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  • grease lightnin
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    #1436
    Originally posted by Thor4140
    Now it is okay since another billionaire FINALLY SAID It isn't fair, while the middle class is getting clobbered. YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS FUKIN SHIT UP.
    Warren Buffett has been saying it for years.
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    • DwightShrute
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      • 01-17-09
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      #1437
      Originally posted by rkelly110
      90% of Fox viewership is 70 years old and above. These are the people voting them in. They are brainwashed.
      I know, my parents watch that shit. They never used to talk the way they do now after watching that shit.
      wrong. again. (heavy sigh)





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      so who's brainwashed? LOL
      Last edited by DwightShrute; 08-28-15, 08:28 PM. Reason: RK is brainwashed and his wonderful parents never spanked him enough
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      • brooks85
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        #1438
        lol I knew he was wrong the moment I read it, you can never trust him with numbers. He just wings shit and hopes it sticks.


        He said more people were on SSDI than Welfare... he wasn't that far off... only 11x more people on welfare lol!
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        • DwightShrute
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          #1439
          how can you not like this guy?

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          • Thor4140
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            #1440
            Originally posted by grease lightnin
            Warren Buffett has been saying it for years.
            i meant a rich Republican. Buffett always had a lean left. He wasn't "one of them" When BUffet said the rich should pay more these asshats heard Fix news say "Warren is allowed to pay as much as he wants and nobody is stopping him" These assholes all bought that talking point helping to further their cause of sticking up for billionaires because they were being treated unfairly lol. These 40 thousand dollar a year Republicans who think some day they are gonna be as rich as Trump or Buffet. They are just ignorant simpleminded jerkoffs who flat out kill the country because they are to stupid to realize when they are being played. That is the big problem in this country. Really not the billionaires at all. They just found a huge group of simpletons to puppet around like clowns. Der gonna take away ur guns so vote for my billionaire interest. Der gonna kill babies on street corners so vote for my billionaire interest. Der are weapons of mass destruction so help us rob the country while sending ur kids to die like a good jackass would. Watch out for blackie and the rotten Mexicans they are coming to rob u blind. Vote for my billionaire interest. Those dirty unions. They are trying to make a wage to hurt my billionaire wage even thou budgets were surpluses when unions were strong (people who could actually buy something which in fact creates jobs). Help us rid of those dirty unions. Please help us u useless pieces of brainwashed shit.
            Last edited by Thor4140; 08-28-15, 11:31 PM.
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            • Jeffie
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              #1441
              Originally posted by Thor4140
              i meant a rich Republican. Buffett always had a lean left. He wasn't "one of them" When BUffet said the rich should pay more these asshats heard Fix news say "Warren is allowed to pay as much as he wants and nobody is stopping him" These assholes all bought that talking point helping to further their cause of sticking up for billionaires because they were being treated unfairly lol. These 40 thousand dollar a year Republicans who think some day they are gonna be as rich as Trump or Buffet. They are just ignorant simpleminded jerkoffs who flat out kill the country because they are to stupid to realize when they are being played. That is the big problem in this country. Really not the billionaires at all. They just found a huge group of simpletons to puppet around like clowns. Der gonna take away ur guns so vote for my billionaire interest. Der gonna kill babies on street corners so vote for my billionaire interest. Der are weapons of mass destruction so help us rob the country while sending ur kids to die like a good jackass would. Watch out for blackie and the rotten Mexicans they are coming to rob u blind. Vote for my billionaire interest. Those dirty unions. They are trying to make a wage to hurt my billionaire wage even thou budgets were surpluses when unions were strong (people who could actually buy something which in fact creates jobs). Help us rid of those dirty unions. Please help us u useless pieces of brainwashed shit.
              Your democratic welfare ass probably voted Obama. Congrats you helped fuk up the country.
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              • Ballerholic
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                #1442
                lets go donald
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                • magyarsvensk
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                  #1443
                  Originally posted by brooks85
                  likewise, it is sheep.

                  easier to call you an idiot than to actually correct you like I usually do. We both know your ego will ignore the facts which is why you said the majority of stuff in your post in the first place lol... You're too dumb to even realize it is the most amusing part about you.


