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  • chico2663
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    #351
    lol ask bobby jindal if it works. Ask sam brownback sp if it works. Ask arnold if it works. When you can py someone five dollars a day w/o benefits how we are going to compete
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    • guitarjosh
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      #352
      Originally posted by chico2663
      lol ask bobby jindal if it works. Ask sam brownback sp if it works. Ask arnold if it works. When you can py someone five dollars a day w/o benefits how we are going to compete
      Ask Mexico if it works. Ask China if it works. Ask the economists at the St. Louis Fed if it works:

      We find that states with greater economic freedom – defined as the protection of private property and private markets operating with minimal government interference – experienced greater rates of employment growth. In addition, we find that less restrictive state and national government labor market policies have the greatest impact on employment growth in U.S. states.

      Further results suggest that labor market freedom and a smaller state government, which are two components of overall economic freedom, are important determinants of employment growth across U.S. states, with the former factor the more important”


      Yes Mexican workers are paid about 1/4 of our workers, but our workers are about 300% as productive. Raising Mexican wages 40%, not the 100%+ that the $15 an hour people want here, would mean our workers have a better value than Mexican workers.
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      • darrell74
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        • 04-16-07
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        #353
        Originally posted by DwightShrute


        Crowder's wife is pretty hot

        Very true-wife is a hotty

        I watched that video and heard what Warren said and I can't believe how much she has lost her mind in the last couple of years.

        Reagan had a bad economy?
        really?

        she seems to keep saying the dumbest shit, it's embarassing
        Even Maher had to remind her of 'Pocahontas'
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        • chico2663
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          #354
          [QUOTE=guitarjosh;26940001]Ask Mexico if it works. Ask China if it works. Ask the economists at the St. Louis Fed if it works:







          I can tell you don't understand economics. china has to artificially buy their own products so they don't implode. Mexico wtf . I 'm mexican and that is one of the most corrupt countries in the world. Josh lay off the drugs and get an education.
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          • chico2663
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            #355
            Originally posted by darrell74
            Very true-wife is a hotty

            I watched that video and heard what Warren said and I can't believe how much she has lost her mind in the last couple of years.

            Reagan had a bad economy?
            really?

            she seems to keep saying the dumbest shit, it's embarassing
            Even Maher had to remind her of 'Pocahontas'
            darrell if it wasn't for social security surplus paying for all the govt spending in the economy. In his autobiography Ron Reagan couldn't understand why trickle down economics. To put it in 5th grade language for you. If you bring in 1500 thru work but you spend 2000 a month. You better have a big bank account to keep living.While johnson brought s.s. into the budget. Reagan raised it to 12.5 from 2.8 %. Also he started taxing s.s. If you take out the s.s. money brought in reagans budget went at a deficit.
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            • rkelly110
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              #356
              Originally posted by guitarjosh
              Everyone, including yourself, agrees it does. We all agree that the reason businesses are relocating to Mexico and China is due to the lower costs make it easier for those businesses to turn a profit. All supply side says is let's undercut them by eliminating tax and regulatory costs, which makes it easier to make a profit here, and those jobs come back. It's not that supply side doesn't work, it's that liberals don't want jobs, they want free stuff.
              Really Josh? What, are only conservatives working? Give us all a break with your bullshit.
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              • rkelly110
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                #357
                Here we go. Repubs are already sticking the working man in the back. House bill wants employers to give time
                off in exchange for overtime pay.

                Anyone who voluntarily works overtime isn't for the days off, it's for money! Dumb fuks!
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                • chico2663
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                  #358
                  Originally posted by rkelly110
                  Here we go. Repubs are already sticking the working man in the back. House bill wants employers to give time
                  off in exchange for overtime pay.

