God did not create the universe, says Hawking

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  • Jimmy0607
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    #36
    He sright
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    • wtf
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      #37
      Originally posted by Z_Wipf
      When I come in here and see people calling Hawking an idiot I lose all respect for society. You guys are ******* morons if you think you know more than this guy.
      so you think humans will be extinct in 200 years if we all dont move to mars or some other galaxy?

      nobody on here said they know more than him, but these guys dont even come close to having all the answers
      if they did i assume he would not be in a wheelchair anymore
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      • JohnGalt2341
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        #38
        Originally posted by JDizzel
        But just by proclaiming you believe in Jesus,Ala or Thor doesn't mean that you follow the specific doctrines of an specific religion. Of Course: Mother Teresa of Calcutta Martin Luther King, Jr My Grandparents Galileo Galilei Monsignor Georges LemaƮtre - First scientist to propose the theory of the origin of the Universe or the big Bang. G.W Bush (kidding) Don't get me wrong i am an atheist my self and i am very aware of the number of Christians and atheist in the prison population but saying the someone is more prompted to crime for their religious beliefs is ridiculous when morality and law is not based on religion but by consensus.
        It seems to me that the REAL followers actually DO follow the specific doctrines of the specific Religions, which is why they are in prison. The Old Testament is incredibly disturbing and the New Testament isn't much better. The Q'aran is even worse.
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        • Albert Pujols
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          #39
          Originally posted by Z_Wipf
          When I come in here and see people calling Hawking an idiot I lose all respect for society. You guys are ******* morons if you think you know more than this guy.
          I'd rather be wise than brilliant.
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          • JDizzel
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            • 11-20-07
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            #40
            Originally posted by JohnGalt2341
            It seems to me that the REAL followers actually DO follow the specific doctrines of the specific Religions, which is why they are in prison. The Old Testament is incredibly disturbing and the New Testament isn't much better. The Q'aran is even worse.

            Agreed on that my friend.
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            • forsberg21
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              #41
              Pat Venditto,

              On August 11th, I lent you 100 points, you agreed to pay me back 125. I haven't received a single payment from you yet. I've sent you numerous PM's with no replies and it's too bad that the only way I can contact you is through doing this. I know that you're not a stiff, which is why I'm surprised why this is happening.

              Please start paying your loan like you agreed.

              Thanks
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              • 8ArIvd5
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                #42
                How can he say God didn't create the universe? Did he personally experiene the creation of the universe (aside from a thought experiment)? I thought universal negatives can't be proven.
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                • Odessa
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                  #43
                  Evolution has been caught in the act, according to scientists who are decoding how a species of Australian lizard is abandoning egg-laying in favor of live birth.

                  Evolution in Action: Lizard Moving From Eggs to Live Birth
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                  • Odessa
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                    #44
                    Originally posted by 8ArIvd5
                    How can he say God didn't create the universe? Did he personally experiene the creation of the universe (aside from a thought experiment)? I thought universal negatives can't be proven.
                    Einstein said that "the word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish."
                    "For me," he added, "the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions."

                    Einstein letter calls Bible ā€˜pretty childish’
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                    • Davydave
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                      #45
                      Originally posted by Odessa
                      Einstein said that "the word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish."
                      "For me," he added, "the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions."

                      Einstein letter calls Bible ā€˜pretty childish’
                      Exactly. We are the only species that knows that we are mortal, Religion was developed to give us hope that there is something after... meant to placate the weak minded.
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                      • statnerds
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                        • 09-23-09
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                        #46
                        Originally posted by Brock Landers
                        "Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist," Hawking writes.

                        hmmmmm.....

                        funny no one, as far as I could tell, pulled his card on the debate over gravity. it still cannot be explained with one definition that remains constant. here are some recent theories i recall: gravity isn't the force of large masses pulling on one another, it is actually a pushing force...the multi-verse allows for gravity to 'leak' between the unseen universes and helps explain any anomalies....

                        also, why did no one ask him how he or any other scientist can make anything resembling a definitive statement regarding the universe when they can only account for 4% of said universe?
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                        • statnerds
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                          #47
                          and another thing, why didn't anyone ask him where all of this fukking water all over the Earth, a planet that scientists say was molten blob for thousands of years, came from and if he supports the latest theory that the earth was bombarded by snow comets and voila, water.