                  And don't give me that name calling bs, calling you an idiot is not name calling. It is simply using the English language correctly.
                  Wow, that sound reasoning really got to you, didn't it?
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                  • rkelly110
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                    #1444
                    Originally posted by rkelly110
                    90% of Fox viewership is 70 years old and above. These are the people voting them in. They are brainwashed.
                    I know, my parents watch that shit. They never used to talk the way they do now after watching that shit.
                    Ok, my bad. It's O Reilly who has those numbers.

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                    According to the numbers less than fifteen percent of O’Reilly’s audience fell within the key 25-54 demographic, and the average age of O’Reilly audience was 72 years old.
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                    • brooks85
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                      #1445
                      Originally posted by magyarsvensk
                      Wow, that sound reasoning really got to you, didn't it?
                      something like that....*crickets*
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                      • The Kraken
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                        #1446
                        Originally posted by Jeffie
                        Your democratic welfare ass probably voted Obama. Congrats you helped fuk up the country.
                        The US is better off today than we've ever been. The elites in this country, primarily through racism, have divided this country down the political lines. There is still work to be done but extremists on both sides tend to see the sky as falling.

                        The reality is, the reason there aren't full fledged riots going on is because life is pretty fawking good in America right now.

                        That doesn't mean easy street, it doesn't mean we have things to work on like scrapping the tax, hiking taxes on corporations and the rich, more racial awareness, etc... But were better off today than any other point in history.

                        And don't give me the argument that rich people will leave if we hike taxes and they'll bring their businesses overseas with them, because they've been doing that for the better part of the last 3 decade anyways.

                        Big corps are always gonna look to increase profit margins. The number one way to this is to lower wages paid out. The easiest way to do this is to ship all your jobs to China and pay a little Chinese girl $3/day to do the same job as an American that would get paid 2-10 times more.

                        And yet we still have guys ardently defending corporations as job providers as if they have your best interest at heart. You're only good them as long as there is regulation or you are your production level is so high that it justifies your wages conpared to the chinese girl.
                        Last edited by The Kraken; 08-29-15, 08:39 AM.
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                        • brooks85
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                          #1447
                          Originally posted by The Kraken
                          The US is better off today than we've ever been. .
                          lol couldn't get past this joke

                          man this guy isn't very smart but I've already shown that many times.


                          Originally posted by rkelly110
                          Ok, my bad. It's O Reilly who has those numbers.

                          Get all of your daily news without the billionaire influence and corporate bias. PoliticusUSA delivers the analysis of the issues that you care about most. Click to read PoliticusUSA, a Substack publication with tens of thousands of subscribers.


                          According to the numbers less than fifteen percent of O’Reilly’s audience fell within the key 25-54 demographic, and the average age of O’Reilly audience was 72 years old.


                          now if you were just this reasonable more often we wouldn't butt heads so much. I told ya before, all you have to do is be logical, not spew nonsense and we won't have a problem. So no more saying there is more people on ssdi than welfare, and no more saying slaves came here illegally(lol that is was fukn hilarious though, I'll give ya that. Got a bunch of laughs out of it).
                          Last edited by brooks85; 08-29-15, 08:38 AM.
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                          • The Kraken
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                            #1448
                            Brooks i know, you still think the world you grew up in was the best. Everyone does at some point, it's a childs mentality. The difference is, most of us eventually recognize it and adjust. You obviously haven't.
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                            • grease lightnin
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                              #1449
                              Kraken if he lives in rural Ohio as was suggested yesterday, then all of the jobs that were once there are gone and almost all people who live in these areas are completely defeated. Hell, even people who live in cities but once had these jobs or families had these jobs are like this. Bunch a negative Nancys.
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                              • Mr KLC
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                                #1450
                                Originally posted by The Kraken
                                Brooks i know, you still think the world you grew up in was the best. Everyone does at some point, it's a childs mentality. The difference is, most of us eventually recognize it and adjust. You obviously haven't.
                                I have to go with Brooks on this one. I've lived through 5 decades, and this one is FAR from the best one.
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                                • grease lightnin
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                                  #1451
                                  Originally posted by Mr KLC
                                  I have to go with Brooks on this one. I've lived through 5 decades, and this one is FAR from the best one.