                  Anyone who voluntarily works overtime isn't for the days off, it's for money! Dumb fuks!
                  It is a shame that our youth are so freaking stupid.
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                  • rkelly110
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                    #359
                    Originally posted by chico2663
                    It is a shame that our youth are so freaking stupid.
                    Throw in old people too.
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                    • Rollins08
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                      • 04-20-07
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                      #360
                      I've worked for a huge investment management company for 15 years and while Trump helps us as a business I'll tell you the truth - helping rich people hurts the economy. Yes helping small businesses is huge and it important to keep their taxes low but rich individuals never really pay taxes anyway. They open shell accounts at the end of years and move money around to avoid taxes. And their investment are a lot of times in emerging markets or china, that doesn't help the US. Poor people spend every dollar they earn in the US. Helps the economy tremendously. It's bad for them because they never save but still it stimulates businesses. Now people hate giving poor people handouts, so what is the alternative? Find the ones abusing the system? How do you do that? You would have to hire more workers to check in on individual cases and to pay them raise taxes. Trump is like every other idiot I see. He gives easy answers with no specifics on how to fix problems.
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                      • RoyBacon
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                        #361
                        Originally posted by guitarjosh
                        Everyone, including yourself, agrees it does. We all agree that the reason businesses are relocating to Mexico and China is due to the lower costs make it easier for those businesses to turn a profit. All supply side says is let's undercut them by eliminating tax and regulatory costs, which makes it easier to make a profit here, and those jobs come back. It's not that supply side doesn't work, it's that liberals don't want jobs, they want free stuff.
                        That's a great post.

                        What todays libs do not realize is large tax cuts was originally the idea of the greatest democrat of all; John F Kennedy. Reagan's tax cut that led to the greatest economic expansion in US history came from Kennedy.

                        But todays libs like kelly and chico are no where close to guys like John F Kennedy. Kennedy and later Reagan knew massive tax cuts would lead to great economic expansion, and did. Great economic growth benefits everyone especially the unemployed and under employed. Libs today do not care about the under employed. They are a nuisance and deplorable and that's one reason they keep losing.
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                        • guitarjosh
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                          #362
                          [quote=chico2663;26940184]
                          Originally posted by guitarjosh
                          Ask Mexico if it works. Ask China if it works. Ask the economists at the St. Louis Fed if it works:







                          I can tell you don't understand economics. china has to artificially buy their own products so they don't implode. Mexico wtf . I 'm mexican and that is one of the most corrupt countries in the world. Josh lay off the drugs and get an education.
                          I understand it fine, it's you that doesn't get it. Every country buys some of their own products. At the end of the day, business is leaving America due to it being too expensive to make a profit compared to other countries. All supply side will do is lower costs here and allow us to undercut other countries.
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                          • guitarjosh
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                            #363
                            Originally posted by rkelly110
                            Really Josh? What, are only conservatives working? Give us all a break with your bullshit.
                            I never said only conservatives are working, but when it comes to wanting free stuff like health care and college tuition, it's liberals that are demanding that stuff. Lowering taxes and cutting spending will make it harder for liberals to get what they want, which is free stuff.
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                            • DwightShrute
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                              #364
                              Originally posted by guitarjosh
                              I never said only conservatives are working, but when it comes to wanting free stuff like health care and college tuition, it's liberals that are demanding that stuff. Lowering taxes and cutting spending will make it harder for liberals to get what they want, which is free stuff.
                              far left or far right people seem to the be most unreasonable and selectively take things literally depending on whether it suites their committed life-long political narrative or not. Not mentioning any names of course.

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                              • rkelly110
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                                #365
                                Originally posted by guitarjosh
                                I never said only conservatives are working, but when it comes to wanting free stuff like health care and college tuition, it's liberals that are demanding that stuff. Lowering taxes and cutting spending will make it harder for liberals to get what they want, which is free stuff.
                                You know they all are liberals? How?

                                I know more 'conservatives' who buck the system than liberals. How about you?

                                Who doesn't like free stuff? Rich or poor? I like free stuff, you?
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                                • Snowball
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                                  #366
                                  GOP only wants to save money by cutting things that help people.

                                  When it comes to destroying the environment and dropping bombs,
                                  they suddenly have no spending or income concerns.

