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you never really say anything other than ripping what others say
you have 8 years of evidence to use for your case
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what strawman is that? you learned a new term eh. you could have used it during the last 8 years if your head wasnt upyour own ass.
the strawman is the maker of this thread, so i suppose its not a strawman afterall.
why are you here? do you bet sports? seriouslyComment -
So when i prove that i dont think like my "party" wants me to on important and much debated platforms, i am still a brainwashed robot of the party? Funny coming from people that do not stray even 1 degree from Rush's POV.Comment -
i dont know what media matters means, so try again.
i watch daily show maybe once a month.
so try another "generalization"
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I am also against sending billions in military aid to Israel. Which both parties support. So which party brainwashed me there?
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dude, losturmarbles parrots cato institute, not rush limbaugh. he is another free market , no tax jackasComment -
So what are ur stands on major issues so i can see which party brainwashed u? I have a feeling they are biased 100% towards 1 party.Comment -
Obama's been on the job less than two months. Excuse me while I go push the panic button!Comment -
What issues? Death penalty, abortion, illegals, Israel, etc.Comment -
Apparently if u believe that Obama hasnt failed already u are a brainwashed nincumpoop. But if u believe Bush failed after 8 years u are a pink commie.
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those arent really big issues to me daggerkobe
we should not send one dime to israel, or any other state, for weapons
food aid and medicine is ok, but sending one dollar to any ME country is stupid.
death penalty is fine with me as long as you have the crime on tape, and there is no doubt the person committed the crime. abortion isnt a govt issue, its a woman issue. its happened for thousands of years, if they make it illegal, women will find ways to do it, they will swallow bleach, they will put wire hangers up their cunnys, dont try to legislate womens lives.
if there wasnt a demand for illegals, they wouldnt come hereComment -
these are the major issues?
death penalty - i personally have no problem condoning executions of murderers. i think they should be done publicly on live television in the middle of the day, not in the middle of the night bullshit. however, i don't think the government has the right to decide who lives or dies so i think ultimately these people should be locked in a hole till they die.
abortion - personally i think its murder and the mother has no right to choose to end the life of a fetus. unfortunately many people think that since the babies are not born yet they do not constitute a life, so therefore it's not murder. so it brings the dilemma of deciding when life begins? i can accept that the government not make that decision and not get involved. and let doctors decide. which is pretty close to what we have now. but that goes both ways. if a doctor or hospital or whatever decides to not perform abortions, they shouldnt be forced to by the government or punished for not doing it. this is a clear example of why government should have no role in health care.
illegals - should follow the law and stop being illegal. the illegal alien problem will fix itself if we fix government. i dont have a problem with people coming to america to work, to live, to make money. i do have a problem with government using tax money to pay for their health care, education, food, etc. but those are problems that apply to everyone not just illegals. if you get government out out health care, out of education, and out of welfare, then you won't have a problem with illegal aliens.
israel is israel. i'm pretty much against the government sending anything to anybody. off the top of my head i can't think of a time where it would be our government's responsibility to do so. unless we are at war. and government sending aid to whoever is a no-no.Comment -
See, you were brainwashed by your party.Comment -
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these are the major issues?
death penalty - i personally have no problem condoning executions of murderers. i think they should be done publicly on live television in the middle of the day, not in the middle of the night bullshit. however, i don't think the government has the right to decide who lives or dies so i think ultimately these people should be locked in a hole till they die.
MOVE TO SAUDI ARABIA AND CONVERT TO WAHABISM. YOU WILL LOVE IT.
abortion - personally i think its murder and the mother has no right to choose to end the life of a fetus. unfortunately many people think that since the babies are not born yet they do not constitute a life, so therefore it's not murder. so it brings the dilemma of deciding when life begins? i can accept that the government not make that decision and not get involved. and let doctors decide. which is pretty close to what we have now. but that goes both ways. if a doctor or hospital or whatever decides to not perform abortions, they shouldnt be forced to by the government or punished for not doing it. this is a clear example of why government should have no role in health care.
WHEN YOU GET PREGNANT BY A RAPIST I HOPE YOU RAISE YOUR RAPIST'S CHILD BECAUSE YOU CAN'T END LIFE OR RAISE A KID WITH TERMINAL DISEASE AND GO BROKE BECAUSE AS A MOTHER YOU CAN'T CHOSE WHAT'S BEST FOR YOU AND THE CHILD.
illegals - should follow the law and stop being illegal. the illegal alien problem will fix itself if we fix government. i dont have a problem with people coming to america to work, to live, to make money. i do have a problem with government using tax money to pay for their health care, education, food, etc. but those are problems that apply to everyone not just illegals. if you get government out out health care, out of education, and out of welfare, then you won't have a problem with illegal aliens.
