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You just say that you never authorized the charges and you don't know who the hell "egames" is or "sport4u" etc. This will also have them banning future charges from these clowns and that will **** up the sportsbook.com money stream coming in.Comment -
You don't need to tell them what product... Just say you did not receive the product purchased.
Honestly, if you just write your bank and say I am disputing the charge of ___ amount on ____ date, that will do the trick.
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The book sounds vulnerable to also being scammed if they won't fight a **********. Somebody could have deposited months ago, lost fair and square, and now try to ********** justifying it ( to themselves) by saying SB is toast already.
Doug, this is true and why many books don't take them or only take $500 or whatever.. Many books also get your ID and signature before you can bet. It's all a matter of profit vs risk. They obviously know how many chargebacks they get per deposit and their profit per deposit.
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And your bank will get their money back:
Here is what happens. When your bank files the dispute, the other bank sends them the money. The other bank then gets the money from Sportsbook. The other bank likely holds 10-20% of Sportsbooks transactions for 180 days to cover chargebacks. If their amount goes over this, they will debit their associated bank account.
Even if Sportsbook goes under, the merchant account bank will pay your bank (They are bound by V/** agreements). This is why they charge 1-8% on credit card transactions depending on your risk as a merchant.
If the merchant bank were to go under (Say a huge corporation when under and then the merchant bank follows), then your bank is on the hook for the money.
If your bank would not pay it, they would lose their ability of providing **** or mastercards.
-SeanComment -
We talked to Sportsbook.com folks again today and they are telling us that the small batch of initial wires they sent have been confirmed as received by players. We will be checking in daily for any changes but they maintain that those who have requested wires, or switched from check to wire, around 3/14 will see the money this week.Comment -
Just a quick note: denying you made the charges/telling them you didn't authorize it IS credit card fraud and could potentially get you in trouble. This is different than charging back which is telling them they didn't provide the service stated in the contract. That is the safer route.
Also, I know I am new and hold no weight around here, but if people start doing this it may hurt everyone receiving wires/checks IF they are really en route. I am not saying I believe that, but waiting until Friday to **********/dispute won't really put us in a worse position. We need to figure out who had the earliest confirmed bank wire withdrawal, and have them post on the 10th and 11th business day stating whether they have received the funds. Mine was sent out (in theory) on March 19th, so my 10th bus. day is either Friday or next Monday depending on how they measure it. I thought some people's had been sent out the 15th or 16th, which would make the drop-dead date this week sometime. We should measure if this is legit based on those first few wire transfers.
Also, anyone who has had a check supposedly sent via FedEX get a tracking number ASAP and see if that is legit.
This sucks for everybody but honestly we will know FOR SURE by Friday (assuming someone had an earlier send out date than me) or Monday whether they straight-up lied about sending out bank wires. Any action taken before this is figured out only hurts us.
jonComment -
Ok, here is how it works. I called **** this morning and you must talk to the fraud department.
After specifying the charges, they send you a letter you must sign and fax or send back.
After this is done, it takes 2 weeks to process.
I am not sure what will happen but my letter is definitely in the mail.
I will not let them jerk me around any longer.Comment -
The cs guys have no way of knowing if anyone recieved thier wires. They also have no way way of knowing whether thier processor actually sent the money. Only thing they could possibly know is whether Jezette sent instructions for us to be paid.Comment -
I am not saying I am sending it in, but i want this letter for any further situations.Comment -
i'd really like to see Trun post a chat session with a cs rep, where he asks them to comfirm when his wire was sent, and how many days it's been...
Also the vast majority of our wire transfers are still within 7-10business days, and checks should be going out by the end of the week... so why is everybody freaking out right now, things will become clear one way or the other within the next week.Comment -
Regarding challenging the credit card charges, I would strongly advise against doing that until this is resolved. I am an attorney and I know that by signing a release statement to the credit card you maybe liable for fraud yourself, particularly if we get our money by this weekend and they did pay up, yet you signed a statement saying they had confiscated your money or whatever.