                                  I don't vote Democrat either, because they don't fix anything
                                  and keep the bad system going, and push obscene agendas.

                                  They both suck and are embarassing to any normal person capable
                                  of intelligent thought.
                                  Last edited by Snowball; 05-03-17, 01:52 PM.
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                                  • guitarjosh
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                                    #367
                                    Originally posted by rkelly110
                                    You know they all are liberals? How?

                                    I know more 'conservatives' who buck the system than liberals. How about you?

                                    Who doesn't like free stuff? Rich or poor? I like free stuff, you?
                                    Are you saying the majority of people that want the government to provide them with more services aren't liberal?

                                    It's not free if it causes your job to move to Mexico.
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                                    • guitarjosh
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                                      #368
                                      Originally posted by Snowball
                                      GOP only wants to save money by cutting things that help people.

                                      When it comes to destroying the environment and dropping bombs,
                                      they suddenly have no spending or income concerns.
                                      The GOP certainly does want to spend way too much on defense and wars, unfortunately the democrats aren't much better on that front.
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                                      • Snowball
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                                        #369
                                        Originally posted by guitarjosh
                                        The GOP certainly does want to spend way too much on defense and wars, unfortunately the democrats aren't much better on that front.
                                        I don't vote Democrat either, because they don't fix anything
                                        and keep the bad system going, and push obscene agendas.

                                        They both suck and are embarassing to any normal person capable
                                        of intelligent thought.
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                                        • DwightShrute
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                                          #370
                                          Originally posted by Snowball
                                          GOP only wants to save money by cutting things that help people.

                                          When it comes to destroying the environment and dropping bombs,
                                          they suddenly have no spending or income concerns.

                                          I don't vote Democrat either, because they don't fix anything
                                          and keep the bad system going, and push obscene agendas.

                                          They both suck and are embarassing to any normal person capable
                                          of intelligent thought.
                                          who told you this?
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                                          • BarstoolProphet
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                                            #371
                                            ^ idk maybe

                                            empirical evidence.
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                                            • Snowball
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                                              #372
                                              Originally posted by DwightShrute
                                              who told you this?
                                              US Dropping Bombs Quicker Than They Can Be Replaced
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                                              Trump touts call for increased military spending during ship visit
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                                              The Pentagon's Planet of Bases
                                              America’s Global Military Bases Actually Undermine National Security. Here’s How.

                                              Trump reverses Obama rule and orders Atlantic and Arctic waters opened for oil drilling

                                              Is The Arctic Ocean Awash With Economic Hope Or Ecological Risks?
                                              Trump’s plan to dismantle national monuments comes with steep cultural and ecological costs
                                              Trump to Launch Unprecedented Attack on National Monuments
                                              Trump clears way for controversial oil pipelines
                                              Trump
                                              ’s Environmental Policies Are a Disaster for U.S. Foreign Policy
                                              Trump’s Border Wall ‘Catastrophic’ for Environment, Endangered Species: Activists
                                              Texas Residents Brace For Border Wall Eminent Domain Battles
                                              Potential pitfalls of building Trump’s Great Wall of eminent domain
                                              Trump executive order will dismantle Obama environmental regulations
                                              America-First Offshore Energy Executive Order Leaves Our Oceans and Wildlife Behind
                                              Trump will face seawall of opposition in California over his drilling order
                                              House urges EPA to rescind veto on Alaskan mine, despite local opposition
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                                              $10 Trillion Missing From Pentagon And No One — Not Even The DoD — Knows Where It Is
                                              UPDATED: Trump’s pick for Interior Secretary wants to sell off public lands
                                              100 Days of Horror
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                                              • RoyBacon
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                                                #373
                                                I seem to remember Obama drop bombs daily. Was there a point?

                                                The governments number 1 job is to protect us. We didn't even have an income tax or free giveaway programs for the first 150 years. They could do away with all the giveaways and just worry about defense, like what made us a great country to begin with.

