Blackjack (21) Question ?

**SeanL69** · 06-21-14, 01:10 AM

Originally posted by nvrlose37

I think three is the max at most places honestly.

I never knew there was a limit to how many times you could split. That alone really increases their edge.

You may be right about the 3. I know at the time, Bill's let me split 4. They are a renovated boutique hotel now and up to $250/night. Fukk them.

**Dr Nostron** · 06-23-14, 01:21 PM

I never take even money (or insurance for that matter) but it would be very tempting in this case.

**biggie12** · 06-23-14, 04:11 PM

Taking even money is -ev, unless you are counting cards and the true count is favorable to take it.

**chipper** · 07-07-14, 01:27 AM

So I would normally NEVER take insurance but with this scenario I think I'd take even money, leave with my $700 profit and get even more drunk.

**UncleChael** · 07-07-14, 02:34 AM

Take the even money come again tomorrow!! Obviously!!

**Libanese** · 07-07-14, 06:36 AM

Well since you aren't playing in any regulated betting pattern, you take the even money. It's not like you are going to grind it out much longer drunk and tired.

If you were playing an actual regulated betting pattern, I would say wave her off and take the chance.

**BigDeem5** · 07-07-14, 07:09 AM

Originally posted by Sam Odom

Ok.... you've been playing for hours , down 2,300.00 dollars - half drunk , tired and sleepy

You think, "fuuk it!" -- Put your last $3K in the circle for one last bet

You get a natural 21 A/Q - Blackjack

Dealer shows Ace

Do you take 'even money' or gamble and hope the dealer does not get a Blackjack also ?

Do not take even money

It is a -EV play

**Jayvegas420** · 07-07-14, 08:15 AM

the guy who said never push all in at a blackjack table has it dead on. Imagine staring at your 9 and your 2 while the dealer stands over a six and you've got jack s*** behind you.

Or even worse imagine staring at a couple of vowels.

Anyway....just don't do it.

The Centaur did some pretty simple math for you guys.

**slambam** · 07-07-14, 10:39 PM

Originally posted by TheCentaur

OK I will try

16 tens in a deck
36 non tens

Dealer will have a blackjack 16/52 = about 30% of the time

So 100% - 30% = 70% of the time you win 4500

.7 x $4500 = $3150 which is greater than $3000 (even money)

You are giving away over $100 every time you take even money in this situation

Well, unless the 2 guys next to you are sitting with 10 and 11. If you're gonna use math, what the rest of the table has can totally change your equation, and you're math doesn't even account for the 3 we already know. Plus what kind of moron plays at stakes this high and isn't trying to count at least the 10s and aces?

Either way, by not taking even money it's basically a 1-2 bet that the dealer has a ten. Just take your win and be happy.

**THam12** · 07-07-14, 10:59 PM

Try a simple card counting/ bet varying method. Its really easy and decreases the house's odds

**Mac Roibeaird** · 07-07-14, 11:45 PM

Take the even.

**Kaabee** · 07-08-14, 11:28 PM

Originally posted by Jayvegas420

the guy who said never push all in at a blackjack table has it dead on. Imagine staring at your 9 and your 2 while the dealer stands over a six and you've got jack s*** behind you.

Or even worse imagine staring at a couple of vowels.

Anyway....just don't do it.

The Centaur did some pretty simple math for you guys.

bad idea to go all in, but the 9-2 is bad example since you are all in either way.

**Mac4Lyfe** · 07-09-14, 12:22 AM

Insurance is a bad bet in the long run BUT my momma always said...

"A bird in the hand beats 3 to 2 in the bush!"

If the money you would win is significant to you then take your winnings and bounce. If it's a normal unit bet then let it ride and keep on playing.

**raydog** · 07-09-14, 01:33 AM

6:5 table you take the money ... 3:2 table you gamble

**TiredPro** · 10-09-14, 09:23 PM

Take even money, call it a night, and walk quietly with $700 profit.

**BriGuy** · 10-09-14, 09:36 PM

I'd take the even money. The most important thing is living to gamble another day. :-)

**STAX** · 10-09-14, 10:58 PM

best play Evside is to let it ride obviously, but given the situation I would take even money. basically comes down to how much 3K means to you personally

**thunderous** · 10-09-14, 11:16 PM

I don't know if anyone else mentioned but not taking the even money is negative bet....circumstances don't matter you take even money every single time, doesn't matter if it puts you up or if it still keeps you in red.

Although you have only four outs (10,J,Q,K) and 9 winners (9 thru ace) for me the price is not good enough.
Its a -200 bet (risking the sure 100 to win an extra 50) and -200 number doesn't sit well when the house has an edge on the other hands you play for hours.

