Shedeur Sanders now favored to go 9th. Took some going 4th.

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Who did he play for?

Most of us know Walt Whitman as probably the greatest poet in the history of the US of A.
However, many do not know that Walt's great God Son, Joe, was blessed with a real, live left-handed pitching arm.
Joe just signed with the SF Giants.

(I keep telling you those southpaw pitchers are pure evil)

Joe Whitman Stats, Age, Position, Height, Weight, Fantasy & News | MiLB.com

[Eddy Munny]

Funny how people think Shadeur was "owed" a lofty draft position. If any of those owners/coaches thought he was franchise changing quarterback, they would have jumped at the opportunity, much less wait until the 5th round. If Sanders is so great, he'll earn the bag in the long run, it's still there for the taking, it just isn't getting dropped in his lap right out of the gate is all.

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Most of us know Walt Whitman as probably the greatest poet in the history of the US of A.
However, many do not know that Walt's great God Son, Joe, was blessed with a real, live left-handed pitching arm.
Joe just signed with the SF Giants.

(I keep telling you those southpaw pitchers are pure evil)

Joe Whitman Stats, Age, Position, Height, Weight, Fantasy & News | MiLB.com

Just messing with you Nasher.

I pitched lefty in high school .
The Jesuit’s made sure I knew all about Walt Whitman. Did not know about his Godson though.
Good stuff.

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Just messing with you Nasher.

I know that, I just love serving it back, all in good fun, of course.
Not for nothing, the only thing Joe and Walt have in common is the same last name, no relation.

I do believe Walt Whitman said something to the effect a hundred years ago, "I am neither hetero nor homosexual, I am married to my writings."

That was just my attempt at bad satire.

[Mac4Lyfe]

, calling himself legendary and having that plastered all over the walls(he thinks he is a much bigger deal than he is)...

What’s wrong with calling yourself the greatest? I’ve never met a winner that didn’t expect to win. Nor a loser that didn’t expect to lose. Winners learn to plaster positive affirmations all over the place. I wouldn’t want someone that didn’t think they were a big deal.

[JAKEPEAVY21]

What’s wrong with calling yourself the greatest? I’ve never met a winner that didn’t expect to win. Nor a loser that didn’t expect to lose. Winners learn to plaster positive affirmations all over the place. I wouldn’t want someone that didn’t think they were a big deal.

I'd agree for the most part but there's a big difference in being confident and believing in yourself as opposed to being arrogant and delusional. That coupled with some of the other baggage and concerns that he will likely bring along is a major cause for concern.

To have that type of attitude, you can get away with it if your talent is off the charts....not for a likely backup QB.

[Eddy Munny]

What’s wrong with calling yourself the greatest? I’ve never met a winner that didn’t expect to win. Nor a loser that didn’t expect to lose. Winners learn to plaster positive affirmations all over the place. I wouldn’t want someone that didn’t think they were a big deal.

Belief in your own greatness and announcing it to the world without evidence are two different things. The silent assassins who sweat and toil when the crowds have dispersed and the cameras are off are typically the ones to fear. Shadeur just seems like he's inhabiting a character and hoping to sway believers with words rather than actions.

[ChuckyTheGoat]

Was the bet for FOURTH ROUND? Almost!

[Mac4Lyfe]

I'd agree for the most part but there's a big difference in being confident and believing in yourself as opposed to being arrogant and delusional. That coupled with some of the other baggage and concerns that he will likely bring along is a major cause for concern.

To have that type of attitude, you can get away with it if your talent is off the charts....not for a likely backup QB.

I played with a lot of arrogant and sometimes delusional teammates. You almost have to be to run through a wall, be a gunner on kick off, knock someone’s head off. If you’re not confident and believe in yourself, you can be killed out there. So that’s a prerequisite. But some guys are just wired in different ways. Some feed off of bravado and being an ass and being doubted. I can’t tell a man how to motivate themselves. It has to come from within.

we shall soon see if he has talent or not. The NFL is not a charity club. If you can’t play, you won’t make it past camp.

[Mac4Lyfe]

Belief in your own greatness and announcing it to the world without evidence are two different things. The silent assassins who sweat and toil when the crowds have dispersed and the cameras are off are typically the ones to fear. Shadeur just seems like he's inhabiting a character and hoping to sway believers with words rather than actions.

Sanders took a no name HBCU college team and made them a household name. He went to a Colorado team that was one of the worst in football. He quadrupled their wins, brought a winning culture, infused a lot of money to a team that needed it badly. Nobody talked about Colorado. What more evidence do you need? What more actions does he need to do?

