihood related to the fact you were owned by Britain who declared war for basically your entire existence. Canadians never had the balls to get out from under the foot of the British like the US did during the American Revolution a couple hundred years prior in 1776 versus Canadas freedom acquired in FUCKIN 1931 by treaty (basically Britain just finally got tired of raping you). The US lost 10x as many lives and their overwhelming military force is what decided the war, your welcome from the 450k Americans who lost their lives that you werent enslaved by Germany of course your country prolly wouldnt have minded since they had only been free from Britain for 8 years at the time but the US wasnt too interested given that they had already been free of British rule for over 160 years. The truth is Canada is too insignificant to even matter, whats your population like 500 angry Canucks, nobody even cares, also all the wars you criticize you have supported and fought in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, your country has such strong opinions against those wars that it always follows the US, you are the USs bitch I assure you and the reason you spend so much time thinking about the US is you know the US is 50x greater than your own country, how much time do you think I spend thinking about Canada, you guessed it absolutely never, I dont know shit about your country other than its a socialized icebox that has no influence on the world stage so no one gives it a second look and what I read from the 1 search result that came up when googling Canada (when I yahoo searched it said did you mean Camela?), they also like to throw in an insignificant contribution to every war the US is in then if it becomes unpopular they immediately act like they are disgusted the US would go to war with that country, yea well then why the **** did you send your troops over there ya dumbass Canucks Go plow some snow forsberg, dont hate on the US just bc we have 50x the land, wealth, power and history of your country

Nice post?

Just a question, you talk about how the US lost 10x as many lives back in the 1700's, how does that give you bragging rights today? Reminds me of the 17 year old black kid living in the nicest part of town that walks around angry because of slavery.

Bet, lets be honest pal. Your post is full of lies, inaccuracies and misnomers. You are very passionate about your beliefs and this comes through in your post but it's really lacking factual data. Canadians vacation in the north pole? 500 angry canucks? Americans win 90% of Nobel prizes? Its actually less than 40%. And Canada actually has the longest shoreline in the world . All of your stats regarding the war are messed up to but I've gotta work and don't have time to correct everything wrong in your post.

Next time you try and argue your point, regardless of how you feel, try and make a logical point.

[rsnnh12]

First of all, get your facts straight sir. "SOME of your elected officials?" You mean ONE, right? This was some nobody politician from backwards Newfoundland, and he took a ton of heat for what he did. The actions of one person don't reflect the system, I'm sure you'd agree this statement sounds logical.

Second, would you care to elaborate on "Why is it that any Canadian with money comes to the US for treatment"? This sounds something that you heard from Fox News. Why would anybody spend money on health care when they can access it for free? You probably heard that argument on Fox News during the health care debate in the US a few years ago.

Lastly, if you say that the US has the best health care system in the world, the best doctors, equipment, and all the other stuff you said (which is a very ignorant thing to say because I know for a fact you don't know about any other nation's health care system other than your own), then why does the US rank horribly in life expectancy statistics? Doesn't having the best doctors, equipment, treatments, highest survival rates in diseases translate into a prolonged life? Look at the US, it fails miserably:

Silly Canadians. "I know for a fact that you don't know about any other nation's health care system" When in doubt, make shit up. I love it. I probably know more about most other health systems than you do, buddy, including Canada's. Working towards a medical field degree (Physical Therapy) requires a lot of study of the different systems But hey, as long as you "know" I know nothing, right?

You do know culture/society has more to do with life expectancy than health care quality, right? For example, Asians tend to focus their diets on rice, fish, and other lighter fare, which is healthier and helps them live longer. Part of the reason its a staple is it is all many of them can afford. Another reason is the tradition and culture aspect. Is that a testament to the quality of their doctors, or their culture? Its pretty obvious what the answer is, so I don't expect an answer.

List of best medical schools in the world, from a Canadian site (since I assume you'll dismiss the list from US News and World Report as biased)

http://www.physicianjobscanada.com/a-list-of-the-best-medical-schools-in-the-world/

US Schools in top 10- 6 (1. Harvard, 3. Johns Hopkins, 4. UPenn, 6. UCal-San Fran, 7. Yale, 9. Columbia)
Canadian schools in top 10- 0

Top medical research centers

http://www.mastersinhealthcare.com/blog/2011/10-most-prestigious-medical-centers-in-the-world/

US centers in top 10- 3 (numbers 1, 4, and 5) this list doesn't include St. Jude's Children's Hospital, which I believe is the top children's cancer facility in the world.
Canadian centers in top 10- 0

Looks like we have the advantage in med schools and research, should I post more aspects? Or is Canada's inability to crack the top 10 in either category enough for you to admit defeat?

