Is Derek Jeter a First Ballot Hall of Famer???

[daimoshokage]

He fukking sucks right now but I believe he's still a first ballot hall of famer.. He's called Mr. Clutch and that said it all..

[dynamite140]

FRAUD

[Extra Innings]

Yes...when you take a look at his career as a whole

plus 300 on a winning team over and over again

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/j/jeterde01.shtml#batting_standard::none

[newjerseydevils]

only if you are a new york yankees fan. sorry just trying to get my daily points =)

[McBa1n]

It can be argued, the Jeter was NEVER the best player at his position for even 1 year of his career. In fact, he wasn't top 3 for many of those years. Probably the most over-rated ball player I've ever seen. His clutch play is way over rated.

[Cuse0323]

First ballot, no.

[freeVICK]

yes

[ttwarrior1]

this might be the dumbest post ever, of course he is first ballot, even if he batted .120 this year and next

[szk1983]

i don't see how that question can even be asked. If he retired tomorrow he'd be a first balloter.

[Grits n' Gravy]

I'm a Red Sox fan and even I put him in on the first year he is eligible.

[boatboatboat]

yes

Now if he played for the Royals and had no playoff games to show off his talents, he wouldn't be.

But he played for the Yanks on the biggest stage and came thru, time and time again.

1st ballot without a doubt.

[jstblaze]

We cant forget he lead the team.

I dont mean in terms of stats, although im sure he leads in some playoff stat category, but he was the leader of this team when they won world series.

[jjgold]

Yes

He is done now though

[C-Gold]

1st Ballot HOF YES
He's also one of the most overrated players of all-time in any sport.

Ask yourself this. If he was Derek Jeter of the Kansas City Royals
1. He wouldn't get 1/8th the attention or hype or endorsements
2. He wouldn't be in the playoffs making a few "clutch" hits
3. When he started batting .270, they wouldn't give him a contract worth 5 times more than he's worth, and he'd go from Derek Jeter the Royals SS to Derek Jeter the Brewers SS, Derek Jeter the Astros SS, Derek Jeter the Diamond backs SS.
4. He would have been moved to LF about 3 years ago because the guy has no range at all at SS

If Derek Jeter came up with the Royals he probably wouldn't be a HOF-er even with the exact same career.

[Fishhead]

1ST BALLOT???


Hell, a better question is will he be a HOF'er ever?

[Living The Dream]

Dumb question. Of course.

[gryfyn1]

what the **** does 'first ballot' mean??

Are you saying there is something a player can do between the first and second time they are on a ballot that suddenly qualifies them for the HoF??

People that attach some sentiment to the first ballot are fools.

[Alfie B]

Agreed that Jeter is on the decline. And putting aside his career numbers and Yankee haters. The Yanks have won 5 World Series since '96 with Jeter as a team leader. Boston has 2 and Florida 2 in that same period. No one else has more than 1.
Jeter HOF, yes.

[Doc JS]

And if a frog had wings he wouldn't whomp himself in the ass when he jumped either...

Does "circumstance" play a part? Sure it does. But he came up with the Yankees, he's got all those WS rings, 3000 hits (soon), Gold Glove, Silver Slugger...

Slam dunk 1st ballot Hall of Fame...

Doc

[str]

And if a frog had wings he wouldn't whomp himself in the ass when he jumped either...

Does "circumstance" play a part? Sure it does. But he came up with the Yankees, he's got all those WS rings, 3000 hits (soon), Gold Glove, Silver Slugger...

Slam dunk 1st ballot Hall of Fame...

Doc

100% agreed.

[the-phenomenal-1]

no question

hes no question a first ballet hall of famer

[doublej95]

With out a doubt yes.

[P25]

1st Ballot HOF YES
He's also one of the most overrated players of all-time in any sport.

Ask yourself this. If he was Derek Jeter of the Kansas City Royals
1. He wouldn't get 1/8th the attention or hype or endorsements
2. He wouldn't be in the playoffs making a few "clutch" hits
3. When he started batting .270, they wouldn't give him a contract worth 5 times more than he's worth, and he'd go from Derek Jeter the Royals SS to Derek Jeter the Brewers SS, Derek Jeter the Astros SS, Derek Jeter the Diamond backs SS.
4. He would have been moved to LF about 3 years ago because the guy has no range at all at SS

If Derek Jeter came up with the Royals he probably wouldn't be a HOF-er even with the exact same career.

