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  • MonkeyF0cker
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    • 06-12-07
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    #36
    I agree with adding the Red Sox to your ML parlays. I've got them on the run line tomorrow. In fact, I would play the Sox well before I would play UCLA. I really think there's an upset brewing there. I may play W. Kentucky ML...
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    • MonkeyF0cker
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      • 06-12-07
      • 12144

      #37
      Originally posted by YoungMoney23
      What are we going to do when college ball is over?


      Baseball?
      Of course, its my favorite season of the year.
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      • stingyrivers
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        • 01-15-08
        • 1240

        #38
        UCLA if they lose this game, imo would be the dumbest group of players in the history of the game, either that or the most arrogant....

        i will be on the sox tomorrow too, i guess it's more gut than anything, but it almost seems like it is scripted that the sox and dice k get the win tomorrow....
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        • imgv94
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          • 11-16-05
          • 17192

          #39
          Originally posted by stingyrivers
          ok....

          next question to the crew....

          i know we will be all over UCLA in our plays this week, so... do we trust Hubert Davis who has seemed to fall in love with Western Kentucky and predicts them to upset the bruins this week?


          imgv, do you mean i should stick with just

          UCLA
          Kansas
          UNC

          at -180
          ??
          A sunbelt team isn't going to beat UCLA. I mean at least I don't think so anything can happen of course but the Bruins got their scare already they are focused. Plus they have a powerhouse defense and world class coach thats always good to have.. I'd be floored if UCLA lost. Would also be floored if Villanova beat Kansas as well.


          Now about your wager, how about putting 20% of what you are planning to wager on that -180 parlay? Then with the rest of your money bet what you want. It will be like a safety net just in case..

          Nonetheless GL brother
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          • imgv94
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            • 11-16-05
            • 17192

            #40
            Originally posted by YoungMoney23
            What are we going to do when college ball is over?


            Baseball?
            Baseball is a whole different animal. I'm still inexperienced when it comes to baseball with only seriously wagering on it for two seasons. I do know of a couple of people who are worth following one person inparticular especially.

            With baseball there is no sense of urgency and no home field advantage and with even the bad teams winning at least 43% of their games it's really hard to pinpoint safe MLs. Well at least IMO.

            Even the worst teams in the league win at 43% or so clip.

            I'm looking forward to betting ML parlays in Football, both college and NFL but especially college and especially Pac-10,WAC and Mountain West.
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            • stingyrivers
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              • 01-15-08
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              #41
              that is an extremely sound suggestion... i think i will do that, except put 30% on the -180 parlay, that way if whatever else i put in loses, i get half my total money back.... thanks
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              • imgv94
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                • 11-16-05
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                #42
                when the NBA lines come out I will be making my first parlay..

                Utah Jazz (NBA)
                UCLA
                Wisconsin

                For 2 units..
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                • diogee
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                  • 01-11-08
                  • 19477

                  #43
                  Detroit and Denver might be good options on Thursday but I imagine that the Detroit line will be very steep.
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                  • YoungMoney23
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                    • 01-02-08
                    • 627

                    #44
                    Tonight there arent many good options buttt....

                    Hornets ML
                    Syracuse ML

                    might try that out small, just for kicks
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                    • imgv94
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                      • 11-16-05
                      • 17192

                      #45
                      YTD: 195-137 +20.72 Units
                      Tournament: 11-8 +2.71 Units

                      2+ unit plays this season: 5-2

                      This will be a very important week for me as I will have multiple larger unit wagers. Like the matchups quite a bit this week hopefully things work out.




                      2.1* ML Parlay (-138)
                      Utah Jazz (NBA Tuesday)
                      UCLA
                      Wisconsin


                      Starting out with this wager, will likely add more on Wisconsin as I extremely like their chances versus Davidson. As always will larger unit plays I mention my reasoning for it:

                      Very simple reasoning for Utah:


                      Utah: 30-4 @ Home
                      Charlotte: 6-27 on road

                      Utah is thriving in the much better Western Conference while Charlotte is struggling in the Eastern Conference. Utah teams in general are simply nuts at home..


