Football is back! Lions / Chiefs in-game discussions

**DwightShrute** · 09-07-23, 10:12 PM

Wow big defensive play kc

**Eddy Munny** · 09-07-23, 10:13 PM

Originally posted by DwightShrute

Wow Detroit might win this

They get too cute in these run down and distances.

**d2bets** · 09-07-23, 10:13 PM

Toney again. Might be the worst game by a WR I've ever seen. Giants knew.

**DwightShrute** · 09-07-23, 10:13 PM

Toney wtf?

**bjb7223** · 09-07-23, 10:14 PM

This is why the Lions have been losing for the last 60 years.

**bjb7223** · 09-07-23, 10:15 PM

Originally posted by DwightShrute

Toney wtf?

He is point shaving I tell ya

**DwightShrute** · 09-07-23, 10:15 PM

Moore wtf?

**Eddy Munny** · 09-07-23, 10:16 PM

Originally posted by d2bets

Toney again. Might be the worst game by a WR I've ever seen. Giants knew.

They need put him on the pine and give Rashee Rice more run going forward.

**bjb7223** · 09-07-23, 10:16 PM

Another drop

**DA_MOSS** · 09-07-23, 10:16 PM

Originally posted by bjb7223

He is point shaving I tell ya

Hands down the worst receiver I’ve seen. Ridiculous

**d2bets** · 09-07-23, 10:17 PM

wtf now KC stupid. 3 timeouts why the heck.

**DwightShrute** · 09-07-23, 10:18 PM

Originally posted by DA_MOSS

Hands down the worst receiver I’ve seen. Ridiculous

He’s just having a bad game

**bjb7223** · 09-07-23, 10:18 PM

Another wr error

**DA_MOSS** · 09-07-23, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by DwightShrute

He’s just having a bad game

Joking right?

He’s got 55 receptions; 591 yards and 2 TDs in his CAREER

Dropped more balls tonight than he has career TDs

**bjb7223** · 09-07-23, 10:24 PM

Game over

**Eddy Munny** · 09-07-23, 10:25 PM

Good. This is the Chargers year to nab the division.

**DwightShrute** · 09-07-23, 10:25 PM

Originally posted by DA_MOSS

Joking right?

He’s got 55 receptions; 591 yards and 2 TDs in his CAREER

Dropped more balls tonight than he has career TDs

He’s been injured but was great at the end of last season . He will make up for it new few weeks I believe

**DA_MOSS** · 09-07-23, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by DwightShrute

He’s been injured but was great at the end of last season . He will make up for it new few weeks I believe

penetrating LOL

7 receptions for 50 yards and a TD in 3 playoff games

Last 9 games of the season:

16 receptions
171 yards
2 TD

Yea, GREAT at the end of the year. 2 games above 50 yards last 12 games of the year

**DwightShrute** · 09-07-23, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by DA_MOSS

penetrating LOL

7 receptions for 50 yards and a TD in 3 playoff games

Last 9 games of the season:

16 receptions
171 yards
2 TD

Yea, GREAT at the end of the year. 2 games above 50 yards last 12 games of the year

Ok I remember so key touchdowns last season but he had a awful game tonight which surprised me.

I am still a believer. Let’s see what happens next few games

**Eddy Munny** · 09-07-23, 10:49 PM

Originally posted by DwightShrute

Ok I remember so key touchdowns last season but he had a awful game tonight which surprised me.

I am still a believer. Let’s see what happens next few games

You own him in fantasy. Just say it.

**DwightShrute** · 09-07-23, 10:51 PM

Originally posted by Eddy Munny

You own him in fantasy. Just say it.

For sure. My last pick but I didn’t start him this week. Whew!

**hehfest** · 09-07-23, 11:27 PM

Originally posted by d2bets

wtf now KC stupid. 3 timeouts why the heck.

As a casual observer of this game and no action on it, I really am in shock a 2 time SB winning coach wouldn't punt it on 4th and 20 and then when it went to 25 {at your own 30 yl} I almost shit my pants seeing him go for it. 3 timeouts and 2 minutes left. If you are down 2 scores different story. I can honestly say I have NEVER seen that in my life. I am somewhat surprised this wasn't mentioned by Collinsworth or anyone else for that matter than me and you.