ILLEGALS ARE HERE BECAUSE US FIRMS ARE HIRING THEM FOR LOW WAGES. MOST BUSINESS OWNERS THAT HIRE ILLEGALS ARE REPUBLICANS.
israel is israel. i'm pretty much against the government sending anything to anybody. off the top of my head i can't think of a time where it would be our government's responsibility to do so. unless we are at war. and government sending aid to whoever is a no-no.
WHY I AS A TAX PAYER HAVE TO PAY FOR ANOTHER COUNTRY'S SECURITY WHEN THAT COUNTRY DOESN'T OFFER ME ANYTHING IN RETURN EXCEPT FOR MASSIVE PONZI SCHEME SCAMMERS?Last edited by pavyracer; 03-11-09, 09:41 PM.Comment -
pavy why quote me if youre not going to rebut what i originally said?
stick to posting comments in jest, youre not capable of having a rational discussion.Comment -
anyone who disagrees with marbuls is irrational
thats the way it is
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this statement seems a bit contradictory. The whole issue is whether the govt should be in the business of killing citizens. I mean no one is saying that they like murderers.these are the major issues?
death penalty - i personally have no problem condoning executions of murderers. i think they should be done publicly on live television in the middle of the day, not in the middle of the night bullshit. however, i don't think the government has the right to decide who lives or dies so i think ultimately these people should be locked in a hole till they die.
abortion - personally i think its murder and the mother has no right to choose to end the life of a fetus. unfortunately many people think that since the babies are not born yet they do not constitute a life, so therefore it's not murder. so it brings the dilemma of deciding when life begins? i can accept that the government not make that decision and not get involved. and let doctors decide. which is pretty close to what we have now. but that goes both ways. if a doctor or hospital or whatever decides to not perform abortions, they shouldnt be forced to by the government or punished for not doing it. this is a clear example of why government should have no role in health care.
illegals - should follow the law and stop being illegal. the illegal alien problem will fix itself if we fix government. i dont have a problem with people coming to america to work, to live, to make money. i do have a problem with government using tax money to pay for their health care, education, food, etc. but those are problems that apply to everyone not just illegals. if you get government out out health care, out of education, and out of welfare, then you won't have a problem with illegal aliens.
israel is israel. i'm pretty much against the government sending anything to anybody. off the top of my head i can't think of a time where it would be our government's responsibility to do so. unless we are at war. and government sending aid to whoever is a no-no.
I hope the first two aren't major issues for the prez, they certainly aren't for me.bird bird da bird's da wordComment -
Do you notice how anytime any criticism is levied towards Obama about the TRILLIONS he is spending wastefully SINCE HE BECAME PRESIDENT, liberal democrats always change the subject and respond saying that Bush left him with an awful mess. They don't want to keep the subject about Obama because even they can't defend what he has done in his first 50 days.
Lets examine this "awful mess" that Bush allegedly left us with. When did this "mess" start and who is really responsible for it?
The democrats took control of both houses of congress after the 2006 mid-term elections. Since Bush no longer had the votes in congress to pass any ultra-conservative measures, if the liberal democrats want to blame this whole mess on Bush, then they have to prove that this mess was generated from things that were done before November 2006.
Pinpointing the exact cause of this financial meltdown is not as easy as one would think but clearly the ultra-loose lending practices played a huge role. While its clear that the democrats are more to blame for this since they pressured banks into making more loans for those with higher default rates (those with lower incomes along with blacks and hispanics), lets give the democrats every possible break and say that both republicans and democrats were equally to blame.
What exactly did Bush do prior to the 2006 mid-term elections that makes him responsible for this mess?
The Dow was trading around 12,000 in November 2006 and climbed each month until it peaked in October 2007 around 14,000. Since then the bottom has fallen out of the stock market with the GREATEST LOSSES taking place after Obama won the election (Dow was 9,625 on election day and is currently a shade under 7,000 today). Since the financial markets normally price in future events as opposed to what is happening currently, it is saying that the vast majority of the problem has taken place since early 2008.
NOBODY is blaming Barack Obama for this economic crisis. What he is being blamed for is making the crisis worse and digging our country into a deeper and deeper hole with the TRILLIONS of new wasteful government spending that has taken place in such a short time since he became president. This wasteful spending will NOT dig our country out of this mess but only make things worse.
Doing nothing about the problem is far better than digging our country into a deeper and deeper hole. Either democrats can't understand this or they just don't want to.
When I hear left-wingers like Pavyracer say all this wasteful pork spending is good for the economy, it makes me want to cringe.