                      UCLA: Notice a lot of people predicting a WKY upset, I can't fathom it. UCLA has too much of an inside presence for Western Kentucky. UCLA had their scare and now are focused and know they can't give anything less than a 100% and expect to win. Ben Howland is a world class coach who knows when to take timeouts, knows what defensive strategies to set in place. UCLA basically played 5 vs 2 the other day against A&M. Collision and Love were the only two were effective offensively and they STILL WON.. UCLA just finds ways to win even things don't work out.

                      I'll admit Josh Shipp and Mbah Moute will need to contribute offensively and with their recent play especially in the last game thats a mystery. Kevin Love is going to be the difference in this game, Howland is going to get him the ball a lot down in the paint and Love is going to put the WKY big men in foul trouble. Should be a long night for Western Kentucky. UCLA is the best defense they have seen all year and I can see this team get frustrated with hands in their faces and on their balls? haha


                      Wisky: Bo Ryan who IMO is one of the most underrated coaches in CBB witnessed how Davidson beat Zaga and G'Town and will know what to do and what NOT to do so they don't suffer the same fate. Davidson should of never won that game versus G'town or Gonzaga for that matter. G'town beat themselves with 20 turnovers and dumb play late in the game. In this game Davidson's Stephen Curry will be defended by defensive specialist Michael Flowers who has been looking forward to defending Curry.

                      For Davidson to win they will need Curry to put up HUGE numbers, I mean c'mon Davidson was life or death to defeat Zaga it took a 40pt game from Curry to barely defeat Zaga. It took a +16 turnover margin, 22pt 2nd half performance from Curry, and some horrific Free throw shooting from G'Town to barely win that one.. Davidson has been dodging bullets and defeating teams who basically defeated themselves. Wisky's man to man defensive style is going to give Davidson fits.


                      Wisky is 31-4 this season and has a solid resume. They defeated Texas on the road, destroyed Georgia and Kansas State. Wisky is no slouch. Bo Ryan is no dummy he has watched the film on Davidson and will have his team ready to defeat an overachieving Davidson team who has needed two amazing performances from Curry to barely beat their last two opponets. If Curry has another smash up game against Flowers than God Bless him..




                      Take care.
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                      • YoungMoney23
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                        • 01-02-08
                        • 627

                        #46
                        looks nice bro
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                        • imgv94
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                          • 11-16-05
                          • 17192

                          #47
                          ADDING:

                          1.2* Teaser (-120)
                          Xavier +9
                          Memphis +3.5
                          Stanford +10


                          0.6* ML Parlay (-106)
                          Lakers (NBA Wednesday)
                          Louisville
                          Kansas
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                          • diogee
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                            • 01-11-08
                            • 19477

                            #48
                            Thursday NBA: Denver and Detroit look pretty solid to me.

                            Friday NBA: Utah, San Antonio, Toronto, and the Lakeshow are pretty solid choices.
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                            • imgv94
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                              • 11-16-05
                              • 17192

                              #49
                              No more Lakers for me
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                              • diogee
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                                • 01-11-08
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                                #50
                                Yeah that will probably be steep enough to make me play on Memphis plus the points....Memphis is just 5-30 on the road though.
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                                • WestsidePete
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                                  #51
                                  got a like the nuggets ml at home vs the mavs...mavs still haven't won a game vs a team over .500 since getting jason kidd and there will be no worries about motivation from the nuggets in this one...

                                  so leans are
                                  xavier +1
                                  lou ml

                                  ml parlay
                                  nuggets
                                  ucla
                                  unc

                                  3 team teaser
                                  xavier +9
                                  unc -0.5
                                  lou +5
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                                  • imgv94
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                                    • 11-16-05
                                    • 17192

                                    #52
                                    WP,

                                    what do you think of my teaser?