**ThaTopMoron** · 09-08-23, 12:23 AM

Originally posted by hehfest

As a casual observer of this game and no action on it, I really am in shock a 2 time SB winning coach wouldn't punt it on 4th and 20 and then when it went to 25 {at your own 30 yl} I almost shit my pants seeing him go for it. 3 timeouts and 2 minutes left. If you are down 2 scores different story. I can honestly say I have NEVER seen that in my life. I am somewhat surprised this wasn't mentioned by Collinsworth or anyone else for that matter than me and you.

you sound surprised... game keeps changing

you sound as surprised/confused/etc as fans and media were when 14 years ago Bill Belichick saw a 17 pt 4th quarter lead dwindle to 6 vs the Colts in Indy and when the Pats faced 4th and 2 on their own 28 he decided to go for it to clinch the win instead of punt and probably force Peyton to go at least 80 maybe more to win with no timeouts. it didn't work and colts won 35-34 after trailing 14-31 in early 4th

but Bill didn't go for it in 2009 on his own 28 up 6 on 4th and 2 because of analytics... he went for it because he was scared of Manning shredding his defense

lions went for it on that 4th and 2 when they had momentum, they were only up 1 because of the gifted def TD and drop leading to one of KC field goals

should've pinned KC back deep but they didn't and got lucky with more drops and a KC penalty

**hehfest** · 09-08-23, 01:16 AM

Originally posted by ThaTopMoron

you sound surprised... game keeps changing

you sound as surprised/confused/etc as fans and media were when 14 years ago Bill Belichick saw a 17 pt 4th quarter lead dwindle to 6 vs the Colts in Indy and when the Pats faced 4th and 2 on their own 28 he decided to go for it to clinch the win instead of punt and probably force Peyton to go at least 80 maybe more to win with no timeouts. it didn't work and colts won 35-34 after trailing 14-31 in early 4th

but Bill didn't go for it in 2009 on his own 28 up 6 on 4th and 2 because of analytics... he went for it because he was scared of Manning shredding his defense

lions went for it on that 4th and 2 when they had momentum, they were only up 1 because of the gifted def TD and drop leading to one of KC field goals

should've pinned KC back deep but they didn't and got lucky with more drops and a KC penalty

Sorry. No analytics in the world could possibly tell me that that move made sense.

**d2bets** · 09-08-23, 07:46 AM

Originally posted by ThaTopMoron

you sound surprised... game keeps changing

you sound as surprised/confused/etc as fans and media were when 14 years ago Bill Belichick saw a 17 pt 4th quarter lead dwindle to 6 vs the Colts in Indy and when the Pats faced 4th and 2 on their own 28 he decided to go for it to clinch the win instead of punt and probably force Peyton to go at least 80 maybe more to win with no timeouts. it didn't work and colts won 35-34 after trailing 14-31 in early 4th

but Bill didn't go for it in 2009 on his own 28 up 6 on 4th and 2 because of analytics... he went for it because he was scared of Manning shredding his defense

lions went for it on that 4th and 2 when they had momentum, they were only up 1 because of the gifted def TD and drop leading to one of KC field goals

should've pinned KC back deep but they didn't and got lucky with more drops and a KC penalty

Actually I read quite an interesting take on Twitter, Suggested to run backwards and go out of bounds at the 9 yard line. Absent a stupid penalty, they'd get the ball back with about 1:45 either down 4 or 8 (or 7 or 9 if Det scored TD and went for 2). Of course that involves not trying to convert the 4th and 25. Still, might have been the best move.

**Str8Mush4Life** · 09-08-23, 08:39 AM

Originally posted by hehfest

As a casual observer of this game and no action on it, I really am in shock a 2 time SB winning coach wouldn't punt it on 4th and 20 and then when it went to 25 {at your own 30 yl} I almost shit my pants seeing him go for it. 3 timeouts and 2 minutes left. If you are down 2 scores different story. I can honestly say I have NEVER seen that in my life. I am somewhat surprised this wasn't mentioned by Collinsworth or anyone else for that matter than me and you.

