John Morrison 2012-13 NBA Thread

**Wallco99** · 12-19-12, 10:18 AM

Wallco NBA Chase 110
2012-13 System to date: 24-0 (fin. series)
System profit/loss: +24.00 units (fin. series)
Current open series: 1 (-1.10 units)

(12/18/12):
#25 Philadelphia (+6½) (A) – Loss

v1 Plays
(A) 16-9
(B) 5-3
(C) 3-0
(D) 0-0

Games for (12/19/12):
#25 Philadelphia (+6½) @ Houston (B) (8:05 pm EST)
#26 Cleveland @ Boston (M/L) (A) (7:35 pm EST)

** Denotes line not available at time of post

We will ALWAYS play the M/L on favorites and the point spread (-110) on dogs. There is no point buying in this system, with one exception, if your team is the favorite, and buying down to a (-½) point spread is cheaper than playing the M/L, then by all means, buy the points, otherwise, M/L on all favorites and point spread on dogs. All results will be based on this principle. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com/. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the dog team, and who is the favorite on ScoresandOdds.com/ final lines. I will try to update my post as often as I can throughout the day, if the lines change. However, it is the individual bettor’s responsibility to get the appropriate line if it differs from the line in my post.
System rules and backtest can be found in post #219.

**wmu35** · 12-19-12, 10:27 AM

Originally posted by Wallco99

#149

thanks bud

**BAMAsharp** · 12-19-12, 10:33 AM

Originally posted by j.m. Disciple

thanks to some of you who have my back, but ill take care of myself. This thread is mostly cluttered cause everyone wants to defend wallco or limit on their post or people being confused about the system and what the plays are. I'll handle my own beef.

1) i only quoted limits post because there were no plays on the day, so if there are no spreads to post, then the post will not change. I have never quoted their "plays" when there are actually spreads to be posted or teams for that matter.

2) i am pretty sure some of you received emails from john morrison last season or two seasons ago where he asked to take a vote on if the game should count as a loss or not. I believe this was when he incorporated his ml filter.

3) you (wallco & limit) talk about consistency in your back test, but want to negate a loss on the lal game! Yes bet 2 was a push, but just because most people won on "replay of bet 2" does not negate the loss. Do other people make the rules for 7/5 now or does thelimit?

Not counting it as a loss and than saying from this point forward if it happens again it will count as a loss sounds a lot like john morrison covering up losses or padding his record. It will still be a profitable season in the end, so covering up a 7 unit loss from bet1 to provide consistency is more important then padding a record i would think.

4) 7/5 is up 30 units you said? My system is still above that in less time. Of course i have had more plays, but yes you are right that your "system(s)" together are still doing better then mine; they also have high risk ratio. I might as well compare stiff's + my system to your and wallco's system lol. Whatever... Its not a competition and i do not really care. Season to season mine will go above and beyond 7/5 on average. If you want it to be a competition you can go ahead and look at my thread at season end and compare it to 7/5.

Good luck rest of the season.

Ps
just pretend i am not the one who wrote the response to lal bet 1 being a loss, would it still be ignored? If stiffler or grinder came in here and backtested 7/5 and got different unit amounts for their back test what would be the reason? "oh, it was a situation series where most people won so we counted it as a win..." wallco weren't you on stiffler for betting 2 units on a on a situational series on the spurs series? If you are going to complain about being consistent, than practice what you preach.

Good night

you're the one who keeps clogging up this thread with your attention whore responses. We get it....you are the labby king & you've been done wrong. Now stfu and move on with your life.

**MARCUS** · 12-19-12, 11:52 AM

Originally posted by thelimit0310

JMD, I did apply that rule. I'm going to clear this up for you instead of argue back. The Lakers Bet 2 was a PUSH officially, not a loss. Because they had another road game in their trip we would replay Bet 2 because it PUSHed, not lost. The replay won officially, so Bet 2 is now a WIN. There was never a question of whether or not to count it as a loss because neither bet lost. When I said I would count the next situation as a loss, what I meant was that if this type of situation occurs again, Bet 2 pushes, but then the subsequent Bet 2 Replay lost (the difference here is the Replay loses, not wins like what happened with the Lakers), I would count the series as a loss, not a push. Just as I counted this series as a win, not a push. This is the rule. It was not padding the unit count in any way.

**Wallco99** · 12-19-12, 11:55 AM

Originally posted by wmu35

thanks bud

No problem.

**Wallco99** · 12-19-12, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by CrazyCarl

Beware of January 11th!!!!

Yes, we have to hope there isn't a Phoenix (C) bet that day.

**thelimit0310** · 12-19-12, 12:42 PM

7/5 Plays DEC 18

Boston +1.5 vs Chicago - Bet 2

7/5 Plays DEC 19

No Plays

Results:
Bet 1: 7-8
Bet 2: 5-3
Utah 11/2
Portland 11/25
Boston 12/14

**adidas-b 88** · 12-19-12, 01:53 PM

boston -400 !!