                                    X +9
                                    Mem +3.5
                                    Stan +10

                                    you are a teaser guy so I value your opinion on this.
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                                    • MrFresh
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                                      • 02-27-08
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                                      #53
                                      Why is everyone so high on Memphis i just dont see them beating a Mich st team that beat a really hot pitts team. Memphis barely pulled it off against Miss st. I think ima stay away from memphis.
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                                      • WestsidePete
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                                        • 07-19-07
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                                        #54
                                        Originally posted by imgv94
                                        WP,

                                        what do you think of my teaser?

                                        X +9
                                        Mem +3.5
                                        Stan +10

                                        you are a teaser guy so I value your opinion on this.
                                        I like X +9 and Stan +10 but personally think Mich St upsets Mem..or at least pushes it until the end and loses a very close one...the stats are pretty much the same..except for ft shooting of course...Mich St was not supposed to beat Pitt so they will be playing with a care free go for it attitude..FT shooting will cost Mem pts again...a few misses very easily could turn a nice lead into a close game...I'd take Mich St +12.5 on the tease play.
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                                        • BigOrangeTitans
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                                          • 11-23-07
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                                          #55
                                          tom izzo = upset special

                                          bware of louisville, this line looks like a trap to me petey. Remember in the big east tourney when everyone was high on them and they suck ass? Just be careful of this.
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                                          • BigOrangeTitans
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                                            • 11-23-07
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                                            #56
                                            UCLA ML is solid
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                                            • WestsidePete
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                                              #57
                                              Originally posted by BigOrangeTitans
                                              tom izzo = upset special

                                              bware of louisville, this line looks like a trap to me petey. Remember in the big east tourney when everyone was high on them and they suck ass? Just be careful of this.
                                              I'm high on Mich St...if Tenn hits their 3's the game can turn in their favor quick...and honestly they haven't played well in a while...I may roll w/Tenn on this one afterall...
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                                              • imgv94
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                                                • 11-16-05
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                                                #58
                                                Originally posted by MrFresh
                                                Why is everyone so high on Memphis i just dont see them beating a Mich st team that beat a really hot pitts team. Memphis barely pulled it off against Miss st. I think ima stay away from memphis.
                                                Believe it's the perfect time to back Memphis. A lot of people are shying away or betting against Memphis becuz of their FT shooting woes. Mississippi St is a damn good team IMO better than Michigan St and Memphis was in control of that game throughout. Final score wasn't indicitive of what happened.
                                                Memphis was ahead 7-13points for most of the 2nd half.

                                                Let's not forget that Memphis is a bonafide top 5 team, in many peoples mind a top 3 team. Their resume includes DD wins versus Oklahoma,Arizona,Georgetown,Zaga and they beat UCONN by 11 at MSG.

                                                They are simply a deep and nasty squad with seven very good players. They have no weaknesses other than FT shooting. They can light up the Scoreboard, shoot the 3, play solid defense plus they rebound the ball as good as anyone.

                                                Roberts,Rose,Dozier,Dorsey,Anderson, Mack, Taggart,Kemp.. All solid fukkin ballplayers

                                                Michigan St relies on their outside shooting too much, Memphis is by FAR the more complete team. Izzo will probably have a smart gameplan that keeps them in the game but if their outside shooters aren't doing all they can they really dont have much of a backup plan with their less than stellar inside game.
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                                                • Wassymac
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                                                  #59
                                                  So you honestly would take Mississippi St SU on a neutral court against the Spartans? I think this will be a much stiffer challenge for the Tigers than round 2 but you're right they are definitely capable of winning by DD. I think next round is the time to play Memphis if they and Texas both get there.
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                                                  • stingyrivers
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                                                    • 01-15-08
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                                                    #60
                                                    the only sure winner is see is still

                                                    UNC
                                                    Kansas
                                                    Ucla

                                                    but it pays at -200

                                                    i should just dropped everything down on that on monday, trying to be clever about it just put me in the situation of getting all my original money back when that wins.... unbelievable....