Also, what I fear a lot of these credit cards will do is not grant the chargebacks based on the fact that our activity was illegal (i.e. gambling) under the Port Security Act and maybe before it. The fact that the banks authorized the charges is muddy legally cause they may not have "known" 100% who they were sending it to. We all, however, knew exactly where we were sending it, so they will point to that before granting chargebacks. It maybe a case by case situation, but this is not like a traditional ********** situation, and repeated charges are not likely to be granted by a credit card or bank. It's not a bad plan for a desperate last resort, but don't forget, we are still w/in the time frame they stated for payment, so it's not like we're 100% screwed at this point, or even close honestly.
A couple things that are positive signs: the CS reps are a) keeping their stories relatively straight (albeit abstract) as to our individual accounts, b) they are telling some of us the wires/checks have not been sent out yet (if they are going under, why not just tell everybody it was sent out and save themselves the problems), c) they have confirmed multiple wires have been sent to the banks (they should know that some day at the end of this week is D-Day and if the wires are not there its over; if they wanted to buy more time they would've said 10-15 days or not confirmed the send date or something), d) they actually put up their check processor, which should be able to be tracked with FedEX.
The thing that could screw everybody over, other than Jazette of course, is if we start making huge amounts of chargebacks and have Sportsbooks money frozen so we actually force them to go under. I don't know that much about the specific process of chargebacks, so I may be wrong, but I know there's either 60 or 120 days to claim them so unless that is tomorrow for people, they should wait til the weekend.
Is there anybody here whos wire was sent out before the 19th? As much as I want to wait this out, I think if that wire does not hit by 10 days we will know whats up and then it will be everybody for themselves.Comment -
well put. Also i guess i can understand some of you freaking out due to placing 1000s on your cc to bet with money you don't have, i mean c'mon thats horrible. I got over 10k in sportsbook 100% from poker and my initial cc deposit was 100 bucks 2 months ago. So i'm not so concerned about a **********...lolComment -
MODERNMAN HUSTLE,
EVEWRYONE IS ACTING THIS WAY, BECAUSE THIS IS UMPTEENTH TIME THAT WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DAYS. EVERYTIME IT HAS BEEN A LIE AND ALWASY JUST BEEN A STALLING MANEUVER.
Sportsbook.com has told me on a couple occasions that they sent out a batch of wires the week previous.
I do not know if I believe them, but if that is teh case, today was day 10.
I STILL CAN NOT BELEIVE THEY ARE CONTINUALLY TELLING CUSTOMERS AND SBR THAT PLAYERS HAVE RECEIVED FUNDS.Comment -
Anyone that was told their wires were sent out March 21st or earlier, post the date you were told and your 10th business day. This should be easy to figure out. If we get 5 or more people that the wires don't hit, sportsbook will not be able to give us any individual excuses (i.e. you put your bank info/SWIFT info/etc. wrong). I think this will make the issue very black and white.
My wire was "sent out" Mar. 19th. My 10th business day is Apr.2d.
I VERY MUCH hope that someone's was sent earlier than mine because, of course, this is the day of the end of March Madness for all the conspiracy theorists.
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You are crazy if you think you are going to be charged for fraud for disputing a charge made by a sportsbook who refuses to give you back your money for 6 weeks.
Part of the implied services of sportsbook.com is withdrawals in a reasonable time period. They have not provided these and you have every right to charge back.
Now if you get a check in 2 weeks and you keep the charge back, that's fraud. At that point, you should notify your card to let the charge stand (Once the check clears)
SeanComment -
EXACTLY, first time I agree with sean. haha.
YOu ahve every right to dispute teh charges. They did not do what tehy are supposed to. If you order a product and it is backordered, and teh company scharges you and months later has not sent the product, you dispute the charge.
If tehy send you the priduct down the line, you either reverse teh dispute, or return the product.Comment -
Jon,
Mine was also sent the 19th so d-day for me is the 2nd of aprilComment -
CAN SOME ONE PLEASE TELL ME HOW BILL DOZER IS POSTING AN UPDATE HERE FROM SPORTSBOOK ABOUT PLAYERS RECEIVING HTEIR WIRES< WHEN WE WLL KNOW FULL WELL THIS IS NOT THE CASE>
3 weeks for a check to be processed? hmmmm? sounds like mor e stalling time to me. If they dont say this (3 weeks) then they will ahve to provide tracking info by end of week, which they will not have if they havenot sent any checks.
