"Openers" are a problem for betting baseball.

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  • Bluehorseshoe
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 07-13-06
    • 15000

    #1
    "Openers" are a problem for betting baseball.
    I got my strikeout prop voided on Mengden because Oakland decided to use an "Opener" to start the game for the first inning. I understand why the "Must Start" rule is there.....but this shouldn't be used for it. He was still scheduled to pitch.
  • LT Profits
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 10-27-06
    • 90963

    #2
    I hear you. But in books eyes, there is no such thing as "scheduled to pitch", as after starter/opener, manager is not mandated to bring in guy that was "scheduled to pitch" if he changes his mind.
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    • pinnerpsk
      SBR MVP
      • 03-16-09
      • 1687

      #3
      Betonline has a big problem with these because they've been voiding all bets that feature an opener. Even though they use the verbiage "must pitch" instead of "must start"
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      • Bluehorseshoe
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 07-13-06
        • 15000

        #4
        Originally posted by LT Profits
        I hear you. But in books eyes, there is no such thing as "scheduled to pitch", as after starter/opener, manager is not mandated to bring in guy that was "scheduled to pitch" if he changes his mind.
        I wonder what they would do if a manager didn't state he was using a pitcher for one inning. There's nothing that says he has to. There are guys in the bullpen who can go 5.




        Originally posted by pinnerpsk
        Betonline has a big problem with these because they've been voiding all bets that feature an opener. Even though they use the verbiage "must pitch" instead of "must start"
        That's BS.
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        • LT Profits
          SBR Aristocracy
          • 10-27-06
          • 90963

          #5
          Originally posted by Bluehorseshoe
          I wonder what they would do if a manager didn't state he was using a pitcher for one inning. There's nothing that says he has to. There are guys in the bullpen who can go 5.
          Happened last week with Red Sox when Weber started what was supposed to be a Bullpen Day and he went 6 innings.
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          • Bluehorseshoe
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 07-13-06
            • 15000

            #6
            Here we go...


            OPENER MEANS ANY STARTING PITCHER FOR SEATTLE
            06/04

            10:10
            Houston Astros
            C Martin - R

            Seattle Mariners
            Opener
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            • TheMoneyShot
              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
              • 02-14-07
              • 28672

              #7
              Originally posted by Bluehorseshoe
              Here we go...


              OPENER MEANS ANY STARTING PITCHER FOR SEATTLE
              06/04

              10:10
              Houston Astros
              C Martin - R

              Seattle Mariners
              Opener
              This is the part of the MLB season that I hate... nothing really "scheduled".... just BS.

              Need to wait until game time... to know who's going to throw or not. Options limited.

              Out of the 4 major sports.... hate MLB #1
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              • Big Bear
                SBR Aristocracy
                • 11-01-11
                • 43253

                #8
                Great thread topic

                yeah I personally think this trend of “Openers” is bad for baseball and so is the shift

                just go back to playing normal baseball

                blame the Rays for destroying a great game
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                • Big Bear
                  SBR Aristocracy
                  • 11-01-11
                  • 43253

                  #9
                  Also sick of hearing about spin rate and launch angle
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                  • Bluehorseshoe
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 07-13-06
                    • 15000

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Big Bear
                    Great thread topic

                    yeah I personally think this trend of “Openers” is bad for baseball and so is the shift

                    just go back to playing normal baseball

                    blame the Rays for destroying a great game
                    Was it Tampa or Colorado that started it? I know the original idea was from a book back in 1964.
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                    • SmokingKing
                      SBR MVP
                      • 02-14-19
                      • 1234

                      #11
                      blame the Tampa Bay Rays for starting this trend last year. it was a novel idea but it worked for them.. almost had a shot at a wildcard . now other teams playing copycat
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                      • Stallion
                        SBR MVP
                        • 03-21-10
                        • 3617

                        #12
                        Dont list pitchers, action instead.
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                        • newton0038
                          SBR MVP
                          • 03-07-07
                          • 2389

                          #13
                          Baseball wears fans out. aAt least some scoring lately but these 2-0 games that go to the 15th inning are just agonizing. Game is watered down with too many teams and the odd player with half billion dollar contracts make the average joe hate the game out of spite.
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                          • cankid
                            SBR Hall of Famer
                            • 08-22-08
                            • 7224

                            #14
                            Originally posted by pinnerpsk
                            Betonline has a big problem with these because they've been voiding all bets that feature an opener. Even though they use the verbiage "must pitch" instead of "must start"
                            Thats a problem if they are not using the proper terminology
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                            • theflyingbuffalo
                              SBR Rookie
                              • 03-03-18
                              • 41

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Bluehorseshoe
                              Here we go...


                              OPENER MEANS ANY STARTING PITCHER FOR SEATTLE
                              06/04

                              10:10
                              Houston Astros
                              C Martin - R

                              Seattle Mariners
                              Opener
                              This needs to be done more often. This is more of a problem this year with some teams not announcing the opener until the day of. I've had bets from the day before voided because the books think the regular starter is pitching and then the opener gets announced.

                              Last year when Tampa started doing this they seemed to always know it was going to be an opener. Teams either need to be held to that standard or the books need to adapt.
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                              • kingdom
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 07-25-10
                                • 10099

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Big Bear
                                Great thread topic

                                yeah I personally think this trend of “Openers” is bad for baseball and so is the shift

                                just go back to playing normal baseball

                                blame the Rays for destroying a great game
                                yeah. get rid of the shift. the league wants offense. make it an illegal defense. still surprised so many pros can't take advantage and slap the ball
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                                • pavyracer
                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                  • 04-12-07
                                  • 82839

                                  #17
                                  No need to list starting pitchers. Teams should be allowed to start whoever they want without advanced notice. A soccer coach doesn't announce the lineup the day before. You don't need to give the opposing manager time to adjust his squad.
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                                  • icon
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 01-09-18
                                    • 3460

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by pavyracer
                                    No need to list starting pitchers. Teams should be allowed to start whoever they want without advanced notice. A soccer coach doesn't announce the lineup the day before. You don't need to give the opposing manager time to adjust his squad.
                                    Yes and books should offer +200 on both sides in MLB.

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                                    • allabout the $$$
                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                      • 04-17-10
                                      • 9843

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Stallion
                                      Dont list pitchers, action instead.
                                      not good for props and totals
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                                      • daneblazer
                                        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                        • 09-14-08
                                        • 27861

                                        #20
                                        I laughed at this for a little while, but now you have teams throwing openers for the starters at the last minute. Bets being voided is a problem. Sites should have a clear policy.
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                                        • pavyracer
                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                          • 04-12-07
                                          • 82839

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by icon
                                          Yes and books should offer +200 on both sides in MLB.

                                          Lineup needs to be announced 1 hour before first pitch. No need to announce it the day before. Bets can be placed when lineup is announced. What's is the benefit of betting the night before?
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