this discussion is horse#@%$. as of this very minute if any of you clowns came home from work to find tom brady fvucking your girl you would be ashamed of yourselves for not offering him a cold beverage and you know it!
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teams i think can beat the pats..................03. Colts - If they have a rematch again in the RCA dome, I think the Colts will win, they had the first game but let it slip away...
2. Ravens - They got the Pats at home on a Monday night, Like what the Colts showed us, Speed kills on defense, the Colts slowed the Pats offense down with speed rushers, yes, about the Raven's offense?, I think they came back to life with Boller starting now, he got escape ability and a arm that McNair lacks, Look for the Raven's to be hyped up and try to spoil the Pats dream season...
1. Steelers - to bad the game is in Foxworth, or this will be the game of the year.Their defense is aggressive, maybe that can cause some turnovers, The Steelers have some offense too, yeah I know they're over-rated...
if the Pats can pass those 3 teams, I think its a lock that they go undefeated, unless they got the home field advanage in the playoff and rest the players....Comment -
3. Colts aren't healthy. If they're able to get healthy, they'd have a shot. Probably not in Foxboro, but I'd at least give them a sluggers chance especially if Marvin is back to anywhere near 100%.3. Colts - If they have a rematch again in the RCA dome, I think the Colts will win, they had the first game but let it slip away...
2. Ravens - They got the Pats at home on a Monday night, Like what the Colts showed us, Speed kills on defense, the Colts slowed the Pats offense down with speed rushers, yes, about the Raven's offense?, I think they came back to life with Boller starting now, he got escape ability and a arm that McNair lacks, Look for the Raven's to be hyped up and try to spoil the Pats dream season...
1. Steelers - to bad the game is in Foxworth, or this will be the game of the year.Their defense is aggressive, maybe that can cause some turnovers, The Steelers have some offense too, yeah I know they're over-rated...
if the Pats can pass those 3 teams, I think its a lock that they go undefeated, unless they got the home field advanage in the playoff and rest the players....
2. You're kidding right?
1. Pittsburgh has not played well on the road all year. I give them no chance at Foxboro.Comment -
3. Colts - If they have a rematch again in the RCA dome, I think the Colts will win, they had the first game but let it slip away...
2. Ravens - They got the Pats at home on a Monday night, Like what the Colts showed us, Speed kills on defense, the Colts slowed the Pats offense down with speed rushers, yes, about the Raven's offense?, I think they came back to life with Boller starting now, he got escape ability and a arm that McNair lacks, Look for the Raven's to be hyped up and try to spoil the Pats dream season...
1. Steelers - to bad the game is in Foxworth, or this will be the game of the year.Their defense is aggressive, maybe that can cause some turnovers, The Steelers have some offense too, yeah I know they're over-rated...
if the Pats can pass those 3 teams, I think its a lock that they go undefeated, unless they got the home field advanage in the playoff and rest the players....
If the Pats have ANY weakness whatsoever, its the fact that they are very reliant upon their passing attack, ie, Tom Brady. The guy is on fire this year, but he is still a human being...what if he gets injured (I know, hard to happen when he never gets touched) and Matt Cassel has to enter the game. I think Pitt or Indy or Jax would stand a chance under that circumstance, but no other....Comment -
I'll take the 20 points the Packers will get from the Pats in the Super Bowl. Otherwise, I'll be laying the wood. I don't care if they set the line at Pats -55 when they play Miami, I'll bet the Pats.Comment -
There's no way Pittsburgh will defeat New England. Pittsburgh looks great on paper, but their inconsistent performance from week to week reveals the truth: Pittsburgh isn't as good as they think they are.
New England will destroy Pittsburgh on December 9, 2008.Comment -
I wouldn't put a whole lot of $$ on that statement, cuz I think you're going to be surprised. Pittsburgh will run the ball on this Patriots team - a team that is giving up 4.2 yards per rush, thus controling the clock and the time the NE offense is on the field. The Pats have not played a defense close to as good as the Steelers D - except for the Colts, who should have beat them, IMO.Comment -
The only surprise will be the number of points that New England will destroy Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh looks great on paper, but watch the last few games that Pittsburgh has played and it's clear: Pittsburgh plays inconsistent football from week to week. It's always one of the following variables:
1. Special teams can't provide effective punt return coverage and enables their opponents to gain significant yardage on the punt return or score touchdowns.
2. The offensive line can't effectively block and protect the quarterback leading to sacks and fumbles.
3. The defense isn't effective in stopping the pass.
Pittsburgh is an inferior team compared to New England. I don't believe there will be any surprises with the upcoming game against Pittsburgh and New England.
New England will destroy Pittsburgh.Comment -
O yeah I forgot about the Eagles...They can replace the Ravens...lolComment -
Rugby said Philly... Just sayin.Comment -
It's hard to have a real "conversation" with you on this topic when you make statements like No. 3 above. Check the stats, friend, Pittsburgh not only has the No. 1 defense in the league, but is also No. 1 in pass defense - ah, so, I'm unclear how you've determined that they are ineffective in stopping the pass? Visit nfl.com/stats
Oh, and if a sorry team like Philly can do to NE what they did on SNF, I, once again, wouldn't place a whole lotta cash one the Steelers being "destroyed" on Dec. 9th.
