LSU Tigers: Overrated Or Well-Coached?

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  • Golokhov
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    • 09-15-10
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    #1
    LSU Tigers: Overrated Or Well-Coached?
    Would you say the LSU Tigers are overrated or well-coached?

    Taking the Tigers out of the equation for a second, I was having a debate today with someone as to whether overrated/well-coached are correlated and therefore, it's merely a matter of perception.

    For example, I think the LSU Tigers were, are and will be the most overrated team in the nation. Who the hell are they kidding with Jordan Jefferson and Jarrett Lee as their quarterbacks? This is a team that used to have elite talent in the backfield, offensive line, wide receiver, quarterback, defensive line, linebackers and secondary.

    Where is their elite talent now?

    Off the top of my head, here are some big-time LSU first-round picks in the NFL: JaMarcus Russell, Joseph Addai, Michael Clayton (maybe going back a bit too far), Craig Davis, Glenn Dorsey, Tyson Jackson, LaRon Landry and the list goes on.

    Who do they have now? Patrick Peterson is outstanding, Drake Nevis will have a shot at the first round and nothing else.

    So does Les Miles deserve credit for coaching up a team that now has less talent or are they overrated because they've used smoke and mirrors to get this far?

    You look at their wins:
    -Hung on against a suspension-ravaged UNC team
    -Crushed Vandy
    -Handled Miss State
    -Hung on against West Virginia at home
    -Should have lost at home to Tennessee
    -Should have lost in the Swamp to Florida
    -Struggled against McNeese State
    -Played with Auburn, but were never really in control

    As you can tell, a lot of the way that I present those games, I'm implying that this team is more overrated than Megan Fox's acting. But can you really make the case that they are not overrated, and that Miles actually deserves credit for coaching them up?

    What do you say about teams like LSU? Or the Tampa Bay Buccaneers? Or the Kansas City Chiefs?

    It may seem like a general topic, but we all know that public perception affects gambling and affects the betting line.

    Deep thoughts by me...share an opinion if you got one.
  • guitarjosh
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 12-25-07
    • 5797

    #2
    Overrated, but most SEC teams are overrated year in and year out.
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    • BadNina
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      • 11-27-07
      • 10491

      #3
      they were predicted to be a mid SEC west pack team which should be where they end up.
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      • Cap dat 4ss
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        • 10-11-10
        • 3665

        #4
        Between these two options I'd say overrated. Only because Les Miles is a HORRIFIC head football coach.
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        • Deuce
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          • 01-12-08
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          #5
          Both
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          • raydog
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 11-07-07
            • 6984

            #6
            les miles, a good coach??? holy shit now ive heard it all out of this place... take your calculator out because you need it to add up all the stupid idiotic coaching mistakes this tubesock has made and luckboxed the fukk out of some wins....hands down the worst coach of any big school in the country and a bottom of the barrel guy in the sec. he does get great athletes though...lsu has deep pockets when it comes to the football program
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            • LINE-crush-ER
              SBR MVP
              • 01-04-08
              • 1445

              #7
              He needs a flava flav Clock around his neck to time manage the game .

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              • WorkHorse
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                • 08-22-10
                • 2185

                #8
                LSU has good players because the Tigers recruit well. The DC is PROVEN in SEC wars. The OC is not PROVEN and will be fired at the end of this season. Miles will blame the OC for not winning the way the crazies want down in Baton Rouge and all is forgiven until next year.

                Les Miles time at LSU is almost up. Bank on it!!
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                • Albert Pujols
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                  • 06-01-10
                  • 1670

                  #9
                  LSU well coached? Hahahahaha thanks for the laughs.
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                  • alka07
                    SBR Sharp
                    • 10-04-09
                    • 441

                    #10
                    lsu is overated agree on that
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                    • CBASS
                      SBR MVP
                      • 01-22-10
                      • 2613

                      #11
                      Gotta love the haters on this thread! LSU is a good team who lacks a quarterback. Les Miles makes his share of mistakes, but you can't win a National Championship if you suck as a coach (I don't care how much talent you have). They have already won over 75% of their games with Les Miles as the coach. That is no easy task when you are playing in the SEC. LSU finally loses a game and all the haters flock to the scene. What a joke! When LSU beats Alabama, don't forget to come back to this thread and post all your bs reasons as to why the Tide lost. Let me guess- It won't be because the Tigers don't have a qb, coach, or talent. I would like for the haters to explain how when it happens. Out....
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                      • CBASS
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                        • 01-22-10
                        • 2613

                        #12
                        Originally posted by WorkHorse
                        LSU has good players because the Tigers recruit well. The DC is PROVEN in SEC wars. The OC is not PROVEN and will be fired at the end of this season. Miles will blame the OC for not winning the way the crazies want down in Baton Rouge and all is forgiven until next year.