                                  Why?
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                                  • Mr KLC
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                                    #1452
                                    Originally posted by grease lightnin
                                    Why?
                                    Optimism and unity are awful. Reminds me so much of the late 70's. Obama can talk a good game, but he can't inspire a nation like Clinton and Reagan did. Those guys could work with their congresses even though they were on the other side of the political spectrum. All Obama can do is blame, whine, and cry. A true leader goes beyond that, and finds a way to communicate, and work things out. Obama just hardlines, and if Congress pushes the least bit, he cries to the public blaming all those mean Republicans. The funny thing is that the Republicans, as a whole, are a bunch of wusses. He wanted the fukking job as president. Get in there and be a damn leader instead of a finger pointer! Clinton worked with a tough, conservative Congress. Reagan worked with Tip O'Neil, enough said. I think its just a part of this era. Not as many people are willing to take personal responsibility any more. Its just so much easier, to blame someone else, and whine until you get what you want, or just be a victim. When the leader of the free world does it, then a lot of the minions think it is OK also.
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                                    • brooks85
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                                      #1453
                                      Originally posted by grease lightnin
                                      Kraken if he lives in rural Ohio as was suggested yesterday, then all of the jobs that were once there are gone and almost all people who live in these areas are completely defeated. Hell, even people who live in cities but once had these jobs or families had these jobs are like this. Bunch a negative Nancys.
                                      again, you're just showing how truly ignorant you are just like last night when you made it very clear. It is a theme for you. I live right above one of the top 10 cities rated best for business in America and one of the richest counties in the country. Yes, it is terrible... lol
                                      Last edited by brooks85; 08-29-15, 10:58 AM.
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                                      • rkelly110
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                                        #1454
                                        Originally posted by Mr KLC
                                        Optimism and unity are awful. Reminds me so much of the late 70's. Obama can talk a good game, but he can't inspire a nation like Clinton and Reagan did. Those guys could work with their congresses even though they were on the other side of the political spectrum. All Obama can do is blame, whine, and cry. A true leader goes beyond that, and finds a way to communicate, and work things out. Obama just hardlines, and if Congress pushes the least bit, he cries to the public blaming all those mean Republicans. The funny thing is that the Republicans, as a whole, are a bunch of wusses. He wanted the fukking job as president. Get in there and be a damn leader instead of a finger pointer! Clinton worked with a tough, conservative Congress. Reagan worked with Tip O'Neil, enough said. I think its just a part of this era. Not as many people are willing to take personal responsibility any more. Its just so much easier, to blame someone else, and whine until you get what you want, or just be a victim. When the leader of the free world does it, then a lot of the minions think it is OK also.
                                        Depends on what your definition of a leader is.

                                        Most Repubs want a leader who doesn't take shit, makes hard line decisions on a whim and talks caveman. That's
                                        why Trump is doing so well.

                                        Obama is a leader also. He has taken us where no man has gone before. He had the balls to give us healthcare,
                                        lifted a 50 year embargo with Cuba, given gays the right to marry and initiated an Iran deal. Not only has the US
                                        benefited, so has the world.

                                        Sure he's blamed his predecessor and a do nothing congress. He's for progress. They stifle that. It has to be
                                        frustrating for him, being ridiculed at every turn.

                                        A leader has to have vision, a thought process and the balls to change. Both Obama and Trump have that.
                                        Doing the same thing and expecting a different result is the definition of idiocy.
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                                        • Mr KLC
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                                          #1455
                                          Originally posted by rkelly110
                                          Depends on what your definition of a leader is.

                                          Most Repubs want a leader who doesn't take shit, makes hard line decisions on a whim and talks caveman. That's
                                          why Trump is doing so well.

                                          Obama is a leader also. He has taken us where no man has gone before. He had the balls to give us healthcare,
                                          lifted a 50 year embargo with Cuba, given gays the right to marry and initiated an Iran deal. Not only has the US
                                          benefited, so has the world.

                                          Sure he's blamed his predecessor and a do nothing congress. He's for progress. They stifle that. It has to be
                                          frustrating for him, being ridiculed at every turn.

