Are freeplays worth it

[Flexin]

totally missing the point James if the dog loses you've turned your free play into free cash

Your playing both sides so your just throwing money away.

James

[Hareeba!]

Your playing both sides so your just throwing money away.

James

okay James, try and get your head around this:

you have a @100 freeplay with a rollover requirement

this is how I like to play them - back a golfer to win a tournament at say 10.00 (+900) x $100

go to Betfair and lay the same guy at 9.6 to win $100 (or thereabout after comm.)

he loses and you have $100 extra cash Betfair
you have no freeplay and no rollover committment

so bottom line is you've turned a $100 freeplay with a rollover commitment into $100 free cash

is that "throwing it away"?

okay, now and then you get unlucky and the dog wins - but overall I reckon I've turned my freeplays into at least $85 for every $100

[Flexin]

okay James, try and get your head around this: you have a @100 freeplay with a rollover requirement this is how I like to play them - back a golfer to win a tournament at say 10.00 (+900) x $100 go to Betfair and lay the same guy at 9.6 to win $100 (or thereabout after comm.) he loses and you have $100 extra cash Betfair you have no freeplay and no rollover committment so bottom line is you've turned a $100 freeplay with a rollover commitment into $100 free cash is that "throwing it away"? okay, now and then you get unlucky and the dog wins - but overall I reckon I've turned my freeplays into at least $85 for every $100

Wrap your head around this one.

You find a pick you really like. You play that play the way you normally would, lets say $25 on the play. You also take that play for $25 with your free play. Now you won double. Or you can get aggressive with it and maybe bet $50. Rinse and repeat with your best plays. Depended on how often, and how big or small you go with your plays you make, you will have it rolled over in a week to a couple of months.

So yes its is throwing it way in my eyes. If your any good you can roll it over without a problem. Even if your doing ok you should be around even after the rollover.

The only reason I see for doing that is if you really need the money right now. In that case its a good plan. Other then that play it like it was a bonus on your paycheck and turn it in to some real money.

James

[DirkDiggs]

Could someone please explain to me how to use the 3 team parlay method to guarantee .85 cents on the dollar?

Thank You.

[Hareeba!]

Wrap your head around this one.

You find a pick you really like. You play that play the way you normally would, lets say $25 on the play. You also take that play for $25 with your free play. Now you won double. Or you can get aggressive with it and maybe bet $50. Rinse and repeat with your best plays. Depended on how often, and how big or small you go with your plays you make, you will have it rolled over in a week to a couple of months.

So yes its is throwing it way in my eyes. If your any good you can roll it over without a problem. Even if your doing ok you should be around even after the rollover.

The only reason I see for doing that is if you really need the money right now. In that case its a good plan. Other then that play it like it was a bonus on your paycheck and turn it in to some real money.

James

My strategy converts the free play to CASH if the dog fails to win. No strings attached after that.

Why waste a free play on a bet I really like?

I would make it anyway with my own money and most probably at better odds.

And playing out rollovers generally means you have to do it at much greater vig. than I can get on the exchanges or Pinnacle so it's a real bonus to be rid of the obligation.

[Hareeba!]

Could someone please explain to me how to use the 3 team parlay method to guarantee .85 cents on the dollar?

Thank You.

been explained several times
try doing a search

[Flexin]

My strategy converts the free play to CASH if the dog fails to win. No strings attached after that. Why waste a free play on a bet I really like? I would make it anyway with my own money and most probably at better odds. And playing out rollovers generally means you have to do it at much greater vig. than I can get on the exchanges or Pinnacle so it's a real bonus to be rid of the obligation.

The waste is just tossing it. Its free money and do you normally take money off after one bet? Your protected a cash bet that you feel really good about. That seems like a waste to me.

If your playing already then you already did all the work making your picks. It only takes a couple of minutes to go on a site and make that same pick. The rollover isn't a problem if you winning.

If you cover the other side of a bet you already feel like your going to win anyway then you just tossed. If its SBR points you would have been better off with another prize.

I rolled over one free play already. It was only the $12 free play for about 3 points offer they had. I had about $12-20 after the roll over. That isn't an amount I would withdraw so I kept playing. A $250 on I might have taken and put on my other account or what ever. It wasn't that hard to rollover and I was playing it safe.

Using your way I would have lost that money all together. My way I rolled it over playing the same plays I played on my other account for the most part.

To each his own but if your playing well I feel its best to play it.

James

[Hareeba!]

The waste is just tossing it. Its free money and do you normally take money off after one bet? Your protected a cash bet that you feel really good about. That seems like a waste to me.

If your playing already then you already did all the work making your picks. It only takes a couple of minutes to go on a site and make that same pick. The rollover isn't a problem if you winning.