[cant call it]

Canada has some hot fukking women I can vouch for that.

[forsberg21]

Silly Canadians. "I know for a fact that you don't know about any other nation's health care system" When in doubt, make shit up. I love it. I probably know more about most other health systems than you do, buddy, including Canada's. Working towards a medical field degree (Physical Therapy) requires a lot of study of the different systems But hey, as long as you "know" I know nothing, right?

You do know culture/society has more to do with life expectancy than health care quality, right? For example, Asians tend to focus their diets on rice, fish, and other lighter fare, which is healthier and helps them live longer. Part of the reason its a staple is it is all many of them can afford. Another reason is the tradition and culture aspect. Is that a testament to the quality of their doctors, or their culture? Its pretty obvious what the answer is, so I don't expect an answer.

List of best medical schools in the world, from a Canadian site (since I assume you'll dismiss the list from US News and World Report as biased)

http://www.physicianjobscanada.com/a-list-of-the-best-medical-schools-in-the-world/

US Schools in top 10- 6 (1. Harvard, 3. Johns Hopkins, 4. UPenn, 6. UCal-San Fran, 7. Yale, 9. Columbia)
Canadian schools in top 10- 0

Top medical research centers

http://www.mastersinhealthcare.com/blog/2011/10-most-prestigious-medical-centers-in-the-world/

US centers in top 10- 3 (numbers 1, 4, and 5) this list doesn't include St. Jude's Children's Hospital, which I believe is the top children's cancer facility in the world.
Canadian centers in top 10- 0

Looks like we have the advantage in med schools and research, should I post more aspects? Or is Canada's inability to crack the top 10 in either category enough for you to admit defeat?

Good effort, it's nice to see someone actually use legitimate references on here for once rather than irrational, emotional outbursts. However, I have been talking about health care SYSTEM. What you say, that the US has the best doctors in the world, well this is probably true, I'm not going to argue against that. Here's the problem. I bet you that in order to see one of those doctors coming out of those particular institutions, you need to have a net worth of at least $5 million. Nobody on this forum will ever see one of these doctors.

The health care system in the US is governed predominantly by money. The statistics on the amount of people who don't have health care in the US is mind boggling.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-16/americans-without-health-insurance-rose-to-52-million-on-job-loss-expense.html

52 million Americans do not have access to health care in the US. Doesn't that blow your mind? That's almost 1 in 6. Do you know how many Canadians have access to health care? All of them. Do you know how many citizens of industrialized nations have access to health care? All of them. What system do you think suits the greater good of society?

[NrmlCurvSurfr]

I could care less about health care, if I lived in Canada I would be throwig my money away. Never get sick really, why would I want to pay for other people's healthcare expenses?(even more than I do now)

[forsberg21]

Forsberg get real bro, you're US jealousy is so great its disgusting, I feel bad for you that you have to vacation in the Arctic Circle while I swim along thousands of miles of beaches, I feel bad that the US controls the world and wins 90% of the Nobel prizes. I wish Canada had some power and that ppl didnt consider you the US's redheaded stepchild but thats the way it is

Okay first off when I said Canucks were broke I meant they were swimming in debt, of course you have lower per capita GDP than the US whilst calling the US broke, this fits with the US always being superior to your country in every way nice to see your posting stats that contradict your arguments, an obvious sign that Canadian secondary education is of high quality, no wonder I cant name a single university in Canada.

The fact that Canada entered the war early and lost 45k lives is in all likelihood related to the fact you were owned by Britain who declared war for basically your entire existence. Canadians never had the balls to get out from under the foot of the British like the US did during the American Revolution a couple hundred years prior in 1776 versus Canadas freedom acquired in FUCKIN 1931 by treaty (basically Britain just finally got tired of raping you). The US lost 10x as many lives and their overwhelming military force is what decided the war, your welcome from the 450k Americans who lost their lives that you werent enslaved by Germany of course your country prolly wouldnt have minded since they had only been free from Britain for 8 years at the time but the US wasnt too interested given that they had already been free of British rule for over 160 years.

