My Bookie robbed me of $8K

[Farm_Life]

I wagered $8,800 on NL to win the all-star game last night. Grading this wager no action would be really scummy if there wasn’t any language indicating there’s no action if the game is tied after 9 complete innings. It transcends scummy when there is language that clearly indicates that the game will be action if it is tied after 9 innings. They originally graded my wager a win, then took the money out of my account and graded it no bet. Will post a photo to confirm.

I called to talk to a supervisor, some Asian lady. She initially told me the wager was no action because I had the run line lol. She then couldn’t explain a scenario in which the (incl. extra innings) situation could have played out. She finally flat out admitted she was unaware of the all-star game format for extras. Pretty sickening shit.

[2Sweeet]

Some places paid some didin't. I personally think it should be a Push. I don't think most books were aware this was going to happen if the game was tied.

[Chiefs83]

I had the All star game at about 8 diff books, pre & live i bet. All my wagers were graded. Would of loved the bets to be Voided as my biggest play was NL -1.5

What other books Voided

[Farm_Life]

Some places paid some didin't. I personally think it should be a Push. I don't think most books were aware this was going to happen if the game was tied.

So a book should randomly void a bet that’s tied after 9inn after they specifically confirm they won’t void it in parentheses?

[stevenash]

I had the AL runline; it was graded a no-action push.
I'm fine with that decision.

[Optional]

If the market says (inc extra innings) as shown in the screenshot, how can there be any argument that it should be graded a winner?

What am I missing?

[Farm_Life]

If the market says (inc extra innings) as shown in the screenshot, how can there be any argument that it should be graded a winner?

What am I missing?

Thank you for the response!

If there was zero language on the slip, I would still consider it pretty goofy to grade it no action unless specified ties after 9 are void. But to have it say it includes extra innings and then have it cancelled just smells to high heaven. Especially after them grading it a win originally for an hour or two.

All I wanted from the supervisor is give me one scenario where (incl. extra innings) comes into play.

[Optional]

Thank you for the response!

If there was zero language on the slip, I would still consider it pretty goofy to grade it no action unless specified ties after 9 are void. But to have it say it includes extra innings and then have it cancelled just smells to high heaven. Especially after them grading it a win originally for an hour or two.

All I wanted from the supervisor is give me one scenario where (incl. extra innings) comes into play.

It might be worth using email instead of live chat and ask if it can be escalated to a supervisor to double check. I'm not sure how any manager who knows how betting works could argue with you.

[pavyracer]

Thank you for the response!

If there was zero language on the slip, I would still consider it pretty goofy to grade it no action unless specified ties after 9 are void. But to have it say it includes extra innings and then have it cancelled just smells to high heaven. Especially after them grading it a win originally for an hour or two.

All I wanted from the supervisor is give me one scenario where (incl. extra innings) comes into play.

Try to find out how they graded the AL win bets. Because if they graded yours as push and the AL wins as loss it's very concerning.

[unde0087]

Some places paid some didin't. I personally think it should be a Push. I don't think most books were aware this was going to happen if the game was tied.

Have to agree with you on this one. It seems this book wasn't even aware the MLB was implementing new rules for just this game, which is pretty mickey mouse if you ask me. I will say a push after how that game went down would be a satisfactory conclusion to me. A home run derby to declare winner was a coin toss at best. I don't really understand how someone fires off several thousand dollar bet on a glorified exhibition game to begin with but to each their own.
Since the book can probably just claim they weren't aware of rule changes they can pretty much grade however they see fit. The only way you win this is having a screenshot of prior rules they had posted on extra innings scenario.
I know one thing. If this was me and the book doesn't give me a satisfactory answer or conclusion to this situation, A) remaining balance would be withdrawn that day B) would never get a single bet from me ever again

[Optional]

Have to agree with you on this one. It seems this book wasn't even aware the MLB was implementing new rules for just this game, which is pretty mickey mouse if you ask me. I will say a push after how that game went down would be a satisfactory conclusion to me. A home run derby to declare winner was a coin toss at best. I don't really understand how someone fires off several thousand dollar bet on a glorified exhibition game to begin with but to each their own.
Since the book can probably just claim they weren't aware of rule changes they can pretty much grade however they see fit. The only way you win this is having a screenshot of prior rules they had posted on extra innings scenario.
I know one thing. If this was me and the book doesn't give me a satisfactory answer or conclusion to this situation, A) remaining balance would be withdrawn that day B) would never get a single bet from me ever again

Someone please explain to me what I have wrong to think stating (extra innings included) on the market offering is in any way ambiguous for the purposes of grading?

I admit baseball is my weakest sport knowledge and I often ask for a second opinion when it comes to baseball grading disputes. But I am confused as hell as to why so many regulars think the book may be correct here.

C'mon someone, help me out and explain why like its Baseball Betting For Dummies.

[unde0087]

Someone please explain to me what I have wrong to think stating (extra innings included) on the market offering is in any way ambiguous for the purposes of grading?

I admit baseball is my weakest sport knowledge and I often ask for a second opinion when it comes to baseball grading disputes. But I am confused as hell as to why so many regulars think the book may be correct here.

C'mon someone, help me out and explain why like its Baseball Betting For Dummies.