                                                    brothers... nothing is safe anymore, Pheonix Suns +17 pts is a loser, you have got to be kidding me, wow the past 3 weeks, is this what they mean by getting hammered????

                                                    hope it turns around real soon, for us all
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                                                    • babaoriley
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                                                      • 12-11-06
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                                                      #61
                                                      OK, I read this thread from start to finish and here are my thoughts, FWIW:

                                                      1) UCLA ML is safe. It would be great to see this Western Kentucky team go to the elite 8... Would make great drama. Well, not gonna happen. UCLA ML is safe.

                                                      2) Kansas ML is NOT safe. Now, I figure KU wins this game about 75% of the time, but I don't want to short-change Nova here. If Reynolds is on, this game could be very, very close. I'm certainly on Nova +12 or whatever number I can get, and I'm certainly teasing them to +19 in a 3-teamer. It's an easy choice. Kansas is NOT 12 points better than a Big-East tourney team that is hot.
                                                      3) Nuggets ML is safe but rising as people are putting the pieces of the puzzle together. HURRY!
                                                      4) Tease Stanford to +9 or whatever. That game will be close, either way, but UT isn;t winning by 10. This is a gimme.
                                                      5) I am not touching that Louisville/Tennessee game, though I may play the total. I think L'Ville wins this one, but this Tennessee team is capable of beating anyone, anywhere. The coaching matchup is even. The talent level is even. The line is set based on prior tourney results as L'Ville has cruised through its first 2 rounds while Tennessee has struggled at times. Stay away game for me, unless I tease.
                                                      6) Dog ML's worth considering: Tenn, Xavier, Nova (small), Stanford


                                                      I have more thoughts, but let me gather them. Great thread as always. Good job guys.
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                                                      • stingyrivers
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                                                        • 01-15-08
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                                                        #62
                                                        thanks for the thoughtful post baba.... i know it is appreciated a lot by all the crew here, i wish i saw it ten minutes ago, i just finished locking in all my plays, and all my roll on these plays as follows:


                                                        UCLA
                                                        Kansas
                                                        UNC

                                                        (35% of roll)

                                                        UCLA
                                                        Kansas
                                                        UNC
                                                        Wisc

                                                        (25% of roll)

                                                        Kansas
                                                        UCLA
                                                        UNC
                                                        Texas

                                                        (20% of roll)

                                                        UCLA
                                                        Kansas
                                                        UNC
                                                        Texas
                                                        Lville

                                                        (10% of roll)

                                                        UCLA
                                                        UNC
                                                        Kansas
                                                        NY Yankees

                                                        (10% of roll)

                                                        and again, i'm all-in.....

                                                        those who have seen my luck in the last few weeks might want to fade me.... either way good luck to everybody and hope everyone cashes this weekend.....


                                                        IMO

                                                        Kansas, UCLA, UNC do not lose in this round, and i am starting to feel strongly that Davidson just doesnt have enough to get by Wiscy..... so i guess it just comes down to Lville and Texas for a clean sweep i hope.... I feel that Texas is arguably in the best 4 or 5 teams in the tourney and Stanford has been exposed a bit by weaker teams lately, Lville and Tenn will likely be an exciting and close one for sure, but i just think Lville led by Pitino and Padgett are the smarter team, which is huge, very crucial in the crunch time of this tourney, even moreso than athleticism......

                                                        the Yankees.... that was a piss poor decision with no value and i guess i just needed to piss away 10% of my roll hopefully to get it out of my system.....

                                                        well, i hope everyone has a great and profitable night....

                                                        thanks again Baba O
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                                                        • stingyrivers
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                                                          • 01-15-08
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                                                          #63
                                                          oh by the way....

                                                          weird thing happened as gametime approaches...