**vividjohn45** · 10-09-14, 11:19 PM

In ur situation very ez decision. U take even money and quit. No other way

**thetrinity** · 10-09-14, 11:24 PM

shouldnt bring more then you can afford to lose, this is ridiculous odom and its back again, definitely let it ride

**laclippers504** · 10-09-14, 11:28 PM

I just got into blackjack

Honestly still figuring it out

But I play the video blackjack

If I'm not drinking I normally find it easy to make 30 or 40 bucks

When I start drinking and playing $25 hands like it's candy is when I get in trouble

To answer question Sammy, I believe I take the even money payout

**gauchojake** · 10-09-14, 11:42 PM

Originally posted by laclippers504

I just got into blackjack

Honestly still figuring it out

But I play the video blackjack

If I'm not drinking I normally find it easy to make 30 or 40 bucks

When I start drinking and playing $25 hands like it's candy is when I get in trouble

To answer question Sammy, I believe I take the even money payout

Papoose, c'mon

play live blackjack from a shoe

**laclippers504** · 10-09-14, 11:45 PM

Originally posted by gauchojake

Papoose, c'mon

play live blackjack from a shoe

I know I know I should

**thetrinity** · 10-09-14, 11:56 PM

I don't think I've ever taken even money Sammy, and I've had a blackjack against an ace on a 4 figure bet before.

I did surrender on a 10 dollar bet and a woman said I was a pussy.

**gauchojake** · 10-09-14, 11:58 PM

Originally posted by laclippers504

I know I know I should

if you're gonna shoot off 5 bucks a hand who cares, but if you're gonna play 25 or higher you might as well play at a shoe. At least you have the option to count or get a feel for the shoe.

**laclippers504** · 10-10-14, 12:02 AM

[QUOTE=gauchojake;22757885]if you're gonna shoot off 5 bucks a hand who cares, but if you're gonna play 25 or higher you might as well play at a shoe. At least you have the option to count or get a feel for

ima do that. No more screwing around at the machine

**GunShard** · 10-10-14, 12:57 AM

If you lose 25% of your bankroll. Walk away.
If you win 25% of your bankroll. Walk away.

**James D** · 10-10-14, 02:14 AM

Originally posted by MoneyLineDawg

The correct answer is to not take even money and let it ride....But I would argue that in this situation, there's a decent chance that you go busto if you end up getting a push.....Take the money and run away with a decent profit here as the profit outweighs your potential tilt/lose more factor

If you are a robot with zero emotions let it ride

The correct MATHEMATICAL answer is to let it ride, but in this case the correct answer is taking the 3k and leaving. The Ulility of this perfectly timed winning hand at even money far outweighs the possible benefits you would derive by letting it ride. Despite the mathematics, you take the money and run.

A similar question is someone gives you 5 million dollars. You can surrender the 5 million for a 20% chance at 50 million. Mathematically the correctly play is obvious, but in reality the average person is a fool to pass up the 5 million.

**gauchojake** · 10-10-14, 02:22 AM

Originally posted by James D

The correct MATHEMATICAL answer is to let it ride, but in this case the correct answer is taking the 3k and leaving. The Ulility of this perfectly timed winning hand at even money far outweighs the possible benefits you would derive by letting it ride. Despite the mathematics, you take the money and run.

A similar question is someone gives you 5 million dollars. You can surrender the 5 million for a 20% chance at 50 million. Mathematically the correctly play is obvious, but in reality the average person is a fool to pass up the 5 million.

James, good to see you back. Let's compare celebrity sightings at Roscoes.

**Reload** · 10-10-14, 04:00 AM

Originally posted by James D

The correct MATHEMATICAL answer is to let it ride, but in this case the correct answer is taking the 3k and leaving. The Ulility of this perfectly timed winning hand at even money far outweighs the possible benefits you would derive by letting it ride. Despite the mathematics, you take the money and run.

A similar question is someone gives you 5 million dollars. You can surrender the 5 million for a 20% chance at 50 million. Mathematically the correctly play is obvious, but in reality the average person is a fool to pass up the 5 million.

I'd have to agree here. If you've gone "all in" with a way bigger bet than you would have normally made, then take the even money.

**Sam Odom** · 10-10-14, 12:13 PM

Several Sharp replies in this thread...

**eidolon** · 10-10-14, 06:13 PM

Take the money.

why?
because....
a)If he does have a ten underneath, and you go for it. You will be cursing yourself for a long time and it will effect the many things in your future because the bet amount is way higher than your normal amount.

b)You win because he doesn't have a ten, you are happy for a minute because you won and you let it ride.

c)You win, because you take even money. You are happy, and after a long grind you are up $700 dollars from one hand after being down $2300.

Though you should let it ride if it was your normal amount bet (that is if you aren't counting).

**Kaabee** · 10-10-14, 08:30 PM

Let it ride. You can win this hand with a blackjack or win the next hand. 2 cracks at it.

**BriGuy** · 10-10-14, 10:05 PM

Originally posted by thunderous

I don't know if anyone else mentioned but not taking the even money is negative bet....circumstances don't matter you take even money every single time, doesn't matter if it puts you up or if it still keeps you in red.

You can play it however you want, but sorry to tell you, taking even money is a negative expected value wager, and a pretty bad one at that (assuming a standard table where BJ pays 3-2).

Hmmmmmmm...... maybe that's why the casino always offers it to players.

**jjgold** · 10-10-14, 10:14 PM

Sammy casino games are your downfall in life

You continue to believe that they are beatable and you can grind out money on a weekly basis