100% agree

[Buried_PIRATE]

lmao at people that think he wont make the hall of fame or doesnt deserve it

i dont like jeter, i also think he is overrated in regard to media attention... but his career speaks for itself.

it's okay boys, i'm jealous of this fuk too...

but if you guys know anything about the history of the game, it is clear. also when you look at the hall, its usually not a good idea to compare players but check out robin yount... jeter > in every category or ratio... and yount was on the BREWERZ

case closed dear friends, case fukin closed

[MartinBlank]

Are some of you people drunk?

I LOATHE the Yankees---but c'mon.

Jeter is a career .313 hitter.

He will finish with more than 3000 hits.

He has over 1700 runs scored, and more than 1000 RBIs

He is an 11 time All-Star.

He is a 5-time Gold Glove Winner.

He is a 5-time World Series Champ.

He is a 4-time Silver Slugger Winner.

He is a World Series MVP.

Only Honus Wagner, and Ernie Banks have overall better offensive numbers than Jeter does at SS.

[C-Gold]

Look at Miguel Tejada's 10 year stat sheet starting from 2000

.275, 30 HR, 115 RBI
.267, 31 HR, 113 RBI
.308, 34 HR, 131 RBI
.278, 27 HR, 106 RBI
.311, 34 HR, 150 RBI
.304, 26 HR, 98 RBI
.330, 24 HR, 100 RBI
.296, 18 HR, 81 RBI
.283, 13 HR, 66 RBI
.313, 14 HR, 86 RBI

That's batting in a weak lineup in Oakland and being the man in Baltimore, and that's not having A-Rod behind you in the lineup protecting you. Miguel Tejada also helped the Giants win a Championship last year. Now now many endorsements did he have? How much media attention did he get in the last 10 years? Who is talking about Miguel Tejada to the hall of fame first ballot or not? Even when Tejada fell of and was hitting .296 18 HR he was very Jeter-like, but when he was in his prime he was hitting .311, 36 HR and 150 RBI.

Jeter had every advantage in the world and is probably the most overrated player of all time in any sport. He's hyped out of the stratosphere and that doesn't even take into consideration he's probably one of the 5 worst defensive shortstops in MLB. He'll make the plays that come right to him but nothing more as he has the range of a grandma.

[C-Gold]

Are some of you people drunk?

I LOATHE the Yankees---but c'mon.

Jeter is a career .313 hitter.

He will finish with more than 3000 hits.

He has over 1700 runs scored, and more than 1000 RBIs

He is an 11 time All-Star.

He is a 5-time Gold Glove Winner.

He is a 5-time World Series Champ.

He is a 4-time Silver Slugger Winner.

He is a World Series MVP.

Only Honus Wagner, and Ernie Banks have overall better offensive numbers than Jeter does at SS.

.313 average is his only leg to stand on, also note he's had the best offensive lineups behind him in the league year in and year out.

11 time all star do you think playing in New York and receving the hype helped in that popuarity contest?

5 time gold glover is a joke. It's because he doesn't make that many errors but he also doesn't make any plays on anything not hit to him. It's fools gold. Omar Vizquel could make a ton of errors because he's diving and reaching for balls the flat footed Jeter could only dream of getting to. It's like saying a WR that caught 100 passes but dropped 50 of them has better hands than a WR that caught 80 balls and dropped 5 of them simply because he caught more passes. Jeter's gold gloves are bad and misleading statistics.

5 time world series champ. And the 200 million dollar pay rolls had nothing to do with that? Robert Horry won a lot of NBA championships, that doesn't mean he's better than Charles Barkley who won none. Trent Dilfer won a SB, that doesn't mean he's better than Dan Marino.

World Series MVP, so you are going to judge a guy's career on 7 games?

Jeter has never been the best at his position... ever. In all 17 seasons there has always been somebody better than them. Jeter should get some sort of Longevity award. He'll make the HOF for all of the reasons stated but he's highly highly overrated.

[Doc JS]

haters gonna hate...

[Holdin Aces]

Yes and it's not even close.

[MartinBlank]

.313 average is his only leg to stand on, also note he's had the best offensive lineups behind him in the league year in and year out.

11 time all star do you think playing in New York and receving the hype helped in that popuarity contest?