The truth is Canada is too insignificant to even matter, whats your population like 500 angry Canucks, nobody even cares, also all the wars you criticize you have supported and fought in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, your country has such strong opinions against those wars that it always follows the US, you are the USs bitch I assure you and the reason you spend so much time thinking about the US is you know the US is 50x greater than your own country, how much time do you think I spend thinking about Canada, you guessed it absolutely never, I dont know shit about your country other than its a socialized icebox that has no influence on the world stage so no one gives it a second look and what I read from the 1 search result that came up when googling Canada (when I yahoo searched it said did you mean Camela?), they also like to throw in an insignificant contribution to every war the US is in then if it becomes unpopular they immediately act like they are disgusted the US would go to war with that country, yea well then why the **** did you send your troops over there ya dumbass Canucks

Go plow some snow forsberg, dont hate on the US just bc we have 50x the land, wealth, power and history of your country

1. 90% of Nobel Prizes? This is a lie.
2. The US's GDP per capita is less than 2% higher than Canada's. Is that a material difference?
3. Canada drowning in debt? The US is about to default on their debt if they don't raise the debt ceiling. Is this happening in Canada? No.
4. You couldn't name 5 cities in Canada let alone a university. Just because you can't name a university in Canada doesn't mean Canada doesn't have good universities. Are you saying that the prestige of a Canadian university depends on whether or not you recognize its name?
5. Contrary to what you've said, Canada actually declared war on Germany independently a week after Britain did. Canada became a country in 1867, not in 1931 because "Britain just finally got tired of raping you". You lied again.
6. Ok so the US lost 450,000 people to WW2. The Soviet Union, our allies, lost 23,000,000. How can you possibly say that the US had a greater impact on WW2 than the Soviets did. The Soviets played both sides, they were with the Germans and then against them. The Soviets were the real heroes of the war, but obviously your propaganda filled textbooks won't tell you that.
7. Canada formally refused to join the war in Iraq actually. You lied again.
8. I never knew Canada fought in Vietnam, LOL. You lied again.
9. "1 search result that came up when googling Canada". That's funny, I got 1,830,000,000. You lied again.
10. "dont hate on the US just bc we have 50x the land, wealth, power and history of your country". I don't hate on the US, I just hate on people like you. You don't have wealth by the way. Do you know how much debt the US is in? History? Sure Canada doesn't have any history relative to other countries on this planet, but neither does the US.

Seriously man, why do you even bother typing? All you post are irrational outbursts of incoherent rambling. You open yourself up so easily, your posts get ripped apart like a live chicken in a cage full of coyotes. Are you going to continue burying yourself in the ground?

[rsnnh12]

Good effort, it's nice to see someone actually use legitimate references on here for once rather than irrational, emotional outbursts. However, I have been talking about health care SYSTEM. What you say, that the US has the best doctors in the world, well this is probably true, I'm not going to argue against that. Here's the problem. I bet you that in order to see one of those doctors coming out of those particular institutions, you need to have a net worth of at least $5 million. Nobody on this forum will ever see one of these doctors.

The health care system in the US is governed predominantly by money. The statistics on the amount of people who don't have health care in the US is mind boggling.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-16/americans-without-health-insurance-rose-to-52-million-on-job-loss-expense.html

52 million Americans do not have access to health care in the US. Doesn't that blow your mind? That's almost 1 in 6. Do you know how many Canadians have access to health care? All of them. Do you know how many citizens of industrialized nations have access to health care? All of them. What system do you think suits the greater good of society?

We were talking the quality of health care, not the availibility of it (which is why you doubted when I said the US has the best doctors/research/equipment/etc, and you responded with the life expectancy).

There's a saying regarding health care in a specific area... it can be 2 of the following 3- cheap, good, and fast. Only 2 of them, not all 3. The US is fast and good, Canada is cheap and good. Its impossible to have all 3 in a decent-sized area.

A big reason universal health care will fail in the US right now is because of our role as most powerful nation. Canada doesn't worry about funding a massive military, about giving tons in aid to other countries, etc (not saying they don't give aid, obviously, just not on the scale of the US). Canada knows that the US will use it's full military force to protect them... military technology/training/equipment is generated in the US, at the taxpayers expense, and adopted by our allies for next to nothing.

Now, I think the US should scale back a lot from that role... keep a strong military, but worry about "us" first. Our health care system is far from perfect, but it does produce the best doctors, techniques, technologies, etc etc. Making it govt run would eliminate that. The govt doesn't run anything as effectively as private businesses.

Which goes into my final point... health care is not a right. It is a luxury. When it comes down to it, everyone has to look out for themselves. You can't force someone with a skill (in this case, medicine) to perform that job on everyone just because they "deserve" it and "everyone should have it, even if they can't afford it"...

[NrmlCurvSurfr]

One thing is certain, forsberg21 is very dedicated to educating sbr posters on his point of view of the US, as it compares to Canada.

[Emily_Haines]

When you have more than 3% of the population in prison. You live in a failed state. The USA is the cess pool of the world.

[rsnnh12]

When you have more than 3% of the population in prison. You live in a failed state. The USA is the cess pool of the world.