IT DOES BAFFLE ME THOUGHT THAT SPORTSBOOK>COM WOULD TELL CUSTOMERS THERI WIRES WERE SENT IF THEY WERENT> WHY LIE AT THIS POINT? AND TO EVERYONE? IF THIS WAS FALSE WHICH WE WILL KNOW SOON< THAT IS INSANE< AND THEY WILL SURELY GO UNDER< EVEN IF THEY PLANNED ON PAYING DOWN THE ROAD.Comment -
Hey i placed my first check withdraw from sb on the 22nd of last month so i've been waiting as long as you all. I understand that sportsbook has been buying time, several weeks infact with delays, this is understandable to me in that the US gov has made is significantly harder for these company's to process receive and send money... this isn't something sportsbook made up, i played on fulltilt poker and had a several week delay in being able to get funds prior to playing on sportsbook. I've heard bodog is having similar problems.
Also i've haven't seen anything close to proof that someone like Trun from this board actually got confirmation that his wire was sent on the 13th making it 10 business days today... all he has to do is post a cs conversation on this board where he confirms when his wire was sent ect... but i have seen nothing like that from anybody.
All i'm saying is by the end of next week, everything should be crystal clear one way or the other, so why freak out now.Comment -
Please wait for a site operator to respond. Your chat should be answered within 0 seconds. Thank you for your patience.
Hello, my name is Tom Jacobs. How may I help you today?
You: I see your option for withdrawing by checks is back up but you are saying bank wire is still quicker -- how long would a check take if requested today
Tom Jacobs: we still have small delays with processing checks
You: small delays -- can you define
Tom Jacobs: it should be sent to you by the end of the week
You: and how long are you saying now for bank wires
Tom Jacobs: up to 10 business days
You: but no more than 10 ?
Tom Jacobs: no
You: i hate to ask a silly question but are you 100% sure that bank wires are not taking more than 10 business days
Tom Jacobs: yes
You: ok - then can you check my account - today was day 9 and I am really concerned i will not see it tomorrow
You: did i lose you ?
Tom Jacobs: no
Tom Jacobs: I'm here
You: can you check my account and tell me what happens if my money is not in my account tomorrow -- the 10th business day
Tom Jacobs: if it will not be in your account tomorrow please contact us again
You: but you are saying 100% it will be just a moment ago when telling me wires only take up to 10 business days -- why would it not be there ?
You: im just asking for some help, XXX in Platinum has been helping me but I need someone who can provide some answers
You: Why would the money not be there tomorrow and what will sportsbook do at that point to help me out
Tom Jacobs: we can track this transfer
Tom Jacobs: this is a bank transfer so this money will not disappear
You: please - I have asked for over 1 week to get the tracing number -- My bank has requested and told me if they have the tracing number they can tell when it was sent and when it will post in my account
You: my bank is telling me that there is no way the money was sent on the 13th of March - that an international wire anywhere in the world for USD to the US would take 5 days maximum - usually just two
You: Even with a European bank involved, transferring USD from/.to anywhere in the world takes a maximum of 2 business days to do the bank-to-bank transfer & a maximum of 5 days for it to show up in your account. Ask for a copy of the transaction, with the name of the European bank, and the IBAN or BIC reference number for the transaction (European equivalent of a US Fed Wire reference number), and the value date of the transaction (when their account was debited)
You: This is what my bank sent me to ask you guys -- please provide - if you have the tracing number that is great - that is what I have been asking for
Tom Jacobs: I'll forward your request for a tracking # to account department
You: I thought you told me you could trace it -- i would like some help and some answers besides what you are being told to tell people or if you can direct me to someone that can help I would appreciate that
You: You were the one who just said 10 days - no more -- a few more hours that will be the case and no money