                                          A leader has to have vision, a thought process and the balls to change. Both Obama and Trump have that.
                                          Doing the same thing and expecting a different result is the definition of idiocy.
                                          Health care would not have been passed unless he had the majority in Congress. Didn't take any leadership to do that. Supreme Court made the decision on gays and marriage. Anyone could have "initiated" an Iran deal. He doesn't look like too much of a leader on how Iran seems to have fleeced him. As far as Cuba goes, hey, we can get those cigars now legally.
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                                          • Thor4140
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                                            #1456
                                            Originally posted by Jeffie
                                            Your democratic welfare ass probably voted Obama. Congrats you helped fuk up the country.
                                            u are one of the dim bulbs i have been talking about. "Obama has ruin the country" Now im sure u are a two time Bush voter who thinks this. JUst a country killing backwards asshat who gets played like a fiddle over and over again.
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                                            • grease lightnin
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                                              #1457
                                              Originally posted by brooks85
                                              again, you're just showing how truly ignorant you are just like last night when you made it very clear. It is a theme for you. I live right above one of the top 10 cities rated best for business in America and one of the richest counties in the country. Yes, it is terrible... lol

                                              What are you bitching about then? Go get that money. "The country is going to hell", in one breath and in the next, "I live in one of the wealthiest counties in the country and have huge opportunity for business"

                                              Which is it?
                                              Last edited by grease lightnin; 08-30-15, 07:44 AM.
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                                              • Thor4140
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                                                #1458
                                                Can someone please post that picture of the billionaire and the hick with the hick carrying the billionaires bags i believe.
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                                                • grease lightnin
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                                                  #1459
                                                  Originally posted by Mr KLC
                                                  Optimism and unity are awful. Reminds me so much of the late 70's. Obama can talk a good game, but he can't inspire a nation like Clinton and Reagan did. Those guys could work with their congresses even though they were on the other side of the political spectrum. All Obama can do is blame, whine, and cry. A true leader goes beyond that, and finds a way to communicate, and work things out. Obama just hardlines, and if Congress pushes the least bit, he cries to the public blaming all those mean Republicans. The funny thing is that the Republicans, as a whole, are a bunch of wusses. He wanted the fukking job as president. Get in there and be a damn leader instead of a finger pointer! Clinton worked with a tough, conservative Congress. Reagan worked with Tip O'Neil, enough said. I think its just a part of this era. Not as many people are willing to take personal responsibility any more. Its just so much easier, to blame someone else, and whine until you get what you want, or just be a victim. When the leader of the free world does it, then a lot of the minions think it is OK also.

                                                  I think kraken meant that people's lives are better off. Partisan folks will always be happy when their party is in office, and pissed when they aren't.
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                                                  • The Kraken
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                                                    #1460
                                                    Originally posted by Mr KLC
                                                    Health care would not have been passed unless he had the majority in Congress. Didn't take any leadership to do that. Supreme Court made the decision on gays and marriage. Anyone could have "initiated" an Iran deal. He doesn't look like too much of a leader on how Iran seems to have fleeced him. As far as Cuba goes, hey, we can get those cigars now legally.
                                                    You, like many other conservatives, just automatically discredit anything Obama does. It's instinctual at this point. No thought goes into it. Just anti- anything Obama related.

                                                    And that's certainly fine. But I will disagree with you on many points about Obama not being a great leader. Has he been the most effective president? Probably not. Part of that can be attributed to a Congress that wouldn't compromise with him. It happens. Sometimes, for whatever reasons, logical or illogical, people don't click. Obama hasn't clicked with a lot of people, particularly middle aged and older white, male Americans ie Congress. Those are just the facts. But he has been extremely effective nonetheless.

                                                    He has been an amazing leader for minorities. He has fought for their causes. He continues to bring to the forefront the struggles they face. We've had president after president ignore their struggles as if they don't have rights as well. The old saying "majority rules, minority rights" seems to have stopped after the "majority rules" for so many administrations.

                                                    He's also been an amazing leader for the underserved in our society, not just minorities. Great leaders have vision. The ACA was his vision, so yes, that is an example of his leadership. Conservative estimates show that over 16 million Americans went from uninsured to insured directly related to the ACA. That's incredible.

                                                    Great leaders don't always have to serve the establishment, or the middle aged/older white male. Remember, this is new territory for us. We've always been catered to by leaders that served our needs, looked just like us, that we can relate to. Obama is different, his effectiveness is measured differently and that makes a lot people mad.