                                                          UCLA ML dropped quite substantially in the last couple hours.... i really don't like the idea that a ton of large money just went on W Kentucky.... hopefully it is some venture capitalist millionaire who figures 'hey W Kent at 7-1 to win and Ucla has been on the verge of losing for weeks, letting it come down to last possession.... worth a shot"

                                                          I really hope to see Shipp and westbrook get their shit together tonight, one thing no one mentions about UCLA close calls is that in all those games they were down by 7 to 14 points at the half and had to mount a huge comeback the whole second half to win by that one possession.... this was the trend in the two Stanford games in reg season, the cal game, the Arizona game and the A/M game last week.... i really hope they recognize this pattern and dont fall asleep at the wheel in the first ten minutes again, and they actually got a 8-10 point lead at the half.....
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                                                          • stingyrivers
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                                                            • 01-15-08
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                                                            #64
                                                            ok now i am just shitting my pants.... if you see my plays, in order to get any cash back into my account i need UNC, UCLA and Kansas all to win, or i am broke if any one of em tanks it.... just stumbled across this gem:

                                                            UCLA worried about status of two starters

                                                            By ASSOCIATED PRESS | March 25, 2008 | 1 comment

                                                            UCLA's Luc Richard Mbah a Moute was set to undergo an MRI on his sprained left ankle and Josh Shipp was recovering from strep throat Monday, putting two of the Bruins' starters at less than full strength.

                                                            Top-seeded UCLA (33-3) plays Western Kentucky (29-6) Thursday night in the NCAA tournament regional semifinals in Phoenix.

                                                            Coach Ben Howland said the MRI on Mbah a Moute was being done as a precaution.

                                                            "His ankle was swollen pretty severely yesterday," he said. "I was surprised and a little bit down by it. We don't anticipate there being any issue."

                                                            Mbah a Moute returned Saturday night against Texas A&M after missing two games. He had two points, eight rebounds, six turnovers and four fouls in 32 minutes of the Bruins' 51-49 second-round victory.

                                                            "It hurt his timing that he hadn't practiced," Howland said. "His rebounding, defense and double-teams created a lot of havoc that helped us. I don't think we can advance much further without him."

                                                            Howland said the junior forward would play Thursday "barring any unforeseen abnormality on the MRI."

                                                            Shipp was given antibiotics for strep throat after Saturday's game, when he was scoreless in 37 minutes but came up with a key block on A&M's final shot to preserve the victory.

                                                            The Bruins didn't practice Monday, but Shipp spent more than an hour working on his shooting, Howland said. The junior forward who averages 12.8 points has been in a prolonged slump, including an 0-for-20 stretch from 3-point range earlier this month.

                                                            Howland said Shipp took about 325 shots, most under game-type conditions, and made 91 of 100 free-throw attempts.

                                                            "He shot it very well," Howland said. "We'll do some extra shooting tomorrow. I probably have waited too long to do that."

                                                            Mbah a Moute, Shipp and guard Russell Westbrook were a combined 3-for-18 against A&M. Westbrook had five points, four rebounds and went 0-for-3 from long-range in 39 minutes. His game-ending dunk was disallowed a day later by the NCAA because the ball didn't leave his hands before time expired.

                                                            Darren Collison and Kevin Love scored 40 of UCLA's 51 points against the Aggies.

                                                            "That's an aberration," Howland said. "We want to get more production out of our other three starters."
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                                                            • babaoriley
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                                                              #65
                                                              Originally posted by stingyrivers
                                                              oh by the way....

                                                              weird thing happened as gametime approaches...

                                                              UCLA ML dropped quite substantially in the last couple hours.... i really don't like the idea that a ton of large money just went on W Kentucky.... hopefully it is some venture capitalist millionaire who figures 'hey W Kent at 7-1 to win and Ucla has been on the verge of losing for weeks, letting it come down to last possession.... worth a shot"

