Miami is a superteam.
Bulls have no chance.
A sweep would not surprise me at all.
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Dabeergod
SBR Hall of Famer
04-30-10
5503
#177
Couldn't agree with ya more. Was able to get the Heat to win the series at even price from a local somehow, and unloaded on it.
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Kindred
SBR MVP
09-09-08
2901
#178
teams that win the first game usually win the series, and you admit the bulls are likely to win the first game..So Bulls to the finals it is
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Kindred
SBR MVP
09-09-08
2901
#179
Originally posted by Dabeergod
Couldn't agree with ya more. Was able to get the Heat to win the series at even price from a local somehow, and unloaded on it.
Bet the max and then take the bulls online at +165 or better and be guaranteed a nice win
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jizay
SBR Wise Guy
08-07-09
975
#180
Originally posted by politicin
anybody making light of asik just doesn't know much about basketball and the matchup problems he and other big men will cause for miami
Do tell - what are the matchup problems that Ashit causes? They don't have to guard the guy - he scored 4 points total in 3 games against Miami this year and in general averages under 3 a game. Is he going to guard Bosh? Miami would love that. He will most of the time (and by "time" I mean his 10-14 mins/game) be guarding one of those awful Miami centers who Miami doesn't depend on to score. The biggest contribution of Ashit is that he will haul down some D rebounds, which is all he did vs. Miami this year. That's a good thing, but it's just stupid to think that he's a difference maker in this series, and the only people I see posting that are Bulls homers and blind Miami haters.
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bondguy007
SBR High Roller
04-02-11
109
#181
I don't gamble, I use the SBR sportsbook! (cheap plug!)
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Tallcash21
SBR High Roller
05-06-11
200
#182
Or you could watch espn or read articles on the match ups written by professionals sayin exactly that...Asik is the 2nd best center in this series with the the best center being Noah. Your team would kill to have Asik and I wouldnt feel as good about the Bulls if you had anyone like him.
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d2bets
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08-10-05
39995
#183
Originally posted by jizay
Do tell - what are the matchup problems that Ashit causes? They don't have to guard the guy - he scored 4 points total in 3 games against Miami this year and in general averages under 3 a game. Is he going to guard Bosh? Miami would love that. He will most of the time (and by "time" I mean his 10-14 mins/game) be guarding one of those awful Miami centers who Miami doesn't depend on to score. The biggest contribution of Ashit is that he will haul down some D rebounds, which is all he did vs. Miami this year. That's a good thing, but it's just stupid to think that he's a difference maker in this series, and the only people I see posting that are Bulls homers and blind Miami haters.
Matchup problems meaning keeping him off the glass. I think offensive rebounds could be a big factor in the series, and I think the Bulls can control the glass. It also just means making shots at the rim more difficult for James and Wade.
With Anthony as a non-factor offensively, I think we'll say Noah watching Bosh and Boozer on Anthony.
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Dabeergod
SBR Hall of Famer
04-30-10
5503
#184
Originally posted by Kindred
Bet the max and then take the bulls online at +165 or better and be guaranteed a nice win
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TodayIsForgotten
SBR Wise Guy
06-19-06
534
#185
I totally agree with the OP. Even in the regular season the heat gave away all those games. They were close and in 2 or 3 of them they were either missing one or two key players. I really do not think this will be as epic of a series as everyone thinks. Maybe a 5 game set to the Heat. The bulls are really not that good of a team. Yes, they have good role players but once you stop or limit rose, or stop everyone else...
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d2bets
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08-10-05
39995
#186
Originally posted by TodayIsForgotten
I totally agree with the OP. Even in the regular season the heat gave away all those games. They were close and in 2 or 3 of them they were either missing one or two key players. I really do not think this will be as epic of a series as everyone thinks. Maybe a 5 game set to the Heat. The bulls are really not that good of a team. Yes, they have good role players but once you stop or limit rose, or stop everyone else...
Yeah sure they're not that good. They got lucky to win 29 of their last 34 games. Just a fluke. 36-5 at home? Lucky again.
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Tallcash21
SBR High Roller
05-06-11
200
#187
^Brilliant post^ meant the one you jus quoted...you snuck in there and called him out before me lol
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CHI-TOWN ROOKIE
SBR High Roller
01-27-10
193
#188
The BULLS do have a chance. Match ups lebron and wade vs rose and boozer, bosh vs rest of bulls. Bulls bench vs Heat bench, advantage Bulls. Heat its a public team and everyone its going to ride them. If Bulls beat them 3 out of 3 than they know exacly what to expect. BOL
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CHI-TOWN ROOKIE
SBR High Roller
01-27-10
193
#189
It will be DENG AND ROSE ACTUALLY VS WADE AND LEBRON. THEN U CAN FIGURE OUT THE OTHER MATCHUPS.
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CHI-TOWN ROOKIE
SBR High Roller
01-27-10
193
#190
Size advantage (bulls)
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CHI-TOWN ROOKIE
SBR High Roller
01-27-10
193
#191
The HEAT did win in 5, but they could off easely lost all of them. Lets not 4get that the CELTICS were all banged up and they still could of won 1 or 2 games they gave away in the end.
