Full Tilt Poker is a Scam

[bettilimbroke999]

Anyone playing online poker should have their head examined. All poker is rigged somewhat. If you are going to play poker I would only play live.

Truer words were never spoken, how many days til the next Absolute poker scandal, Ultimatebet poker scandal, etc. etc. etc.

Poker pros are the absolute most broke degenerate scums of the earth, putting scamming beneath them is like putting marrying a guy for money beneath a model

I heard TJ Cloutier once sold 100 1k shares of himself (instead of the usual 10 shares to cover the buy in) to the WSOP, then conveniently went out the first day, had he cashed he would've owed 5x the prize amount to his investors

[VegasDave]

I doubt that VD knows what he's talking about.
My understanding is that some bots in head up games are absolutely impossible to beat. The best you can do is tie. That is lose the vig. My guess is beating bots at full tables is a lot harder than beating players.

We'll have to agree to disagree, because I believe your understanding is incorrect as well.

Poker is not like chess. A perfectly programmed chess bot can simulate the game's billion's of possibilities many moves in advance, and can always make the "right move", making them impossible to beat and the best you can do is draw, as you describe.

A brilliantly programmed bot that mixes up its play and plays like a brilliant human is still beatable. Unlike in chess where your opponent's pieces are in clear view, no poker bot will ever know what I have. They can be programmed to react the correct +EV way to virtually every situation, but they are still beatable. And the cards can still fall any way in the short term that could lead to a bot's defeat (Bot could correctly push all in with two pair making you -EV to call with your flush draw, but you do call and hit your flush).

But I really think you are mistaken about these super-bots. I don't doubt their existence, but in normal $10 and $20 type sit and gos, these bots are merely there to simulate decent +EV strategy over countless hours to grind out a profit. They are nowhere close to unbeatable.

You don't have to believe me of course, but I have nothing to gain from lying about beating some second-rate bots in low-stake sit-n-gos. I'm sure I'm not the only one on this board that has.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Go win the WSOP then , clearly you can outstrategize every poker player on earth and play absolutely flawlessly so that even a computer programmed in every element of game theory for creating perfect strategy so that no strategy you could use would be able to attain an advantage over it will be easy pickens, I'll pay your buy in for half your winnings if you can guarantee a win, hell if u can even guarantee a cash

Who said anything about guaranteeing a win? It was said that bots are impossible to beat. That's quite a different story. I'm already planning on playing in the WSOP. I don't need your help with buyins but thanks for the offer. Also, I'm a proficient programmer. Do you have any comprehension of the complexities of programming a reactionary AI bot that can adjust to players who mix up their style of play? I really don't think you do.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Truer words were never spoken, how many days til the next Absolute poker scandal, Ultimatebet poker scandal, etc. etc. etc.

Poker pros are the absolute most broke degenerate scums of the earth, putting scamming beneath them is like putting marrying a guy for money beneath a model

I heard TJ Cloutier once sold 100 1k shares of himself (instead of the usual 10 shares to cover the buy in) to the WSOP, then conveniently went out the first day, had he cashed he would've owed 5x the prize amount to his investors

How many poker pros do you know personally? I'd argue that you're dead wrong but I play for a living in Vegas and only know about 300. I'm sure you must know more and aren't simply generalizing.

[raydog]

heres a good thread at 2p2 about bots. shit i cant remember if i or someone posted it already on page 1 and im too lazy to look. anyways,here it is.... http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/42...r-bots-265852/

i dont worry much about them. ive been playing 30-40 hours a week, for the last 5 years, anywhere from 5/10 to 25/50 nl and omaha. they dont seem near as prevalent at these prices. believe me, you make 1 or 2 awkward plays and someone reports your play as odd. you dont answer someone talking to you and its odd. poker is as profitable now as ever because it has taken the young kids by storm. monkey, ill hook up with you in a few months for some dinner or daily tourneys if thats cool. gotta get hoops outta the way before i can leave town.

[reno cool]

Truer words were never spoken, how many days til the next Absolute poker scandal, Ultimatebet poker scandal, etc. etc. etc.

Poker pros are the absolute most broke degenerate scums of the earth, putting scamming beneath them is like putting marrying a guy for money beneath a model

I heard TJ Cloutier once sold 100 1k shares of himself (instead of the usual 10 shares to cover the buy in) to the WSOP, then conveniently went out the first day, had he cashed he would've owed 5x the prize amount to his investors

I think you're generally right. One would assume that a site sponsored or owned by multi-million dollar celebrity poker players would have standards. Instead it's more likely a platform for scamming.

[MonkeyF0cker]

How so, reno?

[MonkeyF0cker]

This is the equivalent argument to saying that all books have rigged casinos. One of my friends made that claim after being +$10,000 playing $50-$100 hands of blackjack on an online casino recently, only to lose it all back. I asked him, "If it's rigged, how did you get up $10,000 then?" Some people just don't stop and think.

[reno cool]

I'm not saying they have rigged software. But I know they're hard to get a hold of. There's no reason they should be giving anybody the run around.
There has been multiple stories of pros cheating and running scams. I don't know if anything like that is happening at FT. But at this point I would guess the pros and their associates are not there to promote the game and provide a nice environment for players.
I wish I could be more specific about this and the bots, but for now thats all.