                                                The US now has multiple generations of families that have never worked. Not a single family member, ever. Redistribution is the cause. The government should do what it can to make the country as a whole more prosperous instead of taking from those who work and giving it to those who just game the system.
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                                                • DwightShrute
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                                                  • 01-17-09
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                                                  #374
                                                  Originally posted by Snowball
                                                  US Dropping Bombs Quicker Than They Can Be Replaced
                                                  Should the US Spend $1 Trillion on Nuclear Weapons?
                                                  Nuke Miniaturization Threat Emerges Conveniently As Pentagon Seeks $1 Trillion
                                                  Trump touts call for increased military spending during ship visit
                                                  Russia is limiting nukes while NATO & US seek military expansion
                                                  The Pentagon's Planet of Bases
                                                  America’s Global Military Bases Actually Undermine National Security. Here’s How.

                                                  Trump reverses Obama rule and orders Atlantic and Arctic waters opened for oil drilling

                                                  Is The Arctic Ocean Awash With Economic Hope Or Ecological Risks?
                                                  Trump’s plan to dismantle national monuments comes with steep cultural and ecological costs
                                                  Trump to Launch Unprecedented Attack on National Monuments
                                                  Trump clears way for controversial oil pipelines
                                                  Trump
                                                  ’s Environmental Policies Are a Disaster for U.S. Foreign Policy
                                                  Trump’s Border Wall ‘Catastrophic’ for Environment, Endangered Species: Activists
                                                  Texas Residents Brace For Border Wall Eminent Domain Battles
                                                  Potential pitfalls of building Trump’s Great Wall of eminent domain
                                                  Trump executive order will dismantle Obama environmental regulations
                                                  America-First Offshore Energy Executive Order Leaves Our Oceans and Wildlife Behind
                                                  Trump will face seawall of opposition in California over his drilling order
                                                  House urges EPA to rescind veto on Alaskan mine, despite local opposition
                                                  Trump's Policies Show How Racial Division Benefits the Rich
                                                  $10 Trillion Missing From Pentagon And No One — Not Even The DoD — Knows Where It Is
                                                  UPDATED: Trump’s pick for Interior Secretary wants to sell off public lands
                                                  100 Days of Horror
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                                                  • chico2663
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                                                    #375
                                                    Originally posted by guitarjosh
                                                    I never said only conservatives are working, but when it comes to wanting free stuff like health care and college tuition, it's liberals that are demanding that stuff. Lowering taxes and cutting spending will make it harder for liberals to get what they want, which is free stuff.
                                                    josh what do you do for a living? We spend more money on corporate welfare than we even think of giving to the poor. I was a partner in a business that was billing 3 million now it is up to 5 million. I built 3 agencies up to 15 million a year, In other words I have real world experience. Not like you boy bacon who works at the local factory. Not like brooks who thinks as a business owner that you can get workers comp insurance in 24 hrs.
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                                                    • Snowball
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                                                      #376
                                                      Originally posted by RoyBacon
                                                      those who just game the system.


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                                                      • Roscoe_Word
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                                                        #377
                                                        I appreciate both sides of this one. (my 2 cents lol)

                                                        I understand Crony Capitalism. I think GE even escaped without paying any taxes a couple of years ago.

                                                        However, something about ERD cards (I think that's what they're called in some states) ending up at casinos, liquor stores and strip joints rubs me the wrong way.

                                                        A safety net for those who deserve it is, IMHO, not an unworthy cause. Only thing is, IMO, those who deserve it are about 5% of those who get it.
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                                                        • rkelly110
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                                                          #378
                                                          Originally posted by guitarjosh
                                                          Are you saying the majority of people that want the government to provide them with more services aren't liberal?

                                                          It's not free if it causes your job to move to Mexico.
                                                          IDK, do you know?

                                                          How many conservatives do you know who are gaming the system?

                                                          You know as well as I, companies don't leave because taxes are high, it's wages and benefits.
                                                          Our sec of labor thinks the min wage is too high, as you do.