                          do you know how much fukking water is on this planet? like at least a few hundred gallons.

                          these fuks put on white coats and still don't know shit. you are going to listen to 'scientists' that still push the lie of global warming? so they tell us the Earth is like 4 billion years old, survived meteors, comets, pole shifts and all kinds of other massively destructive forces, but a few billion evolutionary mistakes called humans is going to kill the planet? come the fuk on man. they are just like the rest of us, full of shit and have no idea of what is really going.



                          and without God, whom does he blame for being all fukked up? seriously, he just views as it having some of the most rotten luck in the universe?
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                          • 8ArIvd5
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                            #48
                            Originally posted by Odessa
                            Einstein said that "the word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish."
                            "For me," he added, "the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions."

                            Einstein letter calls Bible ā€˜pretty childish’
                            So you're saying he brought God into the picture because he's as disabled as can be?
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                            • milwaukee mike
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                              #49
                              Originally posted by unusialsusp5
                              i don't think anyone believes that some guy stood on a platform and in 6 days created the universe. milwaukee mike the smartest person to ever post here has it correct.
                              this has to be the sharpest post i have ever read
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                              • mikejamm
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                                • 08-24-09
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                                #50
                                Originally posted by TCC
                                If what Hawking says is true, then why didnt the Big Bang stop 9-11?
                                Prime example of why we have stupid ignorant religions in the first place, because of fuk'in idiots like this guy! Sheep have to have something to follow, so they believe in some in some douche bag who spouted euphemisms around a dinner table 2000 years ago, smartest guy there, Judas, at least he made money on the deal! Oh and let's not forget that other ass wipe who "creates" 72 virgins out of thin air for slime ball coward suicide martyrs who couldn't get their dicks up to fuk one virgin let alone 72!
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                                • JohnGalt2341
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                                  • 12-31-09
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                                  #51
                                  Originally posted by unusialsusp5
                                  i don't think anyone believes that some guy stood on a platform and in 6 days created the universe.
                                  Actually, that's pretty much exactly how it happened. This video proves it!
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                                  • milwaukee mike
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                                    #52
                                    those guys in the video look like the prick with a shorter beard and ronpaul2008???
                                    if the prick was really god then he should be better at his picks
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                                    • JohnGalt2341
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                                      #53
                                      Originally posted by mikejamm
                                      Prime example of why we have stupid ignorant religions in the first place, because of fuk'in idiots like this guy! Sheep have to have something to follow, so they believe in some in some douche bag who spouted euphemisms around a dinner table 2000 years ago, smartest guy there, Judas, at least he made money on the deal! Oh and let's not forget that other ass wipe who "creates" 72 virgins out of thin air for slime ball coward suicide martyrs who couldn't get their dicks up to fuk one virgin let alone 72!
                                      I never understood the allure of 72 virgins. Are these girls in the their young teens or just really heinous? I would rather have 72 Ho's over 72 virgins. Who would you rather have cut your hair... someone that has cut hair hundreds of times on several different heads or someone that has never once ever cut anyone's hair? I'll take the experienced hair cutter any day of the week.
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                                      • JohnGalt2341
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                                        #54
                                        Originally posted by milwaukee mike
                                        those guys in the video look like the prick with a shorter beard and ronpaul2008??? if the prick was really god then he should be better at his picks
                                        It is them, in a parallel Universe.
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                                        • mikejamm
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                                          #55
                                          Originally posted by JohnGalt2341
                                          I never understood the allure of 72 virgins. Are these girls in the their young teens or just really heinous? I would rather have 72 Ho's over 72 virgins. Who would you rather have cut your hair... someone that has cut hair hundreds of times on several different heads or someone that has never once ever cut anyone's hair? I'll take the experienced hair cutter any day of the week.
                                          You got that right man! 72 virgins is a lot of training and cherry pop'in! Fuk that, give me the experienced woman over the virgin any day!Of course these guys start fuk'in their servant wives at 13 anyway! 40+ year old muslim bang'in a child! Way to go there allah, you child rap'in prick!
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                                          • milwaukee mike
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                                            #56
                                            john galt, if the experienced hair cutter was using some really dull, nasty, worn out scissors and the inexperienced one was using brand new, shiny really awesome scissors wouldn't that change your analogy a bit?
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                                            • JohnGalt2341
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                                              #57
                                              Originally posted by milwaukee mike
                                              john galt, if the experienced hair cutter was using some really dull, nasty, worn out scissors and the inexperienced one was using brand new, shiny really awesome scissors wouldn't that change your analogy a bit?
                                              That's a tough call. If you give the experienced Hair Cutter some Kindergarten left handed scissors and the Virgin Hair Cutter the best scissors on the planet... I'll still take the experienced Hair Cutter. The Virgin Hair Cutter would likely be nervous no matter how much I try to calm her. I wouldn't want her to cut anything that doesn't need to be cut.
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                                              • statnerds
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                                                #58
                                                4%