You: Can you have someone in upper management contact me via phone - Im done playing around - I would like some honest answers
You: or who may i contact
Tom Jacobs: there is no supervisor available at the moment
Tom Jacobs: if you want you can wait
You: who may i contact and when then -- or provide me with the tracing number
Tom Jacobs: and I'll transfer you when one will be available
You: You said you can trace the withdrawal -- how and why has this not happened yet
Your Issue ID for this chat is
Tom Jacobs: I don't have your tracking # in system
You: what does that matter -- everyone knows my concerns - I just want someone who has some answers or can help me
Tom Jacobs: I have to request it from account department
You: what happens tomorrow when day 10 comes and sportsbook has given me an empty promise -- who is the top person i can go to and what number should I call them at
You: I have been super patient and given you guys the benefit of the doubt but tomorrow is business day 10 and I am waiting on almost xxx right now -- all i ask is who to talk to and how to reach them and I will do that if the money is not in my bank tomorrow
Tom Jacobs: North America 1-800-632-6088
You: what is that -- I want a name and direct line --
You: I have your platinum number if I wanted a generic number
You: you were the one that told me 10 days no more -- why would you say that if you were not 100% -- I just wish you were honest with me
You: anything ? any response please /
Tom Jacobs: Can I have your customer ID number please? (You can find this number underneath your name on your betting ticket when you login to your account.)
You: can i have a name and number who to contact then
Tom Jacobs: 1-800-632-6088
Tom Jacobs: any person that will answer will be able to provide you with hepl
You: this is how you treat a platinum customer who has deposited over xxxx over the past couple years
Tom Jacobs: *help
You: no they wont and you know that -- you told me 10 days and are not correct
You: and have not provided me any additional help or procedure on the money not being there
Tom Jacobs: you should have a personal telephone number
You: i do have the platinum number -- i have talked to xxx
numerous times throughout this process -- Supposedly xxx is his boss -- I just want someone who has some answers to call me vs a CS rep who is force feeding standard answers without true knowledge
Tom Jacobs: then this is the only telephone # that I can provide you with
You: what about a name -- you say anyone can help - but obviously they cant - just like yourself, or you would find the tracing number and bank information that I have requested 1 week ago
Tom Jacobs: Can I have your customer ID number please?
You: xxxxxxx
You: does it make any difference ?
You: who has real answers - who can i ask for when i call
Tom Jacobs: I see that there is no tracking # available for your withdrawals at the moment
You: but you assure me the money should be in my account by tomorrow -- correct -- you said 100% 10 days at most ? Is this still true
Tom Jacobs: yes
You: and I ask again - who can i contact besides xxx if it is not -- he has assured me he will call me tomorow night but I would like a back-up just in case because as I am sure you know - sportsbook has promised me things for a month now and none have been true -- i can forward you the emails from all of this that told me 3-5 days after the money was sent
Tom Jacobs: then call this # 1-800-632-6088 or come back in live chat
Tom Jacobs: and request a supervisor
You: anyone to ask for as far as name ?
Tom Jacobs: yes
Tom Jacobs: ask anyone
Tom Jacobs: to be transferred to supervisor
You: Last question -- how do you know that the money will be in my account tomorrow ? Obviously this is effecting my life greatly do to the amount involved
You: due
Tom Jacobs: tomorrow is the last day of this timeframe that I gave you
You: i understand that - i am surprised that you said yes without any doubt the money will be in my account tomorrow
You: i am just wondering how you know that
You: if you have any actually facts concerning that or are just assuming
Tom Jacobs: I'm just assuming
You: well i appreciate the honesty -- i just hope you are right
Tom Jacobs: Me too
You: thanks...
Tom Jacobs: You're very welcome.
