Craps - Betting Pass AND Dont Pass on comeout roll

**big joe 1212** · 02-07-17, 09:46 AM

These guys are morons. I love it when the 12 rolls on the come out.

Some of these guys have a pen and paper taking notes on what's rolled.

**TxAaron** · 02-07-17, 09:49 AM

Great way for you and a friend to get rated as high limit player if you bet max odds on each side of the table.

**big joe 1212** · 02-07-17, 09:51 AM

You would not believe how many times at the hard rock where I saw people walking up to the craps table dropping money on the pass line when the point was already established. Even on points 4 and 10. I try to tell them they should just bet the box number instead and they'd look at me like I was crazy or they say they don't care. Unreal!

One guy walked up and put a 5k chip on the pass with the point of 4 already established. 4 hit and he would have made 2-1 minus the juice instead of 1-1.

Guy says "I don't care, I play 5k a hand BJ"

**big joe 1212** · 02-07-17, 09:52 AM

Originally posted by TxAaron

Great way for you and a friend to get rated as high limit player if you bet max odds on each side of the table.

They don't rate any odds you play

**Sam Odom** · 02-07-17, 09:56 AM

Originally posted by big joe 1212

You would not believe how many times at the hard rock where I saw people walking up to the craps table dropping money on the pass line when the point was already established. Even on points 4 and 10.

yeah

seen that a lot

**gauchojake** · 02-07-17, 09:57 AM

Sammy did you see Kenny Rogers?

**Sam Odom** · 02-07-17, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by gauchojake

Sammy did you see Kenny Rogers?

he is Chinese now

**Sam Odom** · 02-07-17, 09:58 AM

**Buckandadime** · 02-07-17, 09:59 AM

Originally posted by Sam Odom

Mind you... Sammy does not care how one bets his $$$

But...

Last night a guy was doing that and selecting when to bet full odds or not - probably betting odds 70% of the time

OK , cool. Its his money

About 30 mins in... he starts telling the whole table we all should do what he is doing

He said "House has no edge" and insinuated we were stupid - One guy next to him politely began explaining to him the flaw in his thinking

Long story short... the table got heated because the know-it-all guy got louder (could have been drinking/drugs) with his bullshit. Finally the floorman told the whole table to 'drop it' - guy stopped for 5 mins then started again

Security escorted him out

Ruins a nice time for everyone.. Unfortunately, you can't fix stupid..

**gauchojake** · 02-07-17, 10:02 AM

Originally posted by Sam Odom

Looks great!

**allabout the $$$** · 02-07-17, 10:18 AM

Originally posted by big joe 1212

You would not believe how many times at the hard rock where I saw people walking up to the craps table dropping money on the pass line when the point was already established. Even on points 4 and 10. I try to tell them they should just bet the box number instead and they'd look at me like I was crazy or they say they don't care. Unreal!

One guy walked up and put a 5k chip on the pass with the point of 4 already established. 4 hit and he would have made 2-1 minus the juice instead of 1-1.

Guy says "I don't care, I play 5k a hand BJ"

we have to go to the next bash just so we can make it to the craps tables together we always missed each other at the tables!

how was the table sunday night?

**jjgold** · 02-07-17, 10:20 AM

losing game
fun
bet small

always go against roller

**Sam Odom** · 02-07-17, 10:21 AM

Originally posted by jjgold

losing game
fun
bet small

always go against roller

many Pro craps players

**gauchojake** · 02-07-17, 10:35 AM

Sammy did you win?

**Sam Odom** · 02-07-17, 10:38 AM

Originally posted by gauchojake

Sammy did you win?

+ $160 and a food comp

life of a gambler is lonely - eating alone at the bar

**gauchojake** · 02-07-17, 10:48 AM

**Snowball** · 02-07-17, 10:58 AM

Craps is such an easy game, but people overcomplicate and lose,
if you want to win at craps, all you have to do is keep doubling up
on the Field bet. So there, I share one of my secrets with SBR.

**Sam Odom** · 02-07-17, 11:03 AM

Originally posted by Snowball

if you want to win at craps, all you have to do is keep doubling up on the Field bet.

**gauchojake** · 02-07-17, 11:19 AM

Originally posted by jjgold

losing game
fun
bet small

always go against roller

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**big joe 1212** · 02-07-17, 11:20 AM

Originally posted by allabout the $$$

we have to go to the next bash just so we can make it to the craps tables together we always missed each other at the tables!

how was the table sunday night?

Same dude that rolled and won me 3k Friday night had another classic roll. He made me almost 3k again. But then I was still on tilt from the Falcons loss and kept playing. Only walked away up $500. The hot chicks at the table also kept me in the game. The hot blonde next to me said she would give me a BJ if I made her 1k. I collapsed under the pressure and immediately sevened out!