                                                          Why not move overseas and pay a fraction of the labor costs, bring in your goods with no duty and quadruple
                                                          your profits? Just have a little 350 sq ft office here and reap the profits.

                                                          I hope your boy puts a stop to that, but I doubt it, because he's one of them. Fox watching the hen house.
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                                                          • Snowball
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                                                            #379
                                                            "The “nation-state" as a fundamental unit of man’s organized life has ceased to be the principal creative force: International banks and multinational corporations are acting and planning in terms that are far in advance of the political concepts of the nation-state.” ~ Zbigniew Brzezinski, Between Two Ages, 1970
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                                                            • khicks26
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                                                              #380
                                                              Originally posted by guitarjosh
                                                              Everyone, including yourself, agrees it does. We all agree that the reason businesses are relocating to Mexico and China is due to the lower costs make it easier for those businesses to turn a profit. All supply side says is let's undercut them by eliminating tax and regulatory costs, which makes it easier to make a profit here, and those jobs come back. It's not that supply side doesn't work, it's that liberals don't want jobs, they want free stuff.
                                                              Sounds like a race to the bottom.
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                                                              • BarstoolProphet
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                                                                #381







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                                                                • Thor4140
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                                                                  #382
                                                                  All this talk about the poor killing us yet it is the trump red states that kill the country and of course the most poor and the most handouts. Oh and the most uneducated and i am not talking about college I'm talking about being politically smart which means a guy with a PHD still could be politically retarded.
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                                                                  • DwightShrute
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                                                                    #383
                                                                    Originally posted by BarstoolProphet








                                                                    WINNING!
                                                                    your cranial cat scan?
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                                                                    • chico2663
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                                                                      #384
                                                                      dwight do you say maggies the best dog as it is licking the peanut butter off your rooster?
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                                                                      • guitarjosh
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                                                                        • 12-25-07
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                                                                        #385
                                                                        Originally posted by chico2663

                                                                        josh what do you do for a living? We spend more money on corporate welfare than we even think of giving to the poor. I was a partner in a business that was billing 3 million now it is up to 5 million. I built 3 agencies up to 15 million a year, In other words I have real world experience. Not like you boy bacon who works at the local factory. Not like brooks who thinks as a business owner that you can get workers comp insurance in 24 hrs.
                                                                        I'm against all corporate welfare. I would like to see corporate welfare ended and the corporate tax go to 0%. All it does is transfer money from profitable companies to their less profitable competition. You expect me to believe you never found ways to cut costs when you were building those businesses? Even if it meant relocating?

                                                                        Originally posted by rkelly110

                                                                        IDK, do you know?

                                                                        How many conservatives do you know who are gaming the system?

                                                                        You know as well as I, companies don't leave because taxes are high, it's wages and benefits.
                                                                        Our sec of labor thinks the min wage is too high, as you do.

                                                                        Why not move overseas and pay a fraction of the labor costs, bring in your goods with no duty and quadruple
                                                                        your profits? Just have a little 350 sq ft office here and reap the profits.

                                                                        I hope your boy puts a stop to that, but I doubt it, because he's one of them. Fox watching the hen house.
                                                                        Yeah, the dems front runners were people that were running on a platform of free stuff.
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                                                                        Companies leave because of costs being too high. Taxes, wages, and benefits are all costs. It is possible for a country (USA) to have higher wages and benefits than another (N. Korea), but not go to that country due to higher taxes (100%) and 0 property rights.

                                                                        Moving overseas has costs, shipping around the world has costs, American workers are much more productive than Chinese workers.

                                                                        It's funny, in Connecticut they decided to make the rich pay their fair share, hiked their taxes twice since 2011, and they've seen deficits blow up as the wealthy simply moved to a lower tax state. That is the idea we all agree with, people will put money is places where they will get more of it.



                                                                        My boy was Gary Johnson.
                                                                        Last edited by guitarjosh; 05-04-17, 03:01 AM.
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