You: hopefully i wont be contacting you guys tomorrow but i would be very surprised if that is not the case
Here you go -- take it for whats it worth -this was from last night - i usually dont deal with their chat as they are very good at form answers - but wanted to see what they were telling players- I have been in contact with them throughout the day and they have provided me with no answers - I waited my 10 business days and i am done with them - I am supposed to get a call this evening from their platinum supervisor but I doubt it, and I doubt that they will have any new info -- they requested the info on the trace last Monday and still dont have it --
Good luck to all of you but i have wasted enough time on this whole matter instead of making back the money i lost - I do still believe they have the money -- they just have no way to get it to the US at this point - the check option was put up but is not really working correctly - they even admit that very
few checks are going out for low amounts (under 2K) -- maybe they waited till last monday to send my wire - why would they not say that at this point ? They still insist mine went out on the 13th of March --
and yes i blanked out the Platinum Managers name, and dont have interest in giving it out at this point. Besides, he may mop the floors for all I know.Comment -
Sean,
I have to disagree. It depends on what you write when you sign the form of course, but in legal terms you maybe committing fraud on top of admitting to gambling, which itself maybe a misdemeanor. In reality, you probably won't get in trouble for it, but there are other consequences as listed above.
Regarding the sportsbook.com contract that you sign when you confirm the terms and conditions, I believe everything is to be arbitrated under the terms of Antigua or somewhere, and their definition of "reasonable" would also be under this country's terms. The bottom line is most of that contract would be unenforceable (it is called "adhesive" under U.S. law) because sportsbook retains all sorts of rights "at its sole discretion." This means that Sportsbook.com would be laughed out of U.S. court in a dispute. However, we can't even reach them on jurisdictional grounds, so their contract is irrelevant. I guess none of this might matter for chargebacks, but that contract means next to nothing and is self-defined under local law. If we ********** en masse, I imagine **** will come up with a comprehensive policy which may look into the validity of the contract, the nature of the activities, etc. A good idea in the future if Sportsbook goes under might be to initiate a class action against **** for allowing these shady charges in these amounts w/o investigating. But in the end, the rule really is let the buyer beware, and I really don't think its as easy as people are saying to get chargebacks on these type of charges.
Everyone will do what they want. I am still holding out some hope for Friday.
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I confirm that the withdrawal was sent out to your Bank on the 13th and we are
confirming to customers a 7-10 business day timeframe for receipt at this time
as this is a new processor and we need to get used to them and them to us. As
advised we have asked for the tracing number and as soon as this is given we
will pass this on to you.
Yours Sincerely
The funds were sent on March the 13th and they should be credited by March
27th. Other than this, there is nothing else me or any of our representatives
can add. If you don't get the funds by March 27th please let me know. In
addition, please make sure the banking instructions provided to us are correct:
Bank: xxx
address: xxx
Account Number: xxx
ABA: , SWIFT: xxx
I apologize for not being able to answer your call but at this moment the best
way to reach me is by e mail.
Here you go -- i know -- maybe i made these up -- maybe i work for a competitor - take it - believe it or dont -- this is why i stopped posting - i still read what you guys had to say but i had so many idiots actually think i was making this stuff up --- are you kidding me -- im sure some people would do that - but i assure you every word I have put on here is 100% accurate - very accurate to the point I gave very specific details ever early on --- once again - good luck to all getting their funds - if i do get any more info i will pass it alongComment -
SOME OF YOU GUYS SAYING WAIT THE 10 days?
DO you really think any wire woudl take this long? MOre importantly, ifyousend out 10 wires, they wouldnt all just magically take the mximum amount of time. It is 7-10 days you shouold def have it. It shoul d be less.
I am not saying they are not going to pay ever, but it appears that this is not round 1 of payment. It seems like this is round 4 or 5 of bullshit, and payments, if they are coming will be down the road sometime.
If this was the first paymenst going out, do you really not think someone, just one person, would report receiving a bank wire already. It is already 7 business days from last monday.Comment -
TRUN'S conversation
TRUN-
that really sucks. I don't understand why they can't come up with better canned answers even, but I think the bottom line is that he confirmed you are on bus. day 9 and tomorrow is bus. day 10. I REALLY DONT THINK these CS reps are fed any information at all, they seem to have access to an Excel spreadsheet documenting whether our w/drawals have been sent and told to say 24-48 hrs. if its not sent. Maybe the platinum number you have is better, I would hope, but these CS reps are beyond hopeless. Like I said, they have dug themselves a giant grave with this 7-10 day promise, and they know if these wires don't show up they are done. I think we are just running in circles talking to these CS reps, who may not even know if they are going under but are probably being paid $3/hr to cut and paste answers.
