Trump Tax Plan

[guitarjosh]

Sounds like a race to the bottom.

They're not racing to the bottom in Mexico or China, their workers have seen huge increases in their pay since they've been practicing supply side more that USA has.

[rkelly110]

I'm against all corporate welfare. I would like to see corporate welfare ended and the corporate tax go to 0%. All it does is transfer money from profitable companies to their less profitable competition. You expect me to believe you never found ways to cut costs when you were building those businesses? Even if it meant relocating?

Yeah, the dems front runners were people that were running on a platform of free stuff.
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Companies leave because of costs being too high. Taxes, wages, and benefits are all costs. It is possible for a country (USA) to have higher wages and benefits than another (N. Korea), but not go to that country due to higher taxes (100%) and 0 property rights.

Moving overseas has costs, shipping around the world has costs, American workers are much more productive than Chinese workers.

It's funny, in Connecticut they decided to make the rich pay their fair share, hiked their taxes twice since 2011, and they've seen deficits blow up as the wealthy simply moved to a lower tax state. That is the idea we all agree with, people will put money is places where they will get more of it.

http://wtnh.com/2017/04/28/income-tax-revenue-collapses-malloy-says-taxing-the-rich-doesnt-work/

My boy was Gary Johnson.

'What's Aleppo?'

Ok, now I get where you were getting the free stuff from, but I'm sure the conservatives in that bunch wanted
free tuition also which we all know isn't free.

Look, we can go at this forever. It never lasts long enough until a new recession comes along then we are right
back where we started. Corps dump their work force onto the govt, wait a few months then pick the best at
reduced wages. We are way overdue for a recession so be prepared. Save like hell and pay shit off.

[chico2663]

'What's Aleppo?'

Ok, now I get where you were getting the free stuff from, but I'm sure the conservatives in that bunch wanted
free tuition also which we all know isn't free.

Look, we can go at this forever. It never lasts long enough until a new recession comes along then we are right
back where we started. Corps dump their work force onto the govt, wait a few months then pick the best at
reduced wages. We are way overdue for a recession so be prepared. Save like hell and pay shit off.

What this group doesn't understand. Is that most people on some sort of govt dole is because their employer insert walmart, kroger or costco pay their employees shit. So they are on some sort of reduced rent or food stamp program. These same people voted for trump because some how by virtue of their voting for them than they became a WINNER. I know at least 3 white guys that live in subsidized housing with the hogs they knocked up. They won't marry the girl because they would lose their benefits. But somehow it is our fault they are working in a printing press company. IT IS SAD.

[rkelly110]

What this group doesn't understand. Is that most people on some sort of govt dole is because their employer insert walmart, kroger or costco pay their employees shit. So they are on some sort of reduced rent or food stamp program. These same people voted for trump because some how by virtue of their voting for them than they became a WINNER. I know at least 3 white guys that live in subsidized housing with the hogs they knocked up. They won't marry the girl because they would lose their benefits. But somehow it is our fault they are working in a printing press company. IT IS SAD.

That's it in a nutshell. Everyone wants to be a winner. They will dump their losing team to jump on the winning
team and back again when their old team is winning. I call them bandwagoners. EVERYONE is a loser at sometime
just look at our forum. Losing keeps you humble. (except for someone who has mental issues like their president)

[Snowball]

If there is a long-term future for humanity, these days will be looked back on
as the dark ages of enslavement to money for money's sake.

I don't care if you've got a Ph.D. in Economics, you can't change the fact
that God gave us this one and only world - and its produce does not come
with price tags attached. Deep in the heart of the black man and the lingering
subconscious of most Whites there is an ancestral memory of a life when time
went by slowly, the Earth could breathe and war did not mean nuclear annihilation.

If we only put 100% of our efforts into a higher purpose than "making money",
we could have free energy and more purposeful lives, eventually traversing the
wonderful universe which God gave us as a challenge.

Alas, the wrong people took over, and have created the illusion that we can't
stop their monsters from devouring us.

[guitarjosh]

'What's Aleppo?'

Ok, now I get where you were getting the free stuff from, but I'm sure the conservatives in that bunch wanted
free tuition also which we all know isn't free.

Look, we can go at this forever. It never lasts long enough until a new recession comes along then we are right
back where we started. Corps dump their work force onto the govt, wait a few months then pick the best at
reduced wages. We are way overdue for a recession so be prepared. Save like hell and pay shit off.

You probably won't bomb something if you don't know it exists.

Get a sense of proportion. Much more liberals want this than people on the right.

Wages can go up over time even with recessions if you have a strong economy.