                                                    Anyone could have initiated the Iran deal, but no one else did. Anyone could have given the order to take out OBL, but no one else did. Anyone could have fought for gay marriage equality, but no one else did. Here we are in 2015 and plenty of other leaders before Obama could have done these things, but no one else did. So yes, by all accounts, he has been unequivocally a great leader.
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                                                    • The Kraken
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                                                      #1461
                                                      Originally posted by grease lightnin
                                                      I think kraken meant that people's lives are better off. Partisan folks will always be happy when their party is in office, and pissed when they aren't.
                                                      This is a great point. And one not to be forgotten.
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                                                      • Mr KLC
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                                                        #1462
                                                        Originally posted by grease lightnin
                                                        I think kraken meant that people's lives are better off. Partisan folks will always be happy when their party is in office, and pissed when they aren't.
                                                        I don't believe people feel like they are better off, and if they do, a lot of that might feed into the "new normal" thinking that people had in the 70's. If people were so much more better off, there wouldn't be as much public assistance being shelled out. We wouldn't also hear the whining about begging the government to raise the minimum wage, and the class envy about 1%er's. Didn't have nearly as much of that in the 80's. Reagan got government out of the way, and Carter's term became a distant memory by the time Reagan was running for reelection.
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                                                        • The Kraken
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                                                          #1463
                                                          Originally posted by Mr KLC
                                                          I don't believe people feel like they are better off, and if they do, a lot of that might feed into the "new normal" thinking that people had in the 70's. If people were so much more better off, there wouldn't be as much public assistance being shelled out. We wouldn't also hear the whining about begging the government to raise the minimum wage, and the class envy about 1%er's. Didn't have nearly as much of that in the 80's. Reagan got government out of the way, and Carter's term became a distant memory by the time Reagan was running for reelection.
                                                          We hear a lot more of everything these days KLC. You hear about CEO's make $25,000,000- $150,000,000 yearly, while the average employee working for them makes between $22,000-$50,000 yearly. You hear about how the 1% has sucked up all the wealth in this country since the crash in 2009. In fact, 95% of all income gains since the market crash have went to the top one percent of earners. If you aren't part of that class, why represent them at the polls? It's ludicrous man.

                                                          Like it or not, you're a hell of a lot closer to the reality many poor black Americans and illegal immigrants face, than you are to the top one percent of earners. You're in the same boat as 99% of America. We are all going to benefit greatly from having SS available to us, having medicare, etc.... We're all going to benefit from these "welfare programs", otherwise known as a defined contribution.

                                                          A good reality check is needed for the vast majority of white Americans. We're in the same boat as the poor black mamma raising 9 kids. We're no where near the boat of the elites. And that's just a hard reality for a majority to accept.

                                                          We always want to see ourselves as the rich white guy, so we identify with them, even though they don't represent us at all and their is no way to serve both sides concurrently. Yet when middle class white Americans go to the poll, they'll vote for the billionaire trump, or the hundred millionaire Clinton. Common people, wake up.
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                                                          • Mr KLC
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                                                            #1464
                                                            Originally posted by The Kraken
                                                            You, like many other conservatives, just automatically discredit anything Obama does. It's instinctual at this point. No thought goes into it. Just anti- anything Obama related.

                                                            And that's certainly fine. But I will disagree with you on many points about Obama not being a great leader. Has he been the most effective president? Probably not. Part of that can be attributed to a Congress that wouldn't compromise with him. It happens. Sometimes, for whatever reasons, logical or illogical, people don't click. Obama hasn't clicked with a lot of people, particularly middle aged and older white, male Americans ie Congress. Those are just the facts. But he has been extremely effective nonetheless.

                                                            He has been an amazing leader for minorities. He has fought for their causes. He continues to bring to the forefront the struggles they face. We've had president after president ignore their struggles as if they don't have rights as well. The old saying "majority rules, minority rights" seems to have stopped after the "majority rules" for so many administrations.

                                                            He's also been an amazing leader for the underserved in our society, not just minorities. Great leaders have vision. The ACA was his vision, so yes, that is an example of his leadership. Conservative estimates show that over 16 million Americans went from uninsured to insured directly related to the ACA. That's incredible.

                                                            Great leaders don't always have to serve the establishment, or the middle aged/older white male. Remember, this is new territory for us. We've always been catered to by leaders that served our needs, looked just like us, that we can relate to. Obama is different, his effectiveness is measured differently and that makes a lot people mad.