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CHI-TOWN ROOKIE
SBR High Roller
01-27-10
193
#192
When the HAWKS tought they had the BULLS figured out, they got destroyed.
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CHI-TOWN ROOKIE
SBR High Roller
01-27-10
193
#193
Coach of the yr. And player of the yr baby. Lets not 4get we also have a better coach baby.
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JOHON8
SBR Hall of Famer
01-28-10
7712
#194
When the Bulls win this forum is going to be very quite, just like what happened in Spurs/Grizzlies match up. Everyone flocked on the Spurs without taking into account Memphis' dominating record over them in the regular season.
While you place you're Miami bets you might as well buy your bookmakers a martini.
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FrozenMAN
SBR MVP
01-23-09
4334
#195
BULLS IN 6....heat blow...those times when the big 3 douchebags are out are gonna be the deciding times, even if its only a few minutes and the bulls are gonna give em the buisness....Bulls +165 for the series is GREAT value too...heat are overrated as they beat a shitty 76ers team and then a geezer infested boston team who is crap as well....bulls are gonna get it done and show that all these fags shoulda came to chicago if they wanted to win
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21dartmouth
SBR Hustler
01-19-11
72
#196
this will go down a legendary thread in sbr, along with "Derick Rose Will Not Be A Dominant Player"
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Goat Milk
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03-24-10
25850
#197
Pitiful. Just copying everything I said before the season started.
attention to all, lakerboy said the Heat would get knocked out in the first round by Philly
Cause Sleep is the Cousin of Death
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Goat Milk
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03-24-10
25850
#198
LOL its so funny how many people think the Bulls have a chance.
Everyone thought the Heat coming together was just a bunch of talent and always forgot that Wade and James are veterans in the league surrounded by even older veterans. These two are different animals in the playoffs evidenced by the last 7 years of their careers and what they have accomplished in the playoffs.
Derrick Rose is 22 years old. He's done nothing. Noah has done nothing. Boozer has made a WCF once. Deng has done nothing. Bogans nothing. The Bulls bench has accomplished nothing. Thibbideou is the only guy that has experience on the Bulls and now they are suddenly gonna win a title because people want to be taken back to when Chicago was the golden city of basketball?
Derrick Rose is not Michael Jordan and he has no Scotty Pippens or Rodman's on his teams last time I checked.
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JT OZ
SBR MVP
08-16-10
2076
#199
On the same note as you saying the Bulls players haven't accomplished anything, who besides Wade has proven anything for Miami? Don't get me wrong I like the heat in this series but I think Chicago has a lot better chance than you or others are giving them.
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politicin
Restricted User
01-14-11
1647
#200
Hey Goat, I can't wait until you get caught with your pants down once again and ride away into the sunset once and for all one naked, wrong, and defeated cowgirl.
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StanleySharp
SBR Wise Guy
02-20-11
645
#201
Heat in 6
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politicin
Restricted User
01-14-11
1647
#202
Originally posted by StanleySharp
bulls in 6
fyp
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jizay
SBR Wise Guy
08-07-09
975
#203
Originally posted by d2bets
Matchup problems meaning keeping him off the glass. I think offensive rebounds could be a big factor in the series, and I think the Bulls can control the glass.
We can agree there. I simply stated - and got jumped on for it - that Asik is no good. He had 2 offensive rebounds in the 3 games these teams played this year. Rebounding will be an advantage for the Bulls if this stiff plays 0 minutes. If he injured his knee during warmups and was out for the series, all of the same Bulls homers haunting the forums would not lose one bit of confidence in the Bulls to win the series. They would say the Bulls still have all the same advantages. And I would agree with them. The Bulls' chances to win do not ride on Ashit.
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Goat Milk
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03-24-10
25850
#204
Originally posted by JT OZ
On the same note as you saying the Bulls players haven't accomplished anything, who besides Wade has proven anything for Miami? Don't get me wrong I like the heat in this series but I think Chicago has a lot better chance than you or others are giving them.
Lebron has been in the NBA finals, Conferences finals multiple years as well. The same goes for guys like Big Z, Haslem (championship), Howard, Dampier (finals appearance), Bibby (conf. finals), and maybe others I've forgotten. Boozer (WCF appearance), Kover (WCF appearance) and Thibbedeu (championship, finals apperance) are the three most experienced guys on the Bulls team. I'm not discounting the coaching. Tom is a way better coach than Eric.
However, this really just boils down to X's and O's. In the finals, I expect Spolstra to get exposed, and it will be up to the playoffs to make up for that lack of successful encouragement.