Oh Emily, spreading lies again, huh? 3% of a 300 million population is 9 million, agreed? Around 2.5 million people are in prison in the US... less than 1%

[FourLengthsClear]

The US won't default on it's sovereign debt. It can't.

Without overstating it, a default would mean:

1) A huge rise in interest rates due to reduced demand for government bonds - who wants to take on new debt of a country that can't pay?

2) The US Dollar undergoing a sharp devaluation, not least because existing bond holders will dump US debts.

3) A deep recession which starts in the US but affects everywhere.

Look at how markets react to just the possibility of small countries like Ireland and Portugal defaulting. In the case of the US actually defaulting you could multiply that by a thousand.

[bettilimbroke999]

The application of my statistics have ruined whatever credibility you and your incoherent rants ever had. If you don't use statistics in your arguments, especially arguments involving quantitative data (which every argument essentially is), then you'll end up sounding like our boy Billy Walters, the joke of SBR forums.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

If you want to talk about deaths, then over a dozen (I stopped counting) countries suffered more deaths as a result of WW2 than the US did. So what was the US's contribution really? It wasn't as big as you think, but I don't blame you. Fox News has you believing that G.I. Joe went into Germany and wiped out all the Nazis, took out Mussolini in Italy and then overlooked as the ink dried on the signing of the papers when Japan surrendered.

If you want to talk about Canada's contribution in WW2, you can't compare the size of the population of Canada and the US, it's not even an apples and oranges argument. Canada lost 0.40% of their population due to WW2 while the US lost 0.32%. If we're talking about RELATIVE contributions to the population, Canada actually sacrificed more in terms of lives than the US did.

Going with this argument, it's funny how Americans say that they are the most generous country in the world. Sure, they are the 3rd most populated country in the world, and the richest, so obviously the SUM of their donations is going to be the largest. But when you break it down the average American gave $0.73 to the relief effort in Haiti while the average Canadian gave $5.67. Who is more generous now? The only thing the "moral" US did was get in there and block off the airport to all other relief organizations.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datab...ntry-donations

I wont argue with you about the war bc your head is roughly a foot up your ass, the Soviets lost 23 million with a war on 1 front, how do you think they would've done fighting that war on 2 fronts with the Japs as well, you sir are a moron to downplay the US role, without question if the US had remained neutral the Axis powers win, the US contribution is what won the war PERIOD, this is not even debateable if you look at the facts

Sum is the only thing that matters in this world, do you think Bill Gates would like 100 bucks from 1 user or 50 bucks from a billion users, who gives a **** that that one user was more generous, give me a break forsberg your country blows. (Youd have to google translate that into German if it wasnt for the US, your welcome)

[The Madcap]

Good effort, it's nice to see someone actually use legitimate references on here for once rather than irrational, emotional outbursts. However, I have been talking about health care SYSTEM. What you say, that the US has the best doctors in the world, well this is probably true, I'm not going to argue against that. Here's the problem. I bet you that in order to see one of those doctors coming out of those particular institutions, you need to have a net worth of at least $5 million. Nobody on this forum will ever see one of these doctors.

The health care system in the US is governed predominantly by money. The statistics on the amount of people who don't have health care in the US is mind boggling.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-16/americans-without-health-insurance-rose-to-52-million-on-job-loss-expense.html

52 million Americans do not have access to health care in the US. Doesn't that blow your mind? That's almost 1 in 6. Do you know how many Canadians have access to health care? All of them. Do you know how many citizens of industrialized nations have access to health care? All of them. What system do you think suits the greater good of society?

Forsberg, while I admire your enthusiasm for your homeland's institutions, you should stick to saying how much you love your system instead of impugning ours.

Case in point, I am one of those 52 million Americans without health insurance. And I don't have a "net worth of at least $5 million."

In the last year I have seen two specialists for a hand injury I got lifting weights. Both orthopedic surgeons, one is a consultant for an NHL hockey club, and the other did his residency at Mass General in Boston (routinely rated as one of the best 2-3 hospitals in the United States). Neither of these guys were out of my price range, and I currently make less than 40K a year.

Now, I did have to pay out of pocket, and the MRI I had to get wasn't exactly cheap. (about $1000 dollars). BUUUUUUUUUUUT, they don't make you pay for it up front. You can pay as little as $20 month. Meaning their top notch care is accessible to everybody.

Unfortunately for me, the MRI did not reveal enough for them to operate. The reason why they said, is because I waited so long after the injury to do anything about it and get a diagnosis (about 6 months). They say with this particular type of injury, waiting is the worst thing you can do for it. And so now my hand is still screwed up, they don't know how to fix it, and I'm seeking out a third opinion later this month, from another top-notch doctor that works for one of the best sports medicine clinics in the nation.