What this group doesn't understand. Is that most people on some sort of govt dole is because their employer insert walmart, kroger or costco pay their employees shit. So they are on some sort of reduced rent or food stamp program.

The reason those companies pay so low is the labor isn't worth that much. If we taught people useful skills in K-12 as opposed to blowoff classes we have now, they could get higher paying jobs right out of high school.

[No coincidences]

If there is a long-term future for humanity, these days will be looked back on
as the dark ages of enslavement to money for money's sake.

I don't care if you've got a Ph.D. in Economics, you can't change the fact
that God gave us this one and only world - and its produce does not come
with price tags attached. Deep in the heart of the black man and the lingering
subconscious of most Whites there is an ancestral memory of a life when time
went by slowly, the Earth could breathe and war did not mean nuclear annihilation.

If we only put 100% of our efforts into a higher purpose than "making money",
we could have free energy and more purposeful lives, eventually traversing the
wonderful universe which God gave us as a challenge.

Alas, the wrong people took over, and have created the illusion that we can't
stop their monsters from devouring us.

Great post, Snow.

And now you're going to get buried by the selfish degenerates who literally don't give a f\*\*k about anyone else but themselves - i.e., the vast majority of the board.

[chico2663]

You probably won't bomb something if you don't know it exists.

Get a sense of proportion. Much more liberals want this than people on the right.

Wages can go up over time even with recessions if you have a strong economy.



The reason those companies pay so low is the labor isn't worth that much. If we taught people useful skills in K-12 as opposed to blowoff classes we have now, they could get higher paying jobs right out of high school.

those factory jobs went out under w

[guitarjosh]

those factory jobs went out under w

Some did, some went out before W. They would come back if we lowered costs of business here. Teaching stuff like HVACR repair, welding, plumbing, boilermaking, etc in schools instead of PE and Shakespeare will get people better paying jobs thank McDonald's or Walmart.

[Roscoe_Word]

Some did, some went out before W. They would come back if we lowered costs of business here. Teaching stuff like HVACR repair, welding, plumbing, boilermaking, etc in schools instead of PE and Shakespeare will get people better paying jobs thank McDonald's or Walmart.

Plumbers + electricians = big paying jobs

[No coincidences]

those factory jobs went out under w

And aren't coming back. In fact, with technology, they will continue to disappear.

That didn't stop Trump from suckering stupid, desperate, gullible, disenfranchised Americans into believing there would be some sort of blue-collar resurrection if he were elected President. LMFAO.

[No coincidences]

Some did, some went out before W. They would come back if we lowered costs of business here. Teaching stuff like HVACR repair, welding, plumbing, boilermaking, etc in schools instead of PE and Shakespeare will get people better paying jobs thank McDonald's or Walmart.

The mindless factory jobs where the middle class could live on handsome wages for doing something a robot or third-world immigrant can do now are never coming back. They're gone. Trump tricked a bunch of simpletons into believing otherwise.

[guitarjosh]

The mindless factory jobs where the middle class could live on handsome wages for doing something a robot or third-world immigrant can do now are never coming back. They're gone. Trump tricked a bunch of simpletons into believing otherwise.

They could come back if we lowered overall costs so they're lower than in a 3rd world country. You are right about automation, that has been going on for years, and could be fixed if we taught useful stuff in the K-12 years.

[BarstoolProphet]

GJ,,Even with all the Trillions of dollars off shore and the incentive of 10c on the $. If and its a big if, that money ever makes its way back into the states. It will go towards NEW factories completely automated with little to zero human element. (janitor)

It is exactly what I would do if I were in charge making those decisions.

You should read my Universial Income post. I touch on this in detail.

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/politics-economics/3131459-donald-trumps-us-president-odds-improving-p825.html#post26939248

[bigtymer56]

GJ,,Even with all the Trillions of dollars off shore and the incentive of 10c on the $. If and its a big if, that money ever makes its way back into the states. It will go towards NEW factories completely automated with little to zero human element. (janitor)

It is exactly what I would do if I were in charge making those decisions.

You should read my Universial Income post. I touch on this in detail.

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/for...l#post26939248

Nah,your idea would never fly. This is the land of motherfuckers who hurt themselves to stop other "less deserving" people from getting ahead.

[guitarjosh]

GJ,,Even with all the Trillions of dollars off shore and the incentive of 10c on the $. If and its a big if, that money ever makes its way back into the states. It will go towards NEW factories completely automated with little to zero human element. (janitor)

It is exactly what I would do if I were in charge making those decisions.

You should read my Universial Income post. I touch on this in detail.