If you cover the other side of a bet you already feel like your going to win anyway then you just tossed. If its SBR points you would have been better off with another prize.

I rolled over one free play already. It was only the $12 free play for about 3 points offer they had. I had about $12-20 after the roll over. That isn't an amount I would withdraw so I kept playing. A $250 on I might have taken and put on my other account or what ever. It wasn't that hard to rollover and I was playing it safe.

Using your way I would have lost that money all together. My way I rolled it over playing the same plays I played on my other account for the most part.

To each his own but if your playing well I feel its best to play it.

James

well I've tried but some people just don't wish to learn

[Flexin]

well I've tried but some people just don't wish to learn

Learn what? If your happy with your way then enjoy it. But you are just throwing it away.

If I ever have a bit free play and need some quick money I will look to doing that. Other then that its not the system for me.

James

[Hareeba!]

Learn what? If your happy with your way then enjoy it. But you are just throwing it away.

If I ever have a bit free play and need some quick money I will look to doing that. Other then that its not the system for me.

James

turning a freeplay into 100% free cash at least 85% of the time is "throwing it away"

[Flexin]

turning a freeplay into 100% free cash at least 85% of the time is "throwing it away"

Yeah ok. You look at it your way but I feel you are leaving money on the table.

James

[Hareeba!]

Yeah ok. You look at it your way but I feel you are leaving money on the table.

James

So if I offered you $85 free cash in exchange for your $100 freeplay you'd reject the offer?

[Flexin]

So if I offered you $85 free cash in exchange for your $100 freeplay you'd reject the offer?

If I needed the money for something other then gambling then I might do it. But if not why give up 15%? If it doesn't make dollars it doesn't make cents.

Lets use the start of football season for an example. I'm not taking my money off in a week or two unless I somehow make thousands then I might take some off the top. So the money is going to sit there and be ready to play. So if I'm going to leave the money there an play it then the rollover doesn't matter. Over a season I will make the rollover or if not I will be glad it wasn't my paycheck that I lost. And if this is all true then why give up 15%? I can't see a reason.

James

[Hareeba!]

If I needed the money for something other then gambling then I might do it. But if not why give up 15%? If it doesn't make dollars it doesn't make cents.

Lets use the start of football season for an example. I'm not taking my money off in a week or two unless I somehow make thousands then I might take some off the top. So the money is going to sit there and be ready to play. So if I'm going to leave the money there an play it then the rollover doesn't matter. Over a season I will make the rollover or if not I will be glad it wasn't my paycheck that I lost. And if this is all true then why give up 15%? I can't see a reason.

James

because nobody is that good that they will make $85 guaranteed out of every $100 they bet

One last attempt:

You refuse my offer and play your $100 at +100 and it wins.
Congratulations your freeplay has put $100 cash in your account and now all you have to do is meet the rollover and it's yours to take out.

A smarter guy accepts my offer and takes the $85 cash.
He likes the same bet you did and puts his $85 on it too.
But when it wins he finds that his balance has grown by $170.

Guess who just left $70 on the table.

[GoIrish682]

i can see the point of alot of responses here..the 3 team 8 parlay method is good, and i'm intrigued by the
dog / fav concept

[vill]

Why do people think its a good idea to just toss money away? If you won the points to get the free play then you are good enough to pick some plays or able to follow someone that is good at it. So why no do it again?

Your way its gone unless your dog wins. And some only allow a +200 or less dog. Not worth throwing it away on.

Take it and play it like you would your with your regular money. Its like having a safe with money in it, you just need the code to get it. Pick games well and its yours.

James

I try to choose pick carefully, so the dog wins very rarelly.

[juuso]

Personally I'm very happy to get freeplays whenever I can.

[Flexin]

I try to choose pick carefully, so the dog wins very rarelly.

Thats the thing. If your picking that carefully do you really need to bet the other side?

James

[Legions36]

Of course they are worth it there free.

[Hareeba!]

Of course they are worth it there free.

they are rarely free
free is when you can take your cash out
they generally come with a condition - x times rollover (generally at poor odds so you give a good deal of value back before it can be considered "free")

[southpaw74]

So the 3team parlay is best if you don't want to use 2 books and lay big juice with real cash like hareeba suggests.

[Sfritts8]

Do not use the three team parlay method, I repeat, do not use this method, you will get a higher return on investment for that specific free play but you are putting flashing lights on yourself saying I know what I am doing and the book that you try this method at will not react favorably, at 5Dimes, if you did this, they would take away your limits on their reduced juice. Just put the free play on the biggest moneyline dog the book allows you to and lay it off at Match or another exchange if you are not American.