Now this is all my fault. It's my stubborn vanity that believes I can heal myself with mere will-power like Wolverine. Both times when I called to set up an appointment I was seeing the doctor in a week or two. When I scheduled the MRI, it was a week or two later. So if I hadn't been so proud, and simply sought medical help from the outset, I'd probably have been healed months ago, whereas here it is, 15 months after the injury, and I still don't have full use of my hand.

Now let's say I was in Canada. Where lining up an appointment with a specialist can take months, and MRI waiting times are as long as 6-8 months. I'd be in the same exact fukking boat. But there's a difference....here I can keep seeking out as many opinions as I want, as often as I want, and as quickly as I see fit, until I get the problem fixed. I get to shop around and pick out whoever I think the best guy would be. I don't have that option in Canada. In Canada I'd just get told to suck on it by the government.

There is nothing about the US medical system that has prevented healing my injury other than a lack of humility and foresight on my part, a lesson now learned. A lesson that wouldn't fukking matter in Canada, where the results would be worse, because not only would my hand still be screwed up, I would have no real hope of a solution.

SO SHUT THE FUK UP ALREADY.

I'm happy you're content with your system, good for you. That doesn't mean it's the best system, nor does it mean it's better than ours, it just means it's good for you. Well what's good for you ain't what's good for everybody. The people in this country prefer freedom of choice and the responsibility that comes with making that choice than to be told who, when, and where by the government simply to save some monetary expense. So again, as politely as I can communicate it to a guy who won't stop running his mouth when he's got no clue what he's talking about, SHUT THE FUK UP.

[subs]

The US won't default on it's sovereign debt. It can't.

Without overstating it, a default would mean:

1) A huge rise in interest rates due to reduced demand for government bonds - who wants to take on new debt of a country that can't pay?

2) The US Dollar undergoing a sharp devaluation, not least because existing bond holders will dump US debts.

3) A deep recession which starts in the US but affects everywhere.

Look at how markets react to just the possibility of small countries like Ireland and Portugal defaulting. In the case of the US actually defaulting you could multiply that by a thousand.

if the US defaults, so will every1 else.

then what? print it's own money and screw the bankers. 1 day it will default because of the nature of politics and the ponzi scheme that is money creation by private banks.

[William Walters]

Forsberg, while I admire your enthusiasm for your homeland's institutions, you should stick to saying how much you love your system instead of impugning ours.

Case in point, I am one of those 52 million Americans without health insurance. And I don't have a "net worth of at least $5 million."

In the last year I have seen two specialists for a hand injury I got lifting weights. Both orthopedic surgeons, one is a consultant for an NHL hockey club, and the other did his residency at Mass General in Boston (routinely rated as one of the best 2-3 hospitals in the United States). Neither of these guys were out of my price range, and I currently make less than 40K a year.

Now, I did have to pay out of pocket, and the MRI I had to get wasn't exactly cheap. (about $1000 dollars). BUUUUUUUUUUUT, they don't make you pay for it up front. You can pay as little as $20 month. Meaning their top notch care is accessible to everybody.

Unfortunately for me, the MRI did not reveal enough for them to operate. The reason why they said, is because I waited so long after the injury to do anything about it and get a diagnosis (about 6 months). They say with this particular type of injury, waiting is the worst thing you can do for it. And so now my hand is still screwed up, they don't know how to fix it, and I'm seeking out a third opinion later this month, from another top-notch doctor that works for one of the best sports medicine clinics in the nation.

Now this is all my fault. It's my stubborn vanity that believes I can heal myself with mere will-power like Wolverine. Both times when I called to set up an appointment I was seeing the doctor in a week or two. When I scheduled the MRI, it was a week or two later. So if I hadn't been so proud, and simply sought medical help from the outset, I'd probably have been healed months ago, whereas here it is, 15 months after the injury, and I still don't have full use of my hand.

Now let's say I was in Canada. Where lining up an appointment with a specialist can take months, and MRI waiting times are as long as 6-8 months. I'd be in the same exact fukking boat. But there's a difference....here I can keep seeking out as many opinions as I want, as often as I want, and as quickly as I see fit, until I get the problem fixed. I get to shop around and pick out whoever I think the best guy would be. I don't have that option in Canada. In Canada I'd just get told to suck on it by the government.

There is nothing about the US medical system that has prevented healing my injury other than a lack of humility and foresight on my part, a lesson now learned. A lesson that wouldn't fukking matter in Canada, where the results would be worse, because not only would my hand still be screwed up, I would have no real hope of a solution.