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/for...l#post26939248

If factories built in America would be automated, the would be automated in other countries too. Before you tell me about how cheap foreign labor is to domestic, keep in mind domestic labor is much more productive than foreign labor.

[BarstoolProphet]

They are becoming automated around the world . Read up on the iphone factory in china.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/30/iphone-factory-observer-why-trump-cant-bring-manufacturing-jobs-back.html

And no they might not upgrade evrywhere. They simply will not do that here. Like I said, if I were in charge here. I would not put one dollar into any upgrades unless it was automated.

As for your last statement,,not so sure about that one. At least in the "me" now world we live in. Try and get a kid to do any manual labor in todays world. Good Luck

[BarstoolProphet]

Nah,your idea would never fly. This is the land of motherfuckers who hurt themselves to stop other "less deserving" people from getting ahead.

Maybe you are right. I am just a utopian type thinker.

[rkelly110]

You probably won't bomb something if you don't know it exists.

Get a sense of proportion. Much more liberals want this than people on the right.

Wages can go up over time even with recessions if you have a strong economy.



The reason those companies pay so low is the labor isn't worth that much. If we taught people useful skills in K-12 as opposed to blowoff classes we have now, they could get higher paying jobs right out of high school.

Here's a story you might appreciate.

I started out of high school working for a printing company making $1.65 an hour. 15 years later after moving up
the ladder I was making $12.09. Those were the good old days of getting raises as the cost of living went up.

When that company closed, I went to another printing company making $9. It took 20 years to get to $15.

What took so long to get to $15 was companies came up with industry hourly pricing standards which we have
today. While wages have been stagnant, the cost of living has skyrocketed. Minimum wage, keeping up with
inflation, should be over $25. Here we are stuck at $7.25. How do you defend that?

[PAULYPOKER]

And aren't coming back. In fact, with technology, they will continue to disappear.

That didn't stop Trump from suckering stupid, desperate, gullible, disenfranchised Americans into believing there would be some sort of blue-collar resurrection if he were elected President. LMFAO.

The more technology the less human labor needed
The less human labor the more depopulation is needed

The funny thing about this is all these tech gurus
are signing their death warrants in due time..

Quality of Human life is nothing to the Elite..In fact they despise it....

The more human suffering the more they can enjoy their kingdoms...

[No coincidences]

Here's a story you might appreciate.

I started out of high school working for a printing company making $1.65 an hour. 15 years later after moving up
the ladder I was making $12.09. Those were the good old days of getting raises as the cost of living went up.

When that company closed, I went to another printing company making $9. It took 20 years to get to $15.

What took so long to get to $15 was companies came up with industry hourly pricing standards which we have
today. While wages have been stagnant, the cost of living has skyrocketed. Minimum wage, keeping up with
inflation, should be over $25. Here we are stuck at $7.25. How do you defend that?

And it's not just people making minimum wage. Wages are stagnant everywhere from the lower class all the way through middle and even upper-middle, yet cost of living continues to increase (as it always does). Meanwhile, you're lucky to get a raise that covers a significant % of yearly inflation, let alone any sort of performance bump.

[No coincidences]

The more technology the less human labor needed
The less human labor the more depopulation is needed

The funny thing about this is all these tech gurus
are signing their death warrants in due time..

Quality of Human life is nothing to the Elite..In fact they despise it....

The more human suffering the more they can enjoy their kingdoms...

Agree. They don't give two fvcks about the average person. Which is why the idiot lower and middle classers who kissed Trump's ring on Election Day (the vast majority of this board) should be embarrassed for being so gullible. They committed suicide by voting for him.

[guitarjosh]

They are becoming automated around the world . Read up on the iphone factory in china.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/30/iphone-factory-observer-why-trump-cant-bring-manufacturing-jobs-back.html

And no they might not upgrade evrywhere. They simply will not do that here. Like I said, if I were in charge here. I would not put one dollar into any upgrades unless it was automated.

As for your last statement,,not so sure about that one. At least in the "me" now world we live in. Try and get a kid to do any manual labor in todays world. Good Luck

They will automate if it's cost effective. The thing is that automation costs a lot and might not pay off for years. Kids will do manual labor if the price is high enough, and if we taught them to build and program robots in high school rather than wasting time the way we do now, they could get those jobs.

Here's a story you might appreciate.

I started out of high school working for a printing company making $1.65 an hour. 15 years later after moving up
the ladder I was making $12.09. Those were the good old days of getting raises as the cost of living went up.

When that company closed, I went to another printing company making $9. It took 20 years to get to $15.