                                                              I really hope to see Shipp and westbrook get their shit together tonight, one thing no one mentions about UCLA close calls is that in all those games they were down by 7 to 14 points at the half and had to mount a huge comeback the whole second half to win by that one possession.... this was the trend in the two Stanford games in reg season, the cal game, the Arizona game and the A/M game last week.... i really hope they recognize this pattern and dont fall asleep at the wheel in the first ten minutes again, and they actually got a 8-10 point lead at the half.....
                                                              Great point. A quick start would also take that "cheer for an upset" portion of the crowd down a couple notches and let the UCLA fans control the crowd a little better. As for your next post about UCLA being down 2 players tonight (possibly), I say great! Keep going down, UCLA ML. Down, down, down...
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                                                              • $Bnizi
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                                                                • 10-22-07
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                                                                #66
                                                                1 Unit Teaser (+120)
                                                                UNC -.5
                                                                Xavier +9.5
                                                                Nova +20
                                                                Stanford +10

                                                                1 Unit ML Parlay (-102)
                                                                UNC
                                                                UCLA
                                                                Wisc
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                                                                • Louisvillekid1
                                                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                                                  • 10-17-07
                                                                  • 52143

                                                                  #67
                                                                  Originally posted by BigOrangeTitans
                                                                  tom izzo = upset special

                                                                  bware of louisville, this line looks like a trap to me petey. Remember in the big east tourney when everyone was high on them and they suck ass? Just be careful of this.
                                                                  when did they 'suck ass' losing in OT to Pitt who went on to win the tourney and get a 4 seed?
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                                                                  • Louisvillekid1
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                                                                    • 10-17-07
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                                                                    #68
                                                                    Originally posted by babaoriley
                                                                    5) I am not touching that Louisville/Tennessee game, though I may play the total. I think L'Ville wins this one, but this Tennessee team is capable of beating anyone, anywhere. The coaching matchup is even. The talent level is even. The line is set based on prior tourney results as L'Ville has cruised through its first 2 rounds while Tennessee has struggled at times. Stay away game for me, unless I tease.
                                                                    Really?
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                                                                    • rjt721
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                                                                      • 02-06-07
                                                                      • 7929

                                                                      #69
                                                                      Originally posted by stingyrivers
                                                                      the only sure winner is see is still

                                                                      UNC
                                                                      Kansas
                                                                      Ucla
                                                                      Far from a sure winner. Wazzou is absolutely capable of beating UNC. Carolina hasn't seen a defense like this all season, and this Heels team is nowhere near as good as many seem to think.
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                                                                      • stingyrivers
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                                                                        • 01-15-08
                                                                        • 1240

                                                                        #70
                                                                        UNC
                                                                        Kansas
                                                                        UCLA

                                                                        is about the surest winner i have seen all year considering the expectations and the stakes involved.....

                                                                        funny how wazzou has become the sexy pick this past week with their "overpowering defense".... funny, they had the same D when they looked like crap and lost 3 str8 at home to the bottom feeders of the Pac 10..... Wash St was a solid team in December and January and then for whatever reason they fell off huge in febuary and March.... now all of a sudden they got a spark and crippled a team that lives and dies by the 3 (the irish) and all of a sudden they are in the tarheels league???

                                                                        Carolina is battle tested, only lost 3 games all year, and don't forget playing a home game, where they are 23 -1 in the state in the history of the tournament.... Wazzou gives them a competitve game but just doesn't have enough offense to outscore UNC, and simply do not matchup well to Hansbrough or Lawson.....

                                                                        not to mention, they tend to seriously collapse in close game situations in the final minutes of a game, in a best case scenario for wazzou this will be tight going into final minutes where they will have to battle Hansbrough in the paint as well as the capacity crowd 99% tarheel fans....

                                                                        i said it here before, theorhetically UNC, Kansas and UCLA could lose, but if they do it would be pretty much the biggest choke in NCAA history for different reasons for each team....

                                                                        UNC wins this game, and i wouldn't be surprised if it is by DD.... i hate the vegas toys with gamblers conspiracy theories, but in my opinion vegas is loving all the money coming in on Wazzou because not that it is extremely likely, but UNC are easily capable of winning this game by 9 to 14 points... just my opinion.... hope you hit tonight, i don't care if UNC covers or not, just that they do what the country expects which is advance on a home court to the elite eight, as 90% of even amatuer prognasticators have them at the least in the final four
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