                                                no one was staggered by that number?

                                                humans are so fukkin arrogant, afraid to admit how much we don't know.
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                                                • Odessa
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                                                  #59
                                                  Originally posted by statnerds
                                                  4%

                                                  no one was staggered by that number?

                                                  humans are so fukkin arrogant, afraid to admit how much we don't know.
                                                  In "The Grand Design" Stephen Hawking explains that even present day scientific knowledge can explain the philosophical question: "When and how did the the universe begin". It's not Stephen's personal observation or theories. It's pure SCIENCE explained in simple laymen words.

                                                  I don't know where you got 4%, but we know presently enough to exclude god from our vocabulary.
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                                                  • Albert Pujols
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                                                    #60
                                                    Originally posted by Odessa
                                                    In "The Grand Design" Stephen Hawking explains that even present day scientific knowledge can explain the philosophical question: "When and how did the the universe begin". It's not Stephen's personal observation or theories. It's pure SCIENCE explained in simple laymen words.

                                                    I don't know where you got 4%, but we know presently enough to exclude god from our vocabulary.
                                                    Atheism is beyond absurd.
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                                                    • dante1
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                                                      #61
                                                      Originally posted by Z_Wipf
                                                      When I come in here and see people calling Hawking an idiot I lose all respect for society. You guys are ******* morons if you think you know more than this guy.


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                                                      • Odessa
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                                                        #62
                                                        Originally posted by Albert Pujols
                                                        Atheism is beyond absurd.
                                                        Since the begging of humanity, homo sapiens always wanted to know why we are here on earth. The great philosophers of antiquity came with the plausible answer to satisfy of the laymen. Today, SCIENCE give the final answer to the eternal question, and it's no longer someones philosophical opinion on the subject.

                                                        In 1687 Galileo using science and observation demonstrated to the world that the sun is center of the universe. Only 1992 Roman Catholic church recognized it. How long it will take them to recognize Stephen Hawking scientific discoveries?
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                                                        • Irish Lumberjack
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                                                          #63
                                                          Hawking is just pissed at god because he's in a wheel chair and has to use that crazy voice box thing.
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                                                          • pat venditto
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                                                            #64
                                                            Irish why would "god" make anyone suffer from disease?

                                                            Why do babies die and terrorists live long?

                                                            And don't give me "Oh it was gods plan"

                                                            So many people on this planet are brainwashed by their parents its so fuking sick. I'm sorry you will never see your dead family again. It's life man we are mammals just like other animals we are a species.

                                                            Religion was made to control the barbarians making sure they have a reason to act civilized. Sad it comes to that but it's true.
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                                                            • Sam Odom
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                                                              #65
                                                              venditto , Calvinism explains it well
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                                                              • Irish Lumberjack
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                                                                #66
                                                                Relax patty, deep breaths
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                                                                • pavyracer
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                                                                  #67
                                                                  I can imagine God being bored one day when there was nothing anywhere around him and started messing around creating stuff and after 7 days he was finished. The problem is if there was no Earth before he created the universe then how did he know it took him 7 days? Because without Earth he wouldn't have known how long a day is? Or did he based it on the day of another planet?
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                                                                  • str
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                                                                    #68
                                                                    If things get tight , do you think I can give the church some points instead ?
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                                                                    • d2bets
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                                                                      #69
                                                                      All I know is god must not be very good with money because the churches pay no tax but always seem to need more money.
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                                                                      • no1here
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                                                                        #70
                                                                        There is but one whole, the very very beginning that some call God, you are connected to and part of that whole, you are God never being separated from Universal Wisdom, as Jesus says, you have my powers and more, you are Spirit having a Human experience, learn to be a Super Being!
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