TRUN, thanks for taking the initiative on this, and please let us know tomorrow (sometimes wires hit after 3 p.m.) if the wire has hit your bank. Lets get a couple more people that had wires go out early and confront them as best we can. but all that said, it hasn't been 10 days yet, so cross your fingers for tomorrow, as skeptical as we all are.
and re: chargebacks, I don't mean to tell people what to do. By all means try it if you want (although I think Fri/Mon would be a good time to do it) and let us all know if it works with specific cards.
jonComment -
Trun,
Thank you for posting that, please give us an update if and when you can talk to a supervisor ect...
In the past what do they say on the phone that they are working on getting your wire tracing information?
Also, how many other people on here are in the same boat as trun, being that you got wire confirmation around the 13th?Last edited by ModernManshustle; 03-27-07, 05:03 PM.Comment -
Wtf!!!!
I don't know guys, all i know is this is shady shady shady business. At one point, I waited from March 4th for my withdraw, March 19th came, it HADN'T even been processed, So then i cancelled and played with some, re-withdrew on the 22nd, I've only received confirmation email yesterday saying it was sent..or wired..WHY WOULD IT TAKE 7-10 DAYS????? I find it hard to believe it has anything to do but to stall as long as possible so u put your money back and lose it..IMHO. If you ask me, I personally don't think I will get this money back until months..anyone who says they've gotten their checks and state they've had no problem with sportsbook is 1) lying 2) someone from SB. I've followed this from the get go when they said they lost their processor way back in early february. Since then, numerous reps have said they have gotten an new processor for their checks and are processing and sending out checks as we spoke...oddly enough, mine was never sent out. 3 weeks!!!!! each time i spoke to the rep..got the usual "hopefully end of the week". Honestly, I've come to the conclusion that I might not get the money back. At least then, I won't have any let down. As far as the bank wire, during late Feb, it was suppose to be avail, I spoke to a rep who stated, go through bank wire and you'll get ur funds in 3-5 days..this was back in late Feb...and now..i'm reading all these posts..this is uttter B.S.!!! PLEASE, IF ANYONE HAS SUCCESS WITH CHARGE BACKS, PLEASE LET ME KNOW, I COULD CARE LESS ABOUT GETTING THE MONEY BACK NOW..I JUST WANT THE F*****s TO GO THROUGH HELL!!!!Comment -
I HAVE BEEN REQUESTING WIRE INFO SINCE DAY ONE.
MY WIRE WAS SUPPOSEDLY SENT OUT ON THE 20th of March.
THEY WILL EXCEPT YOUR REQUEST FOR WIRE INFO< BUT FULL WELL KNOW THEY ARE NOT GOING AND MAYBE CANT PROVIDE IT>
YOU WILL NOT GET WIRE TRACKING INFO FROM THEM I DO NOT THINK< I HAVE ABOUT 3 TCIKETS OPEN ASKING FOR THIS. THEY CONTINUE TO SAY THEY DO NOT HAVE THAT INFO< TEH WIRE TRAMSNFERS PASS BETWEEN MULTIPLE BANKS TO GET TO US AND THAT MAKES IT IMPOSSIBLE.Comment -
The One Good Sign I Had< Was That When I Asked For My Wire Transfer That Was Supposedly Sent On 3/20 To Be Cancelled And Put Back In My Account To Play With, I Was Tol Dthi Si S Not Possible Becaus Eit Was Already Processeed And Sent.
Now They Could Be Smart Enough To Say This< And Consistent With Teh Promise It Was Sent< But I Am Not Sure.