What took so long to get to $15 was companies came up with industry hourly pricing standards which we have
today. While wages have been stagnant, the cost of living has skyrocketed. Minimum wage, keeping up with
inflation, should be over $25. Here we are stuck at $7.25. How do you defend that?

Actually according to Pew research, minimum wage when adjusted for inflation was $3.51 an hour.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/01/04/5-facts-about-the-minimum-wage/

[PAULYPOKER]

Agree. They don't give two fvcks about the average person. Which is why the idiot lower and middle classers who kissed Trump's ring on Election Day (the vast majority of this board) should be embarrassed for being so gullible. They committed suicide by voting for him.

90% of America is in this class..

funny thing here is there are a lot of delusional posters here..

All of them fit in this 90% but yet somehow believe they are gonna be rich or think they already are...

The fact is if anyone is working for someone or have a business but still have to pay 30% in overall taxes..
They are all SLAVES period.......

[PAULYPOKER]

One more thing here......

Doctors are now severely underpaid since big insurance has found a way to make them employees.
Making it nearly impossible for a doctor in today's day in age to be independent..
If they are, they are struggling just to keep the doors open...

[RoyBacon]

You liberal simpletons are simply defeatist. "oh the jobs will never cone back". They indeed will when we level the playing field.

Like Obama said what can we do, the jobs are leaving? At least Trump has the backs of working folks.

Those on the left should at least acknowledge they see no vision for jobs and the working middle class. Give Trump a chance he is winning at cutting regulation and soon taxes.

[No coincidences]

90% of America is in this class..

funny thing here is there are a lot of delusional posters here..

All of them fit in this 90% but yet somehow believe they are gonna be rich or think they already are...

The fact is if anyone is working for someone or have a business but still have to pay 30% in overall taxes..
They are all SLAVES period.......

They're too stupid to even be trusted to vote on a regular basis, really (and most of them don't). Borderline destructive. They're a bunch of has-beens and never-will-bes. Not just the disenfranchised, but the disappearing.

And yet, goddammit, they went to the polls in November and backed Trump. Because MAGA.

Jesus.

[No coincidences]

You liberal simpletons are simply defeatist. "oh the jobs will never cone back". They indeed will when we level the playing field.

Like Obama said what can we do, the jobs are leaving? At least Trump has the backs of working folks.

Those on the left should at least acknowledge they see no vision for jobs and the working middle class. Give Trump a chance he is winning at cutting regulation and soon taxes.

Good god.

I mean, seriously dude. Get a fvcking clue.

[chico2663]

They will automate if it's cost effective. The thing is that automation costs a lot and might not pay off for years. Kids will do manual labor if the price is high enough, and if we taught them to build and program robots in high school rather than wasting time the way we do now, they could get those jobs.


Actually according to Pew research, minimum wage when adjusted for inflation was $3.51 an hour.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...-minimum-wage/

Young man you were born 30 years too late. Under reagan most of the ruling society moved to europe. Him, bushes,clinton decided we are going to be a mule society or worker bees. Read about nixon and his new world order.

[ByeShea]

They're too stupid to even be trusted to vote on a regular basis, really (and most of them don't). Borderline destructive. They're a bunch of has-beens and never-will-bes. Not just the disenfranchised, but the disappearing.

And yet, goddammit, they went to the polls in November and backed Trump. Because MAGA.

Jesus.

You are a salt mine.

Meanwhile Trump is doing victory laps for repealing the Obamacare disaster, and oh yes, out this morning: JOBS. Better than forecast.

[chico2663]

In the trump care plan your employer is no longer responsible for your health care. Here's hoping that everyone has a great employed. Unlike the pukes I had. Also they are lying because if you go one employer to another there is a year waiting period for a pre existing condition. Can tell you from experience and being diabetic.

[rkelly110]

You are a salt mine.

Meanwhile Trump is doing victory laps for repealing the Obamacare disaster, and oh yes, out this morning: JOBS. Better than forecast.

Victory laps. By one vote. Jobs. Thanks Obama for the handoff.

[brooks85]

lol I pity you josh, I've been sucking down the most ridiculously juicy oranges in florida and you're trying to educate these idiots who don't have a penetrating clue about global economics. I go away for a few days and the idiots start getting extra chatty... lol

[chico2663]

Victory laps. By one vote. Jobs. Thanks Obama for the handoff.

Did the closet dweeb say anything lately ? Haven't seen you phrasing the brooktard lately. Maybe he is serving time for his unruly behavior

[brooks85]

lol notice how the confirmed idiot, chico, ask for another idiot's hand. Birds of a feather.