The Bulls are going to rely on Keith Bogans and Brewer to guard Dwayne Wade in this series. While this may seem solid, both of these guys have had trouble in the past defending Wade. Wade is originally from Chicago, and has had some his best PLAYOFF performances against the Bulls in the past. The same goes for Lebron, who will be guarded by Luol Deng. Deng in my opinion is the Bulls best perimeter defender, and can handle Lebron at times, but when he has the jump shot going, similar to Durant, Rose, or any other star, there is no one in the world that can defend Lebron. Deng I believe can make it hard for him at times, but to be frank, that's not enough when you have another top tier option in Dwayne Wade. 2 of the 3 best players on the planet on one team (and no, it can't be argued that Rose is better than Wade because He's done it for 1 season, and Wade even put up way better numbers in the past than Rose just did when he was the only option on a team). So miami has the 2 best players on the court.
Rose is going to get his but he's going to be guarded by about 4 different defenders. Bibby, Chalmers, Rose, and James. That's a lot of guys at a lot of different sizes, speeds, and lengths that can make it difficult for Rose.
Lets remember that the Jazz team that got to the WCF was very similar to this Bulls team. Bulls have a little better defense, but this team is structured the same way. A dominant scoring pg in D will, and they had Brewer, they had Korver and Boozer, they had Raja Ball (i.e. similar to Bogans), CJ miles- similar to deng, not as good. But you get the picture. They were never getting to the NBA championship.
Also lets remember that Boozer is one of the worst PF defenders in the NBA. Bosh will be a factor in this series, and with constant collapsing on Wade and James, Bosh is going to get wide open shots on a consistant basis and he loves those midrange jump shots.
The Bulls have a significant advantage in the paint with their bigs, but we have to take into account foul trouble. You got the two leading free throw shooters in the league on 1 team, puting pressure on the refs every possession. Its likely that Noah and Boozer are in foul trouble in some of these games. Plus Wade and James both averaged nearly 10 rebounds a piece in the Boston series. These guys are fully capable and explosive enough to grab rebounds over 7 footers when its needed.
The Bulls bench also has an advantage here. Guys like CJ Watson, Ashik, Gibson, Brewer have proven their toughness in the playoffs. However, the Bulls are seriously lacking in that guy off the bench that can create offense whenever he wants. They need Watson to be that guy for them. The Heat bench hasn't even been utilized. Think about Haslem, who is one of the best on the defensive end when he's healthy, chalmers, big bodies like Big Z, Dampier, Maglore, HOward, all who have signifcant playoff EXPERIENCE. Mike Miller has been no where to be found. These guys are going to get theirs eventually. Remember that in the end, these guys are NBA players, they won't keep missing WIDE OPEN jump shots on a consistant basis. In the end, they still are in the NBA. Just remember that.
So while Chicago might rely on packing in the paint and Rose creating most of the offense, they just don't have the offensive weapons to keep up with MIami in a playoff series of 7 games. Miami is going to pack in the paint too and force Rose to give it up. Bogans and Deng proven they can make outside shots, but the Heat are some of the best at closing out the three point line, and if you miss a deep 2, they are off to the races most likely with Wade and James.
So Miami has a significant advantage on the fast break. What we saw in the BOston series is that MIami is ruthless on the defensive end when you let them get their defense set. That's why Doc Rivers was begging Rondo to PUSH the ball and get Miami off Balance. Chicago must do this to have any sort of success. WHen the jitters are going, a lot of young pgs just bring it up slowly and think thats its easier to get a bucket like that when its not.
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t-wizzle
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12-18-09
38099
#205
Stop posting your write-ups in other people's threads. We all know that you are on Miami... let the series play out.
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d2bets
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08-10-05
39995
#206
Originally posted by jizay
We can agree there. I simply stated - and got jumped on for it - that Asik is no good. He had 2 offensive rebounds in the 3 games these teams played this year. Rebounding will be an advantage for the Bulls if this stiff plays 0 minutes. If he injured his knee during warmups and was out for the series, all of the same Bulls homers haunting the forums would not lose one bit of confidence in the Bulls to win the series. They would say the Bulls still have all the same advantages. And I would agree with them. The Bulls' chances to win do not ride on Ashit.
I'm not saying they can't win without him, but he is a very good player and can be a key player, esp if Noah got into foul trouble.
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Goat Milk
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03-24-10
25850
#207
Originally posted by t-wizzle
Stop posting your write-ups in other people's threads. We all know that you are on Miami... let the series play out.
Its not even a write up. We're having a discussion. Other people's threads? This a public forum boss. You don't own any threads.
You and LakerBoy both said Miami would not be getting to the Finals this year and now are suddenly flip-flopping. What a surprise.
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JOHON8
SBR Hall of Famer
01-28-10
7712
#208
Look at the Lakers, Spurs, Celtics etc... knocked out, how can anyone say the Heat have the edge because they are more experienced? This is a playoffs for younger faster teams like OKC, Memphis, and Chicago.
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Goat Milk
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03-24-10
25850
#209
Originally posted by JOHON8
Look at the Lakers, Spurs, Celtics etc... knocked out, how can anyone say the Heat have the edge because they are more experienced? This is a playoffs for younger faster teams like OKC, Memphis, and Chicago.
Miami is one of the fastest, most athletic teams we've seen in the last 20 years so I'm not sure what you're getting at here.