5 time gold glover is a joke. It's because he doesn't make that many errors but he also doesn't make any plays on anything not hit to him. It's fools gold. Omar Vizquel could make a ton of errors because he's diving and reaching for balls the flat footed Jeter could only dream of getting to. It's like saying a WR that caught 100 passes but dropped 50 of them has better hands than a WR that caught 80 balls and dropped 5 of them simply because he caught more passes. Jeter's gold gloves are bad and misleading statistics.

5 time world series champ. And the 200 million dollar pay rolls had nothing to do with that? Robert Horry won a lot of NBA championships, that doesn't mean he's better than Charles Barkley who won none. Trent Dilfer won a SB, that doesn't mean he's better than Dan Marino.

World Series MVP, so you are going to judge a guy's career on 7 games?

Jeter has never been the best at his position... ever. In all 17 seasons there has always been somebody better than them. Jeter should get some sort of Longevity award. He'll make the HOF for all of the reasons stated but he's highly highly overrated.

Your argument is silly.

Simply because he was on a great team his numbers are therefore inflated?

Robin Yount was a first ballot HOF.

Jeter's career average is 28 points higher, he has more runs scored, just about the same number of HRs, and more SBs than Yount.

If we are going to use your logic that Jeter was a product of being on a great team, then the Big Red Machine of the 1970's with Morgan, Perez, Bench being in the Hall of Fame got lucky as well.

[BOBBYW]

YES.....

[gryfyn1]

Look at Miguel Tejada's 10 year stat sheet starting from 2000

Please, over that span guess what, Jeter was the more vaulabe player.

00-09:

Tejada: 297/341/481 116 OPS+, 41.8 WAR
Jeter: 317/387/456 121 OPS+ 44.1 WAR

even if you take the layer top 5 year span

Tejada (02-06): 306/356/506 125 OPS+ 21.5 WAR
Jeter (98-02): 324/398/483 128 OPS+ 27.5 WAR

You also fail to point out the Tejada was also a bad fielder, maybe not quite as bad as jeter but pretty bad, and not better enough to make up for the fact that jeter was actually a better hitter.

[Bob Loblaw]

Can't believe a few people said no.

There's no question he is and he will be a first ballot hall of famer.

[C-Gold]

Please, over that span guess what, Jeter was the more vaulabe player.

00-09:

Tejada: 297/341/481 116 OPS+, 41.8 WAR
Jeter: 317/387/456 121 OPS+ 44.1 WAR

even if you take the layer top 5 year span

Tejada (02-06): 306/356/506 125 OPS+ 21.5 WAR
Jeter (98-02): 324/398/483 128 OPS+ 27.5 WAR

You also fail to point out the Tejada was also a bad fielder, maybe not quite as bad as jeter but pretty bad, and not better enough to make up for the fact that jeter was actually a better hitter.

Who did Jeter have hitting in front of him/behind him/ and around him
Who did Tejada have hitting in front of him/behind him and around him

Can you even name the players from Oakland in 2003 or Baltimore in 2006? Jeter had more total at bats and his stats still weren't up to par with Jeter AND Tejada was a better fielder.

The point is even if they were tied ( I still say Tejada was a better player of that time), who is saying Tejada is a hall of famer? How many endorsements did he get? He won a WS last year and Jeter was non-existent last year. Jeter knocking in 150 runs? Jeter couldn't even hit 25 HRs, Jeter was never the best SS in the game but Tejada was.

Tejada was also hitting in the pitcher friendly park in Oakland, while Jeter was hitting in the hitter friendly Yankee stadium ( Camden is about the same as YS). Jeter had every advantage in the world over him and still couldn't top him. Everybody talks about Jeter and nobody talks about Tejada. Do you see the point?

[WvGambler]

Who did Jeter have hitting in front of him/behind him/ and around him Who did Tejada have hitting in front of him/behind him and around him Can you even name the players from Oakland in 2003 or Baltimore in 2006? Jeter had more total at bats and his stats still weren't up to par with Jeter AND Tejada was a better fielder. The point is even if they were tied ( I still say Tejada was a better player of that time), who is saying Tejada is a hall of famer? How many endorsements did he get? He won a WS last year and Jeter was non-existent last year. Jeter knocking in 150 runs? Jeter couldn't even hit 25 HRs, Jeter was never the best SS in the game but Tejada was. Tejada was also hitting in the pitcher friendly park in Oakland, while Jeter was hitting in the hitter friendly Yankee stadium ( Camden is about the same as YS). Jeter had every advantage in the world over him and still couldn't top him. Everybody talks about Jeter and nobody talks about Tejada. Do you see the point?

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