**big joe 1212** · 02-07-17, 11:22 AM

Originally posted by Snowball

Craps is such an easy game, but people overcomplicate and lose,
if you want to win at craps, all you have to do is keep doubling up
on the Field bet. So there, I share one of my secrets with SBR.

What happens when you reach the table limit after doubling up too many times?

**Sam Odom** · 02-07-17, 11:28 AM

Originally posted by gauchojake

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/players-talk/42037-craps-beatable.html

JJ is a well known Sharp around Vegas

**BuckyOne** · 02-07-17, 11:50 AM

Let's say you play 100 a hand both ways - 12 comes up 1 in 36 rolls. Roughly costs 3 bucks a roll to do this. But, then you get true odds - let's say 10 x odds - if it was a six you could take odds of 1000 gets you 1200 instead of1200 gets 1400 if you place it which is about the same as 1000 gets 1166. So, the guy gets 34 more 5 times out of 36 that the 6 hits - it is better on 5 & 9 - he would get 100 more the 4 times a 5 hits. Instead of buying a 4 or 10 for 50 bucks on a 1000 place bet. Big difference there of 1000 gets 2000 or 1000 gets 1800 on a place bet.

So, I do not think it is the dumbest thing I have ever heard of if there is 10 or 100 times odds. You could throw out 3 bucks on a twelve on the hop to pay 90 each time to be the cost of getting the true odds? My computer would tell you that this is about as close to 50/50 you can get. Just the math of losing 100 on 1 of 36 rolls.

**Sam Odom** · 02-07-17, 12:05 PM

'free odds' is illusionary , in that it somehow changes the vig on passline bets

pass = 1 bet
odds = 1 bet

so you have two separate wagers which cannot be made at the same time ('put' bets still only pay even on flat)

run the free odds bet (5x or 100x) out to infinium = break even - no vig

do the same with a flat pass bet = -1.41% on total amount of money wagered

.

**BuckyOne** · 02-07-17, 12:55 PM

People that play 10x odds think of the pass line bet as a coat hanger for what they really want to do. The odds are simply true odds after the point has been established. It is the one game in the casino where the player can participate. That is the only possible advantage. But, there is the catch 22 - they run you just like black jack - dice cannot be above the table height - blah blah.

**big joe 1212** · 02-07-17, 12:57 PM

Originally posted by BuckyOne

Let's say you play 100 a hand both ways - 12 comes up 1 in 36 rolls. Roughly costs 3 bucks a roll to do this. But, then you get true odds - let's say 10 x odds - if it was a six you could take odds of 1000 gets you 1200 instead of1200 gets 1400 if you place it which is about the same as 1000 gets 1166. So, the guy gets 34 more 5 times out of 36 that the 6 hits - it is better on 5 & 9 - he would get 100 more the 4 times a 5 hits. Instead of buying a 4 or 10 for 50 bucks on a 1000 place bet. Big difference there of 1000 gets 2000 or 1000 gets 1800 on a place bet.

So, I do not think it is the dumbest thing I have ever heard of if there is 10 or 100 times odds. You could throw out 3 bucks on a twelve on the hop to pay 90 each time to be the cost of getting the true odds? My computer would tell you that this is about as close to 50/50 you can get. Just the math of losing 100 on 1 of 36 rolls.

If anyone wants to come to my house and play the do's AND dont's I'll give you a million times odds if you'd like.

Its IMPOSSIBLE to make any money with this system

**big joe 1212** · 02-07-17, 12:58 PM

Some people only play this way cause they like putting odds on the do's with the 6 and 8 and like placing odds on the donts if the point is 4 or 10. Or vice versa

**DiggityDaggityDo** · 02-07-17, 01:01 PM

Why is Kenny Rogers Chinese now??

**Fire in da hole** · 02-07-17, 01:08 PM

All I know is that if its Big Joe's turn to roll, its better to sit out or bet the don't pass line..

**big joe 1212** · 02-07-17, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by Fire in da hole

All I know is that if its Big Joe's turn to roll, its better to sit out or bet the don't pass line..

Smartest post in this thread

**Fire in da hole** · 02-07-17, 01:37 PM

Originally posted by big joe 1212

Smartest post in this thread

**trytrytry** · 02-07-17, 01:47 PM

and yet CAsio managers cry cry cry about how hard it is to manage and make profits in a casino or sportsbook

LOL

3rd grader can do this

**SharpAngles** · 02-07-17, 02:00 PM

Favorite craps "strategy" is building an iron cross and getting a hot shooter. Last time I was in Vegas the first 3 crosses crapped out right away but the next guy went on an epic 30+ run and we cleaned the table out.

Also fun to be the only guy betting don't pass and getting heat from the rest of the losers cause it's "bad luck"

**SharpAngles** · 02-07-17, 02:03 PM

You want some real off the wall strategy talk play these machines

some of the ideas guys share around these is so fkn lol funny