                                                            Anyone could have initiated the Iran deal, but no one else did. Anyone could have given the order to take out OBL, but no one else did. Anyone could have fought for gay marriage equality, but no one else did. Here we are in 2015 and plenty of other leaders before Obama could have done these things, but no one else did. So yes, by all accounts, he has been unequivocally a great leader.
                                                            You say he has done a lot for black people, but what has he done? More of them are out of work since he took office last time I checked. The ACA was a liberal vision since Hillary in 1993. He just followed through with it. Again, it was easy to get passed because he had a super majority in Congress, and even then, he had a hard time getting it through, having to make special deals. He lost his majorities in Congress after that because he couldn't convince the American people it was the right thing to do. Also, how many people lost their health coverage after it was passed? How many people lost their full time jobs? How many people are going to lose a big chunk of their tax returns in the next year or two because they don't want health coverage?

                                                            Ever think there is a reason why other leaders never "negotiated" with Iran? OBL eventually would have been caught. In the 21st century, you can't hide forever. I'll give him credit that it happened on his watch, but any leader in the free world after 9/11 would love to have been the man to take him down. Again, it doesn't matter how much he "fought" for gay marriage, because that was ultimately the Supreme Court's decision. That is, of course, you are implying that he stiff armed the court.
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                                                            • KVB
                                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                                              • 05-29-14
                                                              • 74817

                                                              #1465
                                                              Originally posted by The Kraken
                                                              ...Great leaders have vision. The ACA was his vision, so yes, that is an example of his leadership. Conservative estimates show that over 16 million Americans went from uninsured to insured directly related to the ACA. That's incredible...
                                                              This is simply not true.

                                                              In 1993 Clinton’s administration proposed a bill for health care reform. It was similar to today’s ACA, only big insurance fought what they saw as too much regulation on their premiums.

                                                              A solution to require people to purchase insurance by law, with other regulations, was essentially a plan designed by the Heritage Foundation.

                                                              That’s a right wing think tank, if you didn’t know.

                                                              The ACA enacted during Obama’s administration is basically the same as the program designed by the Heritage Foundation in the 1990’s.

                                                              Healthcare reform has been on the table for years and Obama and a vision truly has little to do with it. He’s just the sitting president while it was enacted.

                                                              It seems giving credit to Obama and his vision for ACA is yet another act of low information voters.

                                                              For campaign purposes, it would be in the best interest of the Democratic Party to continue to cite successes with the Healthcare Act and give the sitting president all the credit.

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                                                              • Mr KLC
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                                                                • 12-19-07
                                                                • 31097

                                                                #1466
                                                                Originally posted by The Kraken
                                                                We hear a lot more of everything these days KLC. You hear about CEO's make $25,000,000- $150,000,000 yearly, while the average employee working for them makes between $22,000-$50,000 yearly. You hear about how the 1% has sucked up all the wealth in this country since the crash in 2009. In fact, 95% of all income gains since the market crash have went to the top one percent of earners. If you aren't part of that class, why represent them at the polls? It's ludicrous man.

                                                                Like it or not, you're a hell of a lot closer to the reality many poor black Americans and illegal immigrants face, than you are to the top one percent of earners. You're in the same boat as 99% of America. We are all going to benefit greatly from having SS available to us, having medicare, etc.... We're all going to benefit from these "welfare programs", otherwise known as a defined contribution.

                                                                A good reality check is needed for the vast majority of white Americans. We're in the same boat as the poor black mamma raising 9 kids. We're no where near the boat of the elites. And that's just a hard reality for a majority to accept.

                                                                We always want to see ourselves as the rich white guy, so we identify with them, even though they don't represent us at all and their is no way to serve both sides concurrently. Yet when middle class white Americans go to the poll, they'll vote for the billionaire trump, or the hundred millionaire Clinton. Common people, wake up.
                                                                I hate to tell you my friend, pretty much anyone you vote for is going to represent the rich guy no matter who you vote for. That's why Trump resonates with so many people. He is exposing the elephant in the room, and that's what makes him so popular, and teflonish. No one else can truly bring up politicians being bought off unless they are a 1%er themselves. Perot did the same thing in 1992, and might have pulled it off if it wasn't for the NAACP fiasco. I'm open to the possibility of an outsider from inside Washington running things. Just glad I have another 6 months before I have to choose.
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                                                                • The Kraken
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                                                                  • 12-25-11
                                                                  • 28918

                                                                  #1467
                                                                  Clinton may have had his own vision for health care reform, as did Mit Romney, but it wasn't this vision. Maybe similar, but this is certainly Obamas vision. Point taken though and thank you for the correction, there were others before Obama that have fought for healthcare reform, and this goes for all levels of government.