[JAKEPEAVY21]

Sanders took a no name HBCU college team and made them a household name. He went to a Colorado team that was one of the worst in football. He quadrupled their wins, brought a winning culture, infused a lot of money to a team that needed it badly. Nobody talked about Colorado. What more evidence do you need? What more actions does he need to do?

None of that had anything to do with Deion being the coach? Come on man...

[Eddy Munny]

Sanders took a no name HBCU college team and made them a household name. He went to a Colorado team that was one of the worst in football. He quadrupled their wins, brought a winning culture, infused a lot of money to a team that needed it badly. Nobody talked about Colorado. What more evidence do you need? What more actions does he need to do?

Without evidence in the NFL is what I'm referring to. The whole "if you're not trying to change your franchise, don't get me" and "history repeats itself" mantra at the podium was corny and smacked of immaturity. Apparently there was no shortage of teams that took his word and "didn't get" him at the risk of squandering a valuable pick and changing their franchise for the worse.

Like I stated earlier, plenty of GM's have rolled the dice in an attempt to land their guy and the search is neverending for many teams... so the fact that those same owners who have whiffed countless times before willingly let Sanders free fall into the 5th should tell you something. "Greatness" is both mental and physical so if Shadeur didn't even have the sense to present himself well in team interviews, perhaps there exists a mental lack that won't bode well in the NFL at the most important position.

What he did at Colorado and some other scrub college is not the entirety of the evaluation process. The Buffaloes lined up against some hilariously bad defenses in that conference, do you really expect success to automatically roll over to the NFL? Especially when he's now a subordinate to someone other than his dad?

[Mac4Lyfe]

None of that had anything to do with Deion being the coach? Come on man...

Was the Patriots good because of Belichick or Brady? You have to give credit to both but QB is the most important position in football.

[Mac4Lyfe]

Without evidence in the NFL is what I'm referring to. The whole "if you're not trying to change your franchise, don't get me" and "history repeats itself" mantra at the podium was corny and smacked of immaturity. Apparently there was no shortage of teams that took his word and "didn't get" him at the risk of squandering a valuable pick and changing their franchise for the worse.

Like I stated earlier, plenty of GM's have rolled the dice in an attempt to land their guy and the search is neverending for many teams... so the fact that those same owners who have whiffed countless times before willingly let Sanders free fall into the 5th should tell you something. "Greatness" is both mental and physical so if Shadeur didn't even have the sense to present himself well in team interviews, perhaps there exists a mental lack that won't bode well in the NFL at the most important position.

What he did at Colorado and some other scrub college is not the entirety of the evaluation process. The Buffaloes lined up against some hilariously bad defenses in that conference, do you really expect success to automatically roll over to the NFL? Especially when he's now a subordinate to someone other than his dad?

I have no clue if Sanders will pan out at the next level but he’s certainly has had a level of success in HS and college. I don’t have a problem with his bravado or ego. If he doesn’t perform, he’s done. Plain and simple.

[Eddy Munny]

I have no clue if Sanders will pan out at the next level but he’s certainly has had a level of success in HS and college. I don’t have a problem with his bravado or ego. If he doesn’t perform, he’s done. Plain and simple.

Well you can rest assure he didn't fall to the 5th merely because of bravado. The bravado is likely just an extension of underlying character traits that gave owners pause to give him a huge contract.

[Mac4Lyfe]

Well you can rest assure he didn't fall to the 5th merely because of bravado. The bravado is likely just an extension of underlying character traits that gave owners pause to give him a huge contract.

I think front office folks did not want to deal with his dad. He’s only played under his dad and his dad is calling all the shots. Who wants to deal with that shit. Especially paying him guaranteed money if you select him early. The Browns selecting him in the 5th can cut him clean if he’s acts an ass. I think he’s going to come in humble and work his butt off.

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I pitched lefty in high school .
The Jesuit’s made sure I knew all about Walt Whitman. Did not know about his Godson though.

Yes, we've had this chat several times.

Like I say, lefties are straight up evil with their funky angles and all.
Old timers tell me Koufax was the greatest lefty they ever saw. I never saw him pitch.
Randy Johnson needs no introduction, and the same goes for Kershaw.
I can make a case for Kershaw having a better career than Johnson.
Kershaw was impossible to hit; he had that slight hesitation right before delivery that kept most batters off balance.

I was in tee-ball when Steve Carlton pitched; that lefty was nasty.
In 1972, Carlton won 27 games on a Phillies team that went 59-97
Factor in two ND (wins), the Phillies won 29 games in which Carlton started, just about half of the team's wins.
That's insane.
If he does that on a team that goes just 81-81, Carlton wins 40 games.

I can tell you the backstory as to what led to my Joe Whitman post of you're interested.