There isn't much to explain. A typical baseball game would have extra innings until someone wins. The weird thing about the All Star game this year was they implemented this new system. I am guessing because people didn't want to see a tie anymore. I don't disagree that since they had the homerun derby to see who won that technically that should give this guy a win. On the other hand it isn't how any other baseball game would be decided so I can see where the books, especially if they weren't aware of this, would just grade it as a tie. No one actually scored a run to win the game, like you would see in any other baseball game. This is why you don't fire off a big wager on games like this where it is an exhibition game and the rules are different. It obviously became a shit show grading. I would assume books will have a different take next time around so they don't get caught with their pants down again. The guy should have a win but I can see where books will try to use this one weird occurrence as a scapegoat.

[Optional]

There isn't much to explain. A typical baseball game would have extra innings until someone wins. The weird thing about the All Star game this year was they implemented this new system. I am guessing because people didn't want to see a tie anymore. I don't disagree that since they had the homerun derby to see who won that technically that should give this guy a win. On the other hand it isn't how any other baseball game would be decided so I can see where the books, especially if they weren't aware of this, would just grade it as a tie. No one actually scored a run to win the game, like you would see in any other baseball game. This is why you don't fire off a big wager on games like this where it is an exhibition game and the rules are different. It obviously became a shit show grading. I would assume books will have a different take next time around so they don't get caught with their pants down again. The guy should have a win but I can see where books will try to use this one weird occurrence as a scapegoat.

Thanks Unde. Appreciate you helping me understand the situation better.

[ProSportsEdge]

Some places paid some didin't. I personally think it should be a Push. I don't think most books were aware this was going to happen if the game was tied.

yeah i agree, felt like a surprise twist no one saw coming most books seemed just as confused as the rest of us.

[Optional]

If I was advocating for this guy I would still be arguing that an official result was declared and the bet slip clearly shows that the odds were offered with a result required, even if extra innings are needed. Any sort of shoot out or tie break decider the league chooses meets the intent of that bet offering. It's disingenuous to say a home run derby as the extra innings either changes the bet odds or causes any palpable confusion for bettors.

[Chiefs83]

Please list ALL books that Voided this bet, trying to recoup some money if the book graded there results as a Void & a Loss

Did anyone have the run line Voided, & at which bookie???

[pavyracer]

What they needed to do is have different rules for this game as it was just a single game. Like in the parenthesis (incl. extra innings) should have said (all bets voided if tie after 9 innings). But maybe this was done intentionally to refund winners and collect from losers. This is what needs to be investigated and if true avoid this book at all costs.

[2Sweeet]

I had one book BetmGM grade it as a push I had another Book Bet105 grade it as a loss I had AL.

[2Sweeet]

I no FD and DK graded it as a winner or a loser from ppl I no.

[Chiefs83]

BallyBet graded my NL wager Run Line wager -1.5 a loss
BetRivers graded my Live bet AL +2.5 a winner

[unde0087]

Thanks Unde. Appreciate you helping me understand the situation better.

You got it Opti. Hell you have helped me throughout the years with BS from different books. One time all I had to do, after getting the run around for a week, was threaten to blast them on SBR and get Opti involved. The money was in my account very next morning. The name Opti is fear throughout the globe.

[MalikHusam]

The way this game ended... that B.S. little extra HR Derby at the end... has nothing to do with 'real baseball'.

You would never get 8k down on a game that's 'not real baseball'. Shitty it turned out like this for you, but let this be a lesson for the future. You can just hope they would act the same and push/cancel the bet if AL won the mini HR derby and the All Star game (I bet they would!)

[MalikHusam]

What they needed to do is have different rules for this game as it was just a single game. Like in the parenthesis (incl. extra innings) should have said (all bets voided if tie after 9 innings). But maybe this was done intentionally to refund winners and collect from losers. This is what needs to be investigated and if true avoid this book at all costs.

This is circus game, not an actual sporting event, IF IT IS TIED in the end like this.

It should really have an 1X2 line, a-la 'soccer 90 minutes regulation time', if they keep these stupid fukkin rules for next year(s)

[mets710]

Dude that SUCKS! My bookie would never do that, and he is looking for 10-20 spots for upcoming football season. Credit based if legit.. shoot me a message and I can connect you or anyone looking.

[pavyracer]

This is circus game, not an actual sporting event, IF IT IS TIED in the end like this.

It should really have an 1X2 line, a-la 'soccer 90 minutes regulation time', if they keep these stupid fukkin rules for next year(s)

Absolutely. The book took an almost $10,000 bet on an exhibition game and no one from the book bothered to even fix the ticket and it said including extra innings which shouldn't have been there. How hard is it to program the software for this single game to remove that wording it didn''t apply for this game.

[Farm_Life]

Can’t tell how many of these responses were trolls, but your opinion on what should be the ruling or your opinion on how much I bet is irrelevant.

what matters is the language they used on the bet slip, that said the game will have action if tied after 9. That’s the topic at hand.

[unde0087]

Can’t tell how many of these responses were trolls, but your opinion on what should be the ruling or your opinion on how much I bet is irrelevant.

what matters is the language they used on the bet slip, that said the game will have action if tied after 9. That’s the topic at hand.

If you are going to win this argument with your book you have to get them to explain what the (including extra innings) means. My guess is they are going to tell you all MLB games come with that because in everyday baseball the two teams would play until one out scores the other. The easiest out for them, which technically is true and why you have an up hill battle, is there are no extra innings in an All star game. The derby decided the winner. A 10th inning wasn't played and no one actually scored a run to win the game. So the question becomes does a homerun derby constitute "extra innings"? The language, as you call it, was left with an open question mark for personal interpretation which they can take advantage of in case this situation arose, which this season it did.