                        Les Miles time at LSU is almost up. Bank on it!!

                        Wrong. The OC is one of the best offensive minds in the country. He already has a National Championship and his team finished 3rd in the nation in offense that season. He was brilliant at La Tech, BYU, and Oregon. In his first 3 years at LSU he had them ranked in the top 10 offensively each year. The lack of production is coming from Les Miles giving him a limited list of plays to choose from. In other words, Les is the one essentially calling the shots. Miles is not allowing Crowton to use his creativity and the offense suffers because of it. One example of this is when LSU runs the option. Gary Crowton has never used the option in any offense that he has run. EVER. To make matters worse, Crowton would rather have Jarrett Lee on the field for the entire game, but Miles is defiantly retarted and continues to start Jefferson. Basically what I am saying is that it is Miles fault that the offense's numbers have dropped and not Crowton's.

                        Extra: Steven Rivers (Phillip Rivers' brother) is committed to LSU. He is one of the top recruits in the nation and a stud of a qb. Gary Crowton will have that offense at the top again as soon as Rivers steps on the field.


                        I am sure that ZBOIZ will confirm this as well.
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                        • CBASS
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                          • 01-22-10
                          • 2613

                          #13
                          Originally posted by LINE-crush-ER
                          He needs a flava flav Clock around his neck to time manage the game .

                          http://thequotablelesmiles.com/


                          LMAO. I laughed so hard at this.
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                          • Golokhov
                            SBR Hustler
                            • 09-15-10
                            • 82

                            #14
                            If they beat Alabama, I think you'd have to say Miles is a good coach. Recruiting wise, the talent drop-off has been significant since he took over, though.
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                            • gryfyn1
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                              • 03-30-10
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Golokhov
                              I'm implying that this team is more overrated than Megan Fox's acting.

                              who the hell thinks she can act ??
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                              • Landscaper
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                                • 10-12-10
                                • 2712

                                #16
                                Def not well coach..miles is a bad coach..the guy has a horse shoe up his ass or else he would be long gone..never seen a luckier man, hope he gambles
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                                • ZBOIZ
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 06-22-08
                                  • 21464

                                  #17
                                  This thread is hilarious!!

                                  Half of you people only seen 1 full game of LSU and you have a million and 2 comments.


                                  LSU has 1 GLARING problem and that's QB play. If LSU had a decent QB they would be a undefeated team right now. We lost to a damn good Auburn team by 7 points with two mediocre QB's. LSU only problem is at the QB position.

                                  CASE CLOSE!
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                                  • ZBOIZ
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 06-22-08
                                    • 21464

                                    #18
                                    The QB play at LSU should be over next year! With this big time STUD Junior College player Zack McClenberg at the helm. He will be at the Ole Miss game and he's expecting to commit that weekend.

                                    Scouts says he has a strong arm like Jamarcus Russel.
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                                    • jjgold
                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                      • 07-20-05
                                      • 388179

                                      #19
                                      Poorly coached is their main issue
                                      Decent talent all the time
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                                      • Albert Pujols
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                                        • 06-01-10
                                        • 1670

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by CBASS
                                        Gotta love the haters on this thread! LSU is a good team who lacks a quarterback. Les Miles makes his share of mistakes, but you can't win a National Championship if you suck as a coach (I don't care how much talent you have). They have already won over 75% of their games with Les Miles as the coach. That is no easy task when you are playing in the SEC. LSU finally loses a game and all the haters flock to the scene. What a joke! When LSU beats Alabama, don't forget to come back to this thread and post all your bs reasons as to why the Tide lost. Let me guess- It won't be because the Tigers don't have a qb, coach, or talent. I would like for the haters to explain how when it happens. Out....
                                        Look, LSU will always have a good defense and always have talent. But Miles is worse than Ron Zoology at game management. There isn't a more brain dead choker anywhere than Les Miles.
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                                        • Golokhov
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                                          • 09-15-10
                                          • 82

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by gryfyn1
                                          who the hell thinks she can act ??
                                          Fair point - haha.
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                                          • Hotlanta Steam
                                            SBR Wise Guy
                                            • 09-08-10
                                            • 896

                                            #22
                                            Miles is the problem along with not having the QB to run the system that Crowton wants to run... Les makes more brain farts in two games than some coaches make in 4 years...

                                            LSU has talent everywhere... except under center and in between the head set...
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                                            • jwbama23
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                                              • 01-17-10
                                              • 2373

                                              #23
                                              well coached
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                                              • miley
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                                                • 03-24-10
                                                • 151

                                                #24
                                                LSU totally overrated; they will lose again
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                                                • CBASS
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                                                  • 01-22-10
                                                  • 2613

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Golokhov
                                                  If they beat Alabama, I think you'd have to say Miles is a good coach. Recruiting wise, the talent drop-off has been significant since he took over, though.