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It's hard to have a real "conversation" with you on this topic when you make statements like No. 3 above. Check the stats, friend, Pittsburgh not only has the No. 1 defense in the league, but is also No. 1 in pass defense - ah, so, I'm unclear how you've determined that they are ineffective in stopping the pass? Visit nfl.com/stats
Oh, and if a sorry team like Philly can do to NE what they did on SNF, I, once again, wouldn't place a whole lotta cash one the Steelers being "destroyed" on Dec. 9th.
The stats are irrelevant. Historical performance is not a guarantee of future accomplishment. I'd suggest you re-watch the last few games the Steelers played such as the NY Jets and the Cleveland Browns.
If your conclusion is the Steelers are still as dominant as you're so fond of quoting e.g., Steelers are #1 in blah, blah, blah, it's clear you have no idea what you're talking about.
The reality is the Steelers have been unable to maintain any consistency in their level of play or performance during the 2nd half of the NFL season. The Steelers lost to a 1-8 NY Jets and were fortunate to win against the Cleveland Browns when the Browns missed a field goal in the final seconds of the 4th quarter.
It's not even a question who will win when Pittsburgh plays against New England on December 9th. It's how many points New England will destroy Pittsburgh.Comment -
I hear the Steelers overlooked the Jets argument, but the reality is the Steelers shouldn't be overlooking anyone. They have shown us against Arizona, Denver, against Cleveland (a game they should have lost), and against the Jets that they have some key inconsistencies.
A lot of things need to go right for the Steelers to be dominant. Big Ben needs to get better protection, and they need to have success running the ball. If you take out either one of those things, it will be very hard for the Steelers to make a legitimate run at a championship this year. They also have gaping holes in their special teams coverage.
This is not a team that can beat you many different ways, this team reminds me of a slightly worse version of the Jacksonville Jaguars. Both have very similar head coaches in their philosophies and style of play, but so far Jacksonville has impressed me more. And no, I do not like the Steelers over the Patriots. It may not be an all out beating, but it easily could be.Comment -
None of what you have said above makes any sense whatsoever.
If "historical performance is not a guarentee of future accomplishment" then why do you think the Patriots are going to win? Ah, I'm guessing that your thinking is based on past performance?
And, while you may be correct in that the Steelers have lost a couple they definately shouldn't have, the original point in your original statement you made was that the Steelers are ineffective in pass defense. Regardless of whether you have an respect for stats or not - stats at the very least are based in fact - not opinion - and according to the facts, the Steelers are the best team in the NFL in pass defense.
You final statement is the least smart of the lot - as anyone who has any knowledge of football knows that there is no sure thing in the NFL. Just ask the Eagles.Comment -
None of what you have said above makes any sense whatsoever.
If "historical performance is not a guarentee of future accomplishment" then why do you think the Patriots are going to win? Ah, I'm guessing that your thinking is based on past performance?
And, while you may be correct in that the Steelers have lost a couple they definately shouldn't have, the original point in your original statement you made was that the Steelers are ineffective in pass defense. Regardless of whether you have an respect for stats or not - stats at the very least are based in fact - not opinion - and according to the facts, the Steelers are the best team in the NFL in pass defense.
You final statement is the least smart of the lot - as anyone who has any knowledge of football knows that there is no sure thing in the NFL. Just ask the Eagles.
It's understandable what I have written does not make any sense to you. That's why I would encourage you to watch a few more football games and continue your education.
Also, I would suggest you re-read what I have written. The original commentary that I wrote regarding the ineffective pass coverage of the Steelers is concerning one of the three reasons that has contributed to the inconsistent performance of the Steelers and more importantly, the basis for my conclusion that New England will destroy Pittsburgh on December 9th.
If you have to ask why I think New England will destroy Pittsburgh, it's obvious you're clueless. It's not only my opinion, but the opinons of the experts in the sportsbooks / oddsmaker in Las Vegas. The spread and money lines for the Pittsburgh vs. New England game on December 9th will corroborate my conclusion.
In the NFL, there are absolutes or " sure things ", let me educate you on a few:
1. New England will destroy Pittsburgh on December 9th for the above reasons that I have previously mentioned: (a) Pittsburgh's special teams is unable to effectively execute punt return coverage, (b) Pittsburgh's offensive line is unable to protect the QB leading to sacks and fumbles, and (c) Pittsburgh's defensive backs are ineffective in pass coverage.
2. Stats do not reflect the level of difficulty in the team's schedule. If a team's schedule consists of weak opponents in the beginning of the NFL season, the stats will reflect a highly favorable result when the weak opponents are defeated.