SO SHUT THE FUK UP ALREADY.

I'm happy you're content with your system, good for you. That doesn't mean it's the best system, nor does it mean it's better than ours, it just means it's good for you. Well what's good for you ain't what's good for everybody. The people in this country prefer freedom of choice and the responsibility that comes with making that choice than to be told who, when, and where by the government simply to save some monetary expense. So again, as politely as I can communicate it to a guy who won't stop running his mouth when he's got no clue what he's talking about, SHUT THE FUK UP.

EXACTLY!

[forsberg21]

I wont argue with you about the war bc your head is roughly a foot up your ass, the Soviets lost 23 million with a war on 1 front, how do you think they would've done fighting that war on 2 fronts with the Japs as well, you sir are a moron to downplay the US role, without question if the US had remained neutral the Axis powers win, the US contribution is what won the war PERIOD, this is not even debateable if you look at the facts

Sum is the only thing that matters in this world, do you think Bill Gates would like 100 bucks from 1 user or 50 bucks from a billion users, who gives a **** that that one user was more generous, give me a break forsberg your country blows. (Youd have to google translate that into German if it wasnt for the US, your welcome)

So you're saying that the number of fronts you fight on is the only thing that matters, right?

The Soviets fought with the Germans and then against them. They lost 23 million people.

"without question if the US had remained neutral the Axis powers win, the US contribution is what won the war PERIOD, this is not even debateable if you look at the facts" This is VERY debatable actually. It's funny that you're taking about facts because the only thing you have done up until now is make them up.

This is the best:

"Sum is the only thing that matters in this world, do you think Bill Gates would like 100 bucks from 1 user or 50 bucks from a billion users, who gives a **** that that one user was more generous, give me a break forsberg your country blows. (Youd have to google translate that into German if it wasnt for the US, your welcome)"

LOL, what does that even mean? Would you care to put that into English, or at least in a string of words that can be understood?

Just out of curiosity, what was the highest level of education that you've completed?

[forsberg21]

Forsberg, while I admire your enthusiasm for your homeland's institutions, you should stick to saying how much you love your system instead of impugning ours.

Case in point, I am one of those 52 million Americans without health insurance. And I don't have a "net worth of at least $5 million."

In the last year I have seen two specialists for a hand injury I got lifting weights. Both orthopedic surgeons, one is a consultant for an NHL hockey club, and the other did his residency at Mass General in Boston (routinely rated as one of the best 2-3 hospitals in the United States). Neither of these guys were out of my price range, and I currently make less than 40K a year.

Now, I did have to pay out of pocket, and the MRI I had to get wasn't exactly cheap. (about $1000 dollars). BUUUUUUUUUUUT, they don't make you pay for it up front. You can pay as little as $20 month. Meaning their top notch care is accessible to everybody.

Unfortunately for me, the MRI did not reveal enough for them to operate. The reason why they said, is because I waited so long after the injury to do anything about it and get a diagnosis (about 6 months). They say with this particular type of injury, waiting is the worst thing you can do for it. And so now my hand is still screwed up, they don't know how to fix it, and I'm seeking out a third opinion later this month, from another top-notch doctor that works for one of the best sports medicine clinics in the nation.

Now this is all my fault. It's my stubborn vanity that believes I can heal myself with mere will-power like Wolverine. Both times when I called to set up an appointment I was seeing the doctor in a week or two. When I scheduled the MRI, it was a week or two later. So if I hadn't been so proud, and simply sought medical help from the outset, I'd probably have been healed months ago, whereas here it is, 15 months after the injury, and I still don't have full use of my hand.

Now let's say I was in Canada. Where lining up an appointment with a specialist can take months, and MRI waiting times are as long as 6-8 months. I'd be in the same exact fukking boat. But there's a difference....here I can keep seeking out as many opinions as I want, as often as I want, and as quickly as I see fit, until I get the problem fixed. I get to shop around and pick out whoever I think the best guy would be. I don't have that option in Canada. In Canada I'd just get told to suck on it by the government.

There is nothing about the US medical system that has prevented healing my injury other than a lack of humility and foresight on my part, a lesson now learned. A lesson that wouldn't fukking matter in Canada, where the results would be worse, because not only would my hand still be screwed up, I would have no real hope of a solution.

SO SHUT THE FUK UP ALREADY.