                                                  LSU has been winning games off of their talent alone. Les never has a good gameplan and that speaks volumes as to how much talent LSU actually has. LSU always has talent and this year is no different. The glaring weak spot is the qb position. LSU is better than average in all other areas. I can list several future NFL draft picks, but it wouldn't do much good on this thread.

                                                  Les has landed a highly ranked recruiting class every year since his arrival so I am not sure what you mean.
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                                                  • CBASS
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                                                    • 01-22-10
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by jwbama23
                                                    well coached


                                                    I have to laugh myself.
                                                    I wish I could say something about the Tide, but you guys truly have the best coach in the country
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                                                    • ZBOIZ
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 06-22-08
                                                      • 21464

                                                      #27
                                                      Half of these people that are commenting in this thread dont know shit about LSU football. They know nothing about the talent level, and they know nothing about the future of this program.

                                                      As for the people that want a real analysis of the LSU program.. this is what it is...

                                                      All LSU need to do is to get a QB to be a national champion.. That's it.

                                                      If LSU had at least a decent QB they would of had Auburn beat last Saturday. Bottom line!
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                                                      • jwbama23
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                                                        • 01-17-10
                                                        • 2373

                                                        #28
                                                        Zboiz, If my sister had balls she would be my brother. She doesnt though so she is my sister. Bottom line!
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                                                        • Golokhov
                                                          SBR Hustler
                                                          • 09-15-10
                                                          • 82

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by CBASS
                                                          LSU has been winning games off of their talent alone. Les never has a good gameplan and that speaks volumes as to how much talent LSU actually has. LSU always has talent and this year is no different. The glaring weak spot is the qb position. LSU is better than average in all other areas. I can list several future NFL draft picks, but it wouldn't do much good on this thread.

                                                          Les has landed a highly ranked recruiting class every year since his arrival so I am not sure what you mean.
                                                          I disagree about the level of talent right now. Look at the players I mentioned above that were first-round picks. Of the players on this LSU, who would you say is a sure-fire first-round pick aside from Peterson and maybe Nevis.

                                                          One of the reasons I would even consider giving Miles credit is because he is working with less talent; if I felt he had the squads that Saban had and was pulling out wins against Tennessee (at home) by the skin of his teeth, there wouldn't even be a question about it. He'd be brutal without question.
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                                                          • ZBOIZ
                                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                                            • 06-22-08
                                                            • 21464

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by jwbama23
                                                            Zboiz, If my sister had balls she would be my brother. She doesnt though so she is my sister. Bottom line!

                                                            Ummmmmm...ok..... The topic is... LSU Tigers: Overrated or Well-coached

                                                            My point is there not overrated there one qb away from being a undefeated team at this point
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                                                            • jwbama23
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                                                              • 01-17-10
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                                                              #31
                                                              and you made the comment that if they had a QB they would be whatever. My point is they dont so they are not!
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                                                              • Superman455
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                                                                • 09-23-08
                                                                • 366

                                                                #32
                                                                Thanks for the write-up. Enjoyed reading it
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                                                                • Uncle Harv
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                                                                  • 09-30-09
                                                                  • 238

                                                                  #33
                                                                  I like your write up, interesting points. Logically, if a team is overrated, then they much be overachieving. If they are overachieving, their coach MUST be getting the most out of the talent hes working with. Like the if A = B, and B = C, then A must equal C. So whether someone thinks Les Miles is a good coach or not, this year, the answer is both overrated AND well coached. Nice post.
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                                                                  • CBASS
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                                                                    • 01-22-10
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Golokhov
                                                                    I disagree about the level of talent right now. Look at the players I mentioned above that were first-round picks. Of the players on this LSU, who would you say is a sure-fire first-round pick aside from Peterson and maybe Nevis.

                                                                    One of the reasons I would even consider giving Miles credit is because he is working with less talent; if I felt he had the squads that Saban had and was pulling out wins against Tennessee (at home) by the skin of his teeth, there wouldn't even be a question about it. He'd be brutal without question.

                                                                    You just named 2 first round picks! That is freaking amazing for a team without any talent!
                                                                    But seriously, I have several names that will get drafted, but maybe not this year's draft though due to them being sophomores and juniors.

                                                                    To name a few:
                                                                    Terrence Toliver (WR)
                                                                    Reuben Randall (WR)
                                                                    Russell Shepard (WR)
                                                                    Joseph Barksdale (LT)
                                                                    Lazarius Levingston (DT)
                                                                    Drake Nevis (DT)
                                                                    Kelvin Sheppard (LB)
                                                                    Patrick Peterson (CB)
                                                                    Josh Jasper (K)
                                                                    Michael Ford (RB) -he is a true freshman that is going to be a stud when Ridley leaves.

                                                                    I guarantee you that every name on this list will get drafted and make an NFL roster
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