Hareeba- At some point you have to just stop wasting your time, people like James balance out the betting environment, some peoples inability to grasp basic mathematical principles is what allows sportsbooks to make lots of money and throw nice bonuses our way.

[Flexin]

Do not use the three team parlay method, I repeat, do not use this method, you will get a higher return on investment for that specific free play but you are putting flashing lights on yourself saying I know what I am doing and the book that you try this method at will not react favorably, at 5Dimes, if you did this, they would take away your limits on their reduced juice. Just put the free play on the biggest moneyline dog the book allows you to and lay it off at Match or another exchange if you are not American. Hareeba- At some point you have to just stop wasting your time, people like James balance out the betting environment, some peoples inability to grasp basic mathematical principles is what allows sportsbooks to make lots of money and throw nice bonuses our way.

You have to be joking right? This is the last time I say this. You guys are talking about putting that free play on something you expect to lose. Your not taking any money from that book. You want basic math?

$100 cash at book 1.

$100 free play at book 2.

You play book 1 on the Bulls because you think they will win. You play book 2 on the Cavs because you feel they have almost no chance of winning. You were right and (lets say you were getting even money on both sides) and win $100. So you now have $200 at book 1 and $0 at book 2. So you have a total of $200.

But if you feel so sure the the Bulls will win you could go with $100 cash on the Bulls and $100 free play on the Bulls. If your right you now have $200 at book 1 and $100 at book 2. This gives you a total of $300.

If that free play was from BetPhoenix you would have to make $800 worth of bets to complete the roll over. Thats not that big of a deal.

So what you guys are doing is just tossing it away. It does protect your original just in case you are wrong. That is a plus but other then that its just wasted.

James

[Hareeba!]

Hareeba- At some point you have to just stop wasting your time, people like James balance out the betting environment, some peoples inability to grasp basic mathematical principles is what allows sportsbooks to make lots of money and throw nice bonuses our way.

You're right Sfritts, clearly James isn't going to get it and I won't waste any more time on it.

Hopefully however there are some others who may have cottoned onto the most effective ways to use freeplays and my efforts haven't been for nothing.

[ArunSh]

When I bought the BetPhoenix FP, I didn't seem to be able to use it on a parlay - have their rules on this changed? Or for the FPs bought through SBR, maybe they aren't allowed?

Also, I was able to use them on big $ line dogs (+400 etc.) without trouble. Doesn't seem like the +200 rule is in effect there is it?

[Flexin]

When I bought the BetPhoenix FP, I didn't seem to be able to use it on a parlay - have their rules on this changed? Or for the FPs bought through SBR, maybe they aren't allowed? Also, I was able to use them on big $ line dogs (+400 etc.) without trouble. Doesn't seem like the +200 rule is in effect there is it?

I'm pretty sure you can play up to three games in a parlay.

It let you pick a larger dog but does it count towards the rollover?

James

[ArunSh]

Well I know it says in the terms here that it doesn't count towards the rollover, and that's fine. But I was able to bet my $250 FP on a +400 dog and won. It still gave me the $1000 win is the key.

Again, I don't mind at all if that bet doesn't count towards the rollover, just am I allowed to bet it on that big dog and still get the full payout if it wins (history suggests so).

[Flexin]

Well I know it says in the terms here that it doesn't count towards the rollover, and that's fine. But I was able to bet my $250 FP on a +400 dog and won. It still gave me the $1000 win is the key. Again, I don't mind at all if that bet doesn't count towards the rollover, just am I allowed to bet it on that big dog and still get the full payout if it wins (history suggests so).

I always wondered that. Playing it with the free play itself would give a huge rollover.

I have not read anything that says you can not play them. All it says is its not counted towards the rollover. So it would seem to me you could play them. I haven't asked myself and haven't tested that out.

James

[ArunSh]

Well on the BetPhoenix site itself, says free play bonuses can only be used on moneylines up to +200, http://www.betphoenix.com/bonuses-pr...-general-terms Course this is not a "bonus" so maybe that doesn't apply to something like this which is purchased really.

Of course it says "reserves right to refuse" so maybe they pick and choose which of those to accept - perhaps my bet could have been rejected when I tried to make it? I assume once accepted though, they have to pay out full if it wins at least?

[notsosharp]

cash always the way to go.

[Hareeba!]

cash always the way to go.

congrats .. you've chosen the correct nick

[CyberSleuth]

Very interesting strategies.

[Legions36]

cash always the way to go.

Yeah but OP was asking about freeplays.

[Hareeba!]

Yeah but OP was asking about freeplays.

well in that context maybe notsosharp is sharper than I gave him credit for - converting your freeplays to cash at another book is the way to go

[loyd]

cash always the way to go.

True but Betjam doesn't have cash bonus here, they only give freeplays.