I'm happy you're content with your system, good for you. That doesn't mean it's the best system, nor does it mean it's better than ours, it just means it's good for you. Well what's good for you ain't what's good for everybody. The people in this country prefer freedom of choice and the responsibility that comes with making that choice than to be told who, when, and where by the government simply to save some monetary expense. So again, as politely as I can communicate it to a guy who won't stop running his mouth when he's got no clue what he's talking about, SHUT THE FUK UP.

Good effort there Madcap, but I stopped taking you seriously when you said this:

"Now let's say I was in Canada. Where lining up an appointment with a specialist can take months, and MRI waiting times are as long as 6-8 months."

This is an outright lie. 6 to 8 months? No. That is simply untrue. I know this for a fact. A good friend of mine is going for an MRI next week. He book it at the beginning of this month. I'm not trying to be funny or anything, but this 6 to 8 month thing sounds like something they would say on Fox News.

"In Canada I'd just get told to suck on it by the government."
"A lesson that wouldn't fukking matter in Canada, where the results would be worse, because not only would my hand still be screwed up, I would have no real hope of a solution. "

Don't you think that's a bit of a stretch? Seriously. Your post started off sound, but ended like an irrational rant.

BTW, that $20 a month? With the way they set up the financing and interest rates, I bet you'll be paying that $20 a month for 20 years. Guess how much my friend paid? $0.

Lastly, I found this very ironic:

"The people in this country prefer freedom of choice and the responsibility that comes with making that choice than to be told who, when, and where by the government"

Can you tell me how the restriction of Americans to play online poker/sportsbook wagering is consistent with what you just said?

[bettilimbroke999]

This is the best:

"Sum is the only thing that matters in this world, do you think Bill Gates would like 100 bucks from 1 user or 50 bucks from a billion users, who gives a **** that that one user was more generous, give me a break forsberg your country blows. (Youd have to google translate that into German if it wasnt for the US, your welcome)"

LOL, what does that even mean? Would you care to put that into English, or at least in a string of words that can be understood?

Just out of curiosity, what was the highest level of education that you've completed?

I was responding to your post that somehow Canada is more generous when they donated 500 bucks to Haiti bc it translates to roughly 5 dollars/citizen while the US donated 500 million which is only 50 cents/citizen, Im sorry your brain is not advanced enough to have understood it the first time should I try to explain it to you again or do you need me to count it out on my fingers in a video, 500 million IS BIGGER THAN 500 bucks, just ask an American tourist to explain it to you

What difference does it make what education level I have, if I graduated 1st grade Id be over your head, just bc you got a degree from the University of the Arctic Circle dont be thinkin you're fuckin Einstein

[forsberg21]

I was responding to your post that somehow Canada is more generous when they donated 500 bucks to Haiti bc it translates to roughly 5 dollars/citizen while the US donated 500 million which is only 50 cents/citizen, Im sorry your brain is not advanced enough to have understood it the first time should I try to explain it to you again or do you need me to count it out on my fingers in a video, 500 million IS BIGGER THAN 500 bucks, just ask an American tourist to explain it to you

What difference does it make what education level I have, if I graduated 1st grade Id be over your head, just bc you got a degree from the University of the Arctic Circle dont be thinkin you're fuckin Einstein

Going back to what you said: "Sum is the only thing that matters in this world, do you think Bill Gates would like 100 bucks from 1 user or 50 bucks from a billion users, who gives a **** that that one user was more generous, give me a break forsberg your country blows. (Youd have to google translate that into German if it wasnt for the US, your welcome)"

Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? What you're saying is severely flawed and you presented it in an incredibly incoherent manner.

Contrary to what you said, "sum" is not the only thing that matters. When you measure a nation's standard of living, an excellent indicator to use is GDP per capita. This is the total value of all goods produced in the economy divided by the number of people living in that economy, more or less. When you compare the GDP per capita between Canada to China, China's is much lower. Yet, the "sum" of GDP in China is much higher. Canadians have a much, much higher standard of living than the Chinese, despite having a much lower (sum) GDP. In China, that GDP is spread among 1.3 billion Chinese people and this isn't even spread evenly due to China's small middle class. Canada's GDP is spread much more evenly across the population of 34,000,000. Regardless of how the GDP is spread, GDP/capita (average), is a superior indicator of standard of living than GDP alone because you are comparing the amount of goods the AVERAGE citizen consumes/creates.

Here's a thought provoking question to you. What country would you rather live in (this is assuming standard of life is your main criteria)? China, with its oodles and oodles of GDP, or Canada, with a fraction of the GDP? You'd choose Canada, because the AVERAGE GDP is superior to China's, despite it having a fraction of China's GDP. I have a feeling this stuff is way beyond your head, I hope your head isn't hurting at this point.