                                                                  But, Clinton wasn't unable to get it passed. Obama was. I tend to give a lot more credit to the sitting president that got it done than you might. When 9/11 happened on Bushs watch, that was his burden to carry. ACA is Obamas to own, good or bad. If it fails, everyone will blame Obama, not anyone before him that attempted their own version of reform.

                                                                  Much like the head coach of a program, if it happens on their watch, good or bad, the credit and blame sits with them.

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                                                                  • The Kraken
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                                                                    • 12-25-11
                                                                    • 28918

                                                                    #1468
                                                                    Originally posted by Mr KLC
                                                                    I hate to tell you my friend, pretty much anyone you vote for is going to represent the rich guy no matter who you vote for. That's why Trump resonates with so many people. He is exposing the elephant in the room, and that's what makes him so popular, and teflonish. No one else can truly bring up politicians being bought off unless they are a 1%er themselves. Perot did the same thing in 1992, and might have pulled it off if it wasn't for the NAACP fiasco. I'm open to the possibility of an outsider from inside Washington running things. Just glad I have another 6 months before I have to choose.
                                                                    I disagree, but I understand. I would probably vote for Trump over Hilary, not 100% sure but I think I would. But I don't believe it's true no candidates would represent us. Bernie Sanders is one of the poorest presidential candidates in some time. His entire platform is fighting big corporations and building the middle class.

                                                                    There's certainly debate to be had on whether or not he could be effective in doing so, but I believe he would represent me and my needs better than any other candidate.

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                                                                    • DwightShrute
                                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                                      • 01-17-09
                                                                      • 103157

                                                                      #1469
                                                                      Originally posted by rkelly110
                                                                      Depends on what your definition of a leader is.

                                                                      Most Repubs want a leader who doesn't take shit, makes hard line decisions on a whim and talks caveman. That's
                                                                      why Trump is doing so well.

                                                                      Obama is a leader also. He has taken us where no man has gone before. He had the balls to give us healthcare,
                                                                      lifted a 50 year embargo with Cuba, given gays the right to marry and initiated an Iran deal. Not only has the US
                                                                      benefited, so has the world.

                                                                      Sure he's blamed his predecessor and a do nothing congress. He's for progress. They stifle that. It has to be
                                                                      frustrating for him, being ridiculed at every turn.

                                                                      A leader has to have vision, a thought process and the balls to change. Both Obama and Trump have that.
                                                                      Doing the same thing and expecting a different result is the definition of idiocy.
                                                                      Most PEOPLE want a leader. Whatever form it comes in. For me, he can be a dem or rep. Obama has failed in the leadership department. Huge.

                                                                      He didn't give the right for gays to marry. The Supreme Court did. Obama was against gay marriage but evolved just in time for the 2012 election.

                                                                      He had to bribe democrat senators to get enough votes to pass the Obamacare to begin with and then everyone else could actually read it lol. Great leader huh? No a real leader would have worked with both sides to come up with a healthcare plan that the other side isn't always threatening to repeal. He's had 7 years to do that. Massive failure.

                                                                      The Embargo with Cuba hasn't been lifted as of yet. But I agree, that is probably his biggest accomplishment when it's official. And it will happen. His legacy. Because of Cuba, he might now go down as the worst president in US history. He might be the 2nd or 3rd worst only.
                                                                      Last edited by DwightShrute; 08-29-15, 12:24 PM.
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                                                                      • The Kraken
                                                                        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                        • 12-25-11
                                                                        • 28918

                                                                        #1470
                                                                        "Bribing" senators is what leadership is all about. Every great president has done it.

                                                                        You're obviously correct about the SC giving gays the right to marry. I had mentioned in another post that obama fought for gay marriage equality, that's ehat I should've said.

                                                                        Obama did put two of those justices in power to make that decision. Again, another sign of leadership. Put smart, good people in power around you to make you look good. No one can do anything alone. Even Jordan had Pippen and PJ
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