My phone blew up after that play between me and my friends all texting each other the same thing as lifelong Eagles fans.

We all basically texted each other "Wow!! That was vintage Andy with that call!!"

**mjsuax13** · 09-08-23, 09:40 AM

Originally posted by hehfest

Sorry. No analytics in the world could possibly tell me that that move made sense.

It didn’t make any sense.

**d2bets** · 09-08-23, 09:47 AM

Originally posted by d2bets

Actually I read quite an interesting take on Twitter, Suggested to run backwards and go out of bounds at the 9 yard line. Absent a stupid penalty, they'd get the ball back with about 1:45 either down 4 or 8 (or 7 or 9 if Det scored TD and went for 2). Of course that involves not trying to convert the 4th and 25. Still, might have been the best move.

The more I think of it the more I think this was the right move. What were the odds of converting on 4th down? 10% tops, maybe less? If they convert, 70% chance to win. So that's 7. Det probably had a 65% of winning with a first down. And then the other 35% chance generally they get a FG. Let's assign a 20% chance for TD after. So that's another 7. 14% total.

If they run out at the 9, let's say they have a 65% chance TD or 35% FG. The FG is the same as other scenario.

So the question is whether KC had a better chance of converting 4th and 25 and scoring or a better chance of scoring 8 with 1:40 and then winning in OT. That's got to be better than a 7% chance. I'd give them 30% chance TD and then 60% converting. So that's 18 and then favored in OT. About 10. 10> 7.

Running back out the at 9 was the way to go.

Yes, there are some other minor variables I ignored.

**agharah1** · 09-08-23, 09:51 AM

Considering Patrick Mahomes converted 4th and 15 with his legs the last time these two teams played 4th and 25 didn't seem so unreasonable, even if it meant drawing a PI.

**d2bets** · 09-08-23, 10:25 AM

Originally posted by agharah1

Considering Patrick Mahomes converted 4th and 15 with his legs the last time these two teams played 4th and 25 didn't seem so unreasonable, even if it meant drawing a PI.

I guess, although 4th and 25 is significantly tougher than 4th and 15.

The more I think of it, the more I see that punting was probably wrong. Because a 1st down ends it anyway.

I still think the unique go out at the 9 scenario was the highest probability.

**dollarbill** · 09-08-23, 10:58 AM

1st half was the Mahomes show he didn't show-up in 2nd half? Going to a fun weekend

**d2bets** · 09-08-23, 11:32 AM

Originally posted by dollarbill

1st half was the Mahomes show he didn't show-up in 2nd half? Going to a fun weekend

Mahomes was fine. His supporting cast was as bad as can be. Can anyone name a worse WR receiver room in the NFL? Marquez Valdez is their best WR? He'd be WR4 on most good teams.

**Eddy Munny** · 09-08-23, 12:16 PM

Originally posted by d2bets

Mahomes was fine. His supporting cast was as bad as can be. Can anyone name a worse WR receiver room in the NFL? Marquez Valdez is their best WR? He'd be WR4 on most good teams.

Maybe Rams without Kupp.

**DwightShrute** · 09-08-23, 01:26 PM

Chiefs WR Kadarius Toney deletes social media account ...
Yahoo Sports
https://sports.yahoo.com › chiefs-wr-kadarius-toney-d...
2 hours ago — Kansas City Chiefs wide receiver Kadarius Toney was a net negative in Thursday night's 21-20 loss to the Detroit Lions. On Friday morning ...

**johnnyvegas13** · 09-08-23, 01:33 PM

Originally posted by DwightShrute

Chiefs WR Kadarius Toney deletes social media account ...
Yahoo Sports
https://sports.yahoo.com › chiefs-wr-kadarius-toney-d...
2 hours ago — Kansas City Chiefs wide receiver Kadarius Toney was a net negative in Thursday night's 21-20 loss to the Detroit Lions. On Friday morning ...

Prob received death threats after all those drops