To say that sum is the only thing that matters is utterly ridiculous. Maybe you never made it to the grade where they taught you AVERAGE. Things got a little too tricky for you with all the addition AND division going on at the same time!

BTW, what is your highest level of education completed? (If any)

I have a strong feeling your reply (rant) is going to consist of speaking German and the US in WW2 again.

[bettilimbroke999]

Forsberg you're dumber than a retarded pile of bricks, the fact is you are too dumb to even understand 2+2=4 so arguing with you has become pointless, you apply "sum is everything" to averages which is clearly not what I was saying

Think for a second (if thats possible for you), lets say you worked at your McDs or Walmart (US companies) job in Canada all day and made 50 dollars, then somebody gave you a check on behalf of the US for a million dollars, now even though on a per person scale the payment from the store manager was larger which would make a bigger difference?

You see the fact that Canada is unpopulated is clearly going to give them an advantage when you average things out but the EFFECT on the rest of the world is based on sums, do you really think Canada's economy is more important than China's? Do you think Canada's is even close to as important as the US? Do you possess the brain power that was given to a mountain goat? The answer to all 3 is obviously no, unless your Canadian in which Canada is as important as China and the US bc it has a small enough population to have comparable averages to the countries 50x larger

[forsberg21]

Forsberg you're dumber than a retarded pile of bricks, the fact is you are too dumb to even understand 2+2=4 so arguing with you has become pointless, you apply "sum is everything" to averages which is clearly not what I was saying

Think for a second (if thats possible for you), lets say you worked at your McDs or Walmart (US companies) job in Canada all day and made 50 dollars, then somebody gave you a check on behalf of the US for a million dollars, now even though on a per person scale the payment from the store manager was larger which would make a bigger difference?

You see the fact that Canada is unpopulated clearly going to give them an advantage when you average things out but the EFFECT on the rest of the world is based on sums, do you really think Canada's economy is more important than China's? Do you think Canada's is even close to as important as the US? Do you possess the brain that was given to a mountain goat? The answer to all 3 is obviously no, unless your Canadian in which Canada is as important as China and the US bc it has a small enough population to have comparable averages to the countries 50x larger

"Think for a second (if thats possible for you), lets say you worked at your McDs or Walmart (US companies) job in Canada all day and made 50 dollars, then somebody gave you a check on behalf of the US for a million dollars, now even though on a per person scale the payment from the McDs owner was was larger which would make a bigger difference to you?"

This is utter nonsense. I was able to express my thoughts more coherently than this at the age of 5. WTF are you trying to say here? Are you that retarded that you can't put the thoughts in your head onto paper? Try again, I have no clue WTF you are talking about here.

"the fact that Canada is unpopulated clearly going to give them an advantage when you average things out" An advantage? Are you saying this because it's convenient for your "argument" (I use argument very lightly because the words that you've randomly thrown together barely constitutes an argument).

"do you really think Canada's economy is more important than China's?" When did I ever say or imply this? Do you know how to comprehend what you're reading? I was talking about GDP per capita, not the importance of Canada's and China's economy. You lie again.

Does "the fact that Canada is unpopulated clearly going to give them an advantage when you average things out" mean that it would help out Kenya (population of 33,829,590), Tanzania (population 36,766,356) and Morocco (population of 32,998,855) since they have very similar populations? Let's have a look:

GDP and GDP per capita:

Canada - $1,574,051,000,000 and $46,215
Kenya - $32,417,000,000 and $809
Tanzania - $22,434,000,000 and $548
Morocco - $103,482,000,000 and $3249

Now, going by what you said that being "unpopulated clearly going to give them an advantage when you average things out", where is the logic in your words? Under your definition, these countries are all "unpopulated", right? (The proper word you should have used is "underpopulated") Where is Kenya's, Tanzania's or Morocco's advantage? I thought you said they'd have an advantage because they are "unpopulated". These 3 countries should have the advantage of averaging and should have the same GDP and GDP per capita as Canada, right? Do you understand how stupid you are? Do you understand how little, or NO SENSE, this makes? A 20 year old from the ghetto would never say something as dumb as this, but you just did.

Now I'm positive that the highest possible level of education you've completed is a basic high school degree. There's nothing wrong with that. The problem is that you come on here and think you know everything when the truth is, not only do you not know anything whatsoever about the issue at hand, you lie. You are a pathetic redneck who thinks he's the greatest when in reality, you're nothing but a bad joke.

If I were an American, and thank God I'm not, I'd be embarrassed to share the same passport and citizenship as you (even though you don't own one since it's obvious you've never left your country in your entire 44 year existence). You are a disgrace.