Driving our country into a bigger and bigger deficit was bad for the country when Bush and the republicans were doing it and its bad for the country now that Obama and the democrats are doing it.
How anybody can praise Obama for all the hard-earned taxpayer money that he has wasted is sickening.Last edited by andywend; 03-12-09, 03:06 AM.Comment -
I do not see that as a sign of booming economy as the national debt was rising. I see that as a bubble, nothing else. Bush presidency was a total failure as he was unable to identify and stop (or maybe he was not motivated to do so) the Ponzi scheme played by the Federal Reserve. It is mind boggling that supposedly Republican president had monetary policy developed by Keynesian economists since Keynesians despise and oppose the free market which, in turn, is supposedly a foundation of Republican Party economic policy. He has worked hard to make his future plea of ignorance to be very believable yet he might have been in the take as well.
It is important to understand that The Feds and The Treasury's leadership is appointed by the President and it is up to the President what those folks do. We all know how democratic Congress was [sarcasm]working hard on growing the middle class and creating a society of owners[/sarcasm] but it is, again, mind boggling how much Bush administration was involved in economically insane housing support programs. Incidentally (?), those programs at some point turned out to be the best paths for the credit flood that The Fed created.
Yes, the troubles did not start with Bush but it got much worse while he was in the office and, again, the booming stock market is not a sign of his success but rather the evidence of his faults. Yes, Obama is making this mess even worse but it is not his fault that the markets are falling. Yes, he is adding to the process but the main reason for the stock market's fall is that it falls from artificial highs that it should not have reached in the first place if it was not for the cheap money flowing in.
While I share with the Republicans their economic agenda, I see Bush's two terms as an economical disaster in the making. While I share very little with the Democrats and disapprove most of the things that they and Obama do, I disagree with faulting Obama in the falling markets.Comment -
andywend has to be the dumbest ever, besides pizza boy.
Were the Democrats in charge when Bush ignored 9/11 warnings costing the US thousands of innocent lives and $30 BILLION in cleanup afterwards?
Were the Democrats in charge when Bush FIRED the Fannie Mae regulator who had warned of the impending subprime crisis in 2003?
Were the Democrats in charge when Dumbya invaded Iraq which cost the US not only thousands of soldiers lives but $600 BILLION? This unnecessary war will cost the tax payers an estimated $1.5 TRILLION!!!!!!
Were the Democrats in charge in 2004 when SEC relaxed rules that enabled investment banks to substantially increase the level of debt, fueling the growth in mortgage backed securities supporting subprime mortgages?
Were the Democrats in charge in 2004 when HUD increased "affordable housing" from 50% to 56% in the face of warnings from HUD researchers of the subprime crisis??????
You're a retard.Comment -
whats the point in arguing. at least data clearly doesnt suck bush's dick and spew out talking points. you can debate him, even though he is a free market dude.
andywend is a brain dead dittohead. put him on ignore.Comment -
^ dont disagree with SBR's resident menstruating estrogen laced babyComment -
When I post messages, one of my goals is to word them in such a manner that will enrage brain-dead liberals like DaggerKobe and Ryan XL. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!
Data, I agree with you that the Bush administration and the congressional republicans in charge during his first 6 years completely abandoned true conservative principles and wound up helping the democratic party more than they could ever help themselves. I was so outraged by their actions that I refrained from voting in the 2006 mid-terms and I was pleased that congressional republicans lost their power. THEY ABSOLUTELY DESERVED IT!!!
I disagree with your statement that Obama shouldn't be held responsible for the 3,000 point drop that occurred in the financial markets since he won the election.
Obama and the democrats passing TRILLION DOLLAR ear-marked/pork-filled legislation was partially responsible along with Obama doing absolutely nothing to calm market jitters.
You'll notice that as soon as he said "now is a great time to buy stock if you have a long term horizon", the Dow has gone up 600 points in 3 days. It went up because Obama is finally telling the financial markets that he does NOT want them to fail (even though I still feel he does).
At what point will Obama be judged by his actions? As long as people continue to blame Bush, Obama is going to keep spending TRILLIONS wastefully and drive our country into a deeper and deeper hole.
I understand why the liberal democrats supported that 8,500+ earmarked stimulus bill because they are PUPPETS and will do whatever their liberal democratic MASTERS tell them. However, everyone else needs to tell Obama and the congressional democrats to stop with the earmarks and pork and to start spending taxpayer money wisely.
DaggerKobe, you have asked those same 3 questions on multiple posts and I have answered them on several different occassions so I am NOT going to waste my time doing so again.Comment -
save time and just post a link to rush limbaughs daily transcripts mouth breather.Comment -
Ryan, your avatar describes you perfectly. GOOD CHOICE!!!Comment