They Have Previously Not Been Very Smart And Consistent With Lies< And Were Also Always Happy To Get It Back In V-chips, So Them Telling Me This Was Not Possible Was A Goo Dsign>
Any Chance Someone Else Has Tried This To See What Cs Reps Say> You Will Always Have The Chance To Tell Them No< Never Mind I Will Wait>Comment -
jstblaze-
you are right it is absolutely ridiculous that an int'l wire would take 10 days. When I confronted CS about this, they said they were channeling it through various intermediary caribbean banks. (why those banks wouldn't steal our money I don't know) I think this maybe partially true but the truth is probably that they tell us they sent it about 4-5 days before they did, thus buying them a week of time to get caught up. And yea, it's not looking good if all of them take 10 days, but right now all we can do is bitch about the delay. After the wires don't arrive, we can straight up say they LIED, broke their contract, and need to explain themselves. Trust me, I think 95% of what they say is full of shit, but that doesn't necessarily mean we won't get our money at the back end of their timeframe. A couple of days and we'll know.
TRUN- SOrry I didn't realize that was from last night. Have you called them today? talked to them? What have they said? Check your bank after 3 pm whatever time zone you are in.
jon
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yes the money is not in my account - today was day 10 -- they have no good answer except they have requested the info on my transaction but had done that and confirmed that last Monday - 8 days ago.
I am supposed to get a call later but i have high doubts on that - Im just done with them - I have no belief in anything they have said -- 8 days is more than fair to come up with the bank info - they have no answers and refuse to let me talk to anyone except the "manager" - I was patient with them until today - now I am doneComment -
Well..one Things For Sure...at Least We Know That The 7-10 Days Is A Crock Of Shit!!! Somehow, That's What I Expected. Those Of You Who Keep Say Wait Till Friday/monday???? Good Luck..wish I Could Just Get A Crew Of You Guys To Say..lets Charge Back Like Mad!!!Comment -
charggeback vs. waiting
ok guys so the earliest wire was sent last monday for you guys right? they say 7-10 business day so this friday is DDAy...
if noone receives by this FRIDAY i AM going to ********** on all my accounts, saying that i deposited into an online wallet and they are refusing to let me have my funds back after a full month, and just stalling. They said my wire was sent
on MARCH 22nd, and gave me the 7-10 day BS too..
i say we wait till end of this week then lets go after them,, a few more days wont hurt us, since in the psat they never gave a definite timeframe for something that HAS to happen. It was checks may go out or this feature might be available, but now they said for sure our wires are processed and we just hae to wait to receive them. SO WE CAN TAKE THEM DOWN SINCE WE WILL KNOW FOR SURE THEY LIED SINCE THEY SAY THEY WERE SENT OUT.
Guys lets hold off coupled days and then the hammer may or may not fall on these faggotsComment -
Keep us posted TRUN, at least through tonight (if they call) or tomorrow (if the funds arrive). They have not been counting the 24 hours after they send the funds as a "business day." I really think that if some of us can prove we haven't been paid, and organize against these f-ckers, that we can use the threat of massive chargebacks as leverage to get our money. They have a lot to lose from not paying; their financial processors also process for like 20 other books/poker rooms and about half the sports market if I read this newspaper article right. Chargebacks could lead to investigations of them and I genuinely think they are scared of them. There's nothing else we can really scare them with except bad PR. Lets come up with a plan to take our best shot at getting our money. For instance:
Whenever day 10 passes for 5+ people we can substantiate, we go to the CS rep and the highest manager we can find with that list. We say unless an excellent explanation and money w/ tracking # is delivered to us w/in 24-48 hrs. we have 500 people that will charge back all of their sportsbook, players only, betus, etc. accounts at the same time (say noon on Tuesday). We will also go online and tell people in the cake poker rooms not to play w/ sportsbook- they dont ever pay- they lie- etc.... We will jam their CS people and not let up until we are paid. Basically we can use guerilla warfare and fight fire with fire because they can't really get to us. We DO have the ability to hurt their business dramatically, probably costing them more money than the money they are stealing from us. And that WILL make them scared.
I don't know about the specifics, and we can definitely figure out a plan, but is anyone else interested in this course of action? I think we just need the 5+ people and 10+ days and we have the high ground in the whole fight. Who knows if or how it'll work but it's better than bitching and giving up our money.
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