This is the main contributor to the distorted stats regarding the Steelers performance. The Steelers look great on paper, but if you watched the Pittsburgh games against NY Jets, Cleveland, Arizona, and Denver, there is ample evidence to support the conclusion that there is nothing dominant or #1 regarding the Steelers level of play or performance.
The reality is Pittsburgh is an inconsistent performing team and at best, an average team in the AFC. Therefore, stats are misleading and irrelevant when the calculation is based on Pittsburgh defeating weak opponents.
Last, there's no need to insinuate or make any implicit personal attacks. Believe me, I'm alot smarter than you'll ever be.Comment -
How on earth could you possibly conclude from a few posts on a football forum that you are a lot ( which is incidentally two words) smarter than I'll ever be? Yep, that's an intelligent conclusion based on the same great research you've used for your football analysis.
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I think NE is going 16-0 so no one will beat them this year but the teams that can, in my opinion, are teams with an agressive blitzing defense like:
Jags-- Blitzing D but the offense is balanced and does well at throwing the inside slants...
Steelers-- Not only a Blitzing D but they have DB's that can cover... The offense can move the ball in the air and on the ground to control the game...
Colts-- They blitz but not as agressive as the other two but they know the Patriots well and how to play them... The Colts turn the tables on NE and put pressure on them to produce... Earlier this year.. they did!
and of course you can't leave out the Eagles...
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Watch out here Shams, cause Destroyer is waaaaaay smarter than us and he knows for absolute certain that the Steelers have no chance against the Pats.Comment -
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I actually think the Eagles running with the Patriots is a bad thing for the Steelers. They won't be able to adopt the same strategy, and I know that's what Tomlin's knucklehead will try, he's a brute force type of guy. Every other word out of his mouth in an interview is "violent."
They will try to come out and duplicate everything the Eagles did, and I just don't see it working. Mike Tomlin is a guy who went and watched the tape of the Super Bowl with Seattle/Pittsburgh before their match up this year (he stated so). He will study the Eagles game, and this isn't smart.
The Patriots already have a head start as they are already finding ways to plug those holes. The Steelers are going to come in and try to test them on those very same fronts. They are not a very diverse unit, they try to out physical you, and I honestly don't think they will keep the game too competitive.Comment -
that's because you have ovaries.Comment -
It is getting very juvenile in here lately. Did school get snowed in this afternoon or has everyone had too much sugar?Comment -
As a female sports fan, I hate it when a man makes it obvious that he thinks he is the smarter one when it comes to sports. And I live in Alabama. I have no knowledge of this stuff you call snow.Comment -
From having coached I can tell you that most coaches won't just come out on the first series and show everything... They will run their standard plays and see what the Defense is doing... If Pittsburgh thinks they can throw slants, curls, crossing routes, or a skinny post they won't try it right away... Not only that they will set it up with an out pattern or something like that...
I think when capping it's very important.. actually most important to study the offense and defensive fronts... That is the grass roots of success or failure NOT the qb, rb, or wr...
For example how quickly do the guards and tackle pull, how do they and the RB's pick up a blitz, and how are they at pass blocking against certain fronts.. On the defensive side: how agressive is their scheme, does the line stunt, how do they react to motion, how fast are they from sideline to sideline.. yada yada... You can really get a solid idea of how a game will go if you study these elements which takes too much film watching and I am too lazy for that... This is why I bet in game and halfs...
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Pittsburgh is the only team that they have left that really has a legit shot at beating them because of their defense can slow New England down and if you can pass protect you can beat New England because their secondary is just average. Everyone else that New England has left is not very good at all.Comment -
Of course, sometimes, those are the teams that end up beating you.Comment -
Steelers Suck!!!
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From having coached I can tell you that most coaches won't just come out on the first series and show everything... They will run their standard plays and see what the Defense is doing... If Pittsburgh thinks they can throw slants, curls, crossing routes, or a skinny post they won't try it right away... Not only that they will set it up with an out pattern or something like that...
I think when capping it's very important.. actually most important to study the offense and defensive fronts... That is the grass roots of success or failure NOT the qb, rb, or wr...
For example how quickly do the guards and tackle pull, how do they and the RB's pick up a blitz, and how are they at pass blocking against certain fronts.. On the defensive side: how agressive is their scheme, does the line stunt, how do they react to motion, how fast are they from sideline to sideline.. yada yada... You can really get a solid idea of how a game will go if you study these elements which takes too much film watching and I am too lazy for that... This is why I bet in game and halfs...
I think as far as the defensive skills you've mentioned, the Steelers have a quick, albeit light, defense. Their schemes are built around their quickness and they give up the weight aspect to do this. And of course, they are extremely agressive - it is practically their moniker.
It's certainly no given that Pittsburgh can beat the Patriots - but I think it's more than possible. In all sports - even when I'm out playing dart tournments - average players get way up and play out of their socks to beat the top players. It's that way in any sport. New England is the standard this season and every team they play is completely phyched to beat them. If the Steelers play top-notch defense and can run the ball and control the clock, I say they win.Comment