**adidas-b 88** · 12-19-12, 01:59 PM

Hey Limit I think Boston is a B bet for the 7/5 system?

**J.M. Disciple** · 12-19-12, 02:46 PM

Thelimit, thanks for not arguing. Instead of arguing this whole thing could of easily been a discussion.

I do have one more question. in your back test during the 4-5 game road trip when the bet 2 pushes, did you replay bet2 or count the series over with a 7.7unit loss from bet 1. As wallco does often whenever he applies a filter, may have to go back through your 9 year back test to fix common occurrences.

Also with rules being on post 149, you stated pushes do not count as losses when referring to the A-bet losing by 3.5pts. I would suggest either reposting the rules with what happens given particular situations. kinda like when jm refers to a rare D-bet. just a suggestion.

Thanks again for responding in a non troll fashion. I've been trying to formulate a discussion over last two pages about this, but couldn't get an appropriate answer.

Good day.

**J.M. Disciple** · 12-19-12, 02:53 PM

Originally posted by adidas-b 88

Hey Limit I think Boston is a B bet for the 7/5 system?

Boston started their road trip 12/14. There in the middle of it still.

**J.M. Disciple** · 12-19-12, 02:58 PM

Adidas kinda triggered something from a jm rule. if first three games loses by 3pts ats in a 6-7 game road trip start a new series on the 4th game. is that still one of jm filters.

**thelimit0310** · 12-19-12, 03:00 PM

JMD,

I would replay Bet 2 if there was an extra game in the road trip. Just as many systems do, including Wallco and Stifler's. It's just the best way to go rather than taking a loss. I omitted this from my way-to-play post because i thought it was a given, and it was a very very rare occurrence to begin with, though looking back I should have noted it. The only reason there was confusion before is because I recorded the game as a temporary push on the record before the replay when I shouldn't have, and that is my mistake.

**J.M. Disciple** · 12-19-12, 03:17 PM

Omitting your mistake is quick easy way to clear it up instead of optional or most people won. ok moving on, won't bring it back up.

Thanks.

**wero76** · 12-19-12, 04:01 PM

where can I find 1-3-5 system rules?

**Wallco99** · 12-19-12, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by wero76

where can I find 1-3-5 system rules?

#149

**thelimit0310** · 12-19-12, 04:21 PM

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**J.M. Disciple** · 12-19-12, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by wero76

where can I find 1-3-5 system rules?

all plays @-110
A) 1.1 to win 1.00 units
B) to recover your loss from A + 3 additional units of profit
C) recover losses from A+B and 5 additional units of profit.

It plays all versions of John Morrison system @-110 (no buying points). Its not really a separate system, more of a different betting strategy.

**Wallco99** · 12-19-12, 04:36 PM

Originally posted by wero76

where can I find 1-3-5 system rules?

It's pretty simple. I came up with it 2 years ago after Wilba came up with the 3/3. We are basically just playing ALL Jm games (A, B, and C) at -110 odds. We are looking to win 1 unit on A bets, if that loses, looking to win 3 units on B bets, and 5 units on C bets if B should lose. A total loss is 17.28 units, that's less than a JM loss. But keep in mind, there may be a few more losses as a result of not buying 3 points. I love this strategy.

**J.M. Disciple** · 12-19-12, 04:41 PM

Originally posted by Wallco99

It's pretty simple. I came up with it 2 years ago after Wilba came up with the 3/3. We are basically just playing ALL Jm games (A, B, and C) at -110 odds. We are looking to win 1 unit on A bets, if that loses, looking to win 3 units on B bets, and 5 units on C bets if B should lose. A total loss is 17.28 units, that's less than a JM loss. But keep in mind, there may be a few more losses as a result of not buying 3 points. I love this strategy.

should probably edit your post in #1486 to reflect #1489

**cambertos** · 12-19-12, 04:58 PM

we are all one post away from another mass argument hahaha

**groovybrandone** · 12-19-12, 05:09 PM

Originally posted by Wallco99

It's pretty simple. I came up with it 2 years ago after Wilba came up with the 3/3. We are basically just playing ALL Jm games (A, B, and C) at -110 odds. We are looking to win 1 unit on A bets, if that loses, looking to win 3 units on B bets, and 5 units on C bets if B should lose. A total loss is 17.28 units, that's less than a JM loss. But keep in mind, there may be a few more losses as a result of not buying 3 points. I love this strategy.

so we could potentially run a 1-3-5 off the traditional JM that stevex is posting?

**stevex** · 12-19-12, 06:13 PM

JM Traditonal

12/19/2012

V2

1. Oklahoma City Thunder A Bet -6 @ Atlanta Hawks (Risking 200 TO WIN 181)
Oklahoma City Thunder A Bet (since > -3 take ML) @ Atlanta Hawks

**Wallco99** · 12-19-12, 06:47 PM

Originally posted by groovybrandone

so we could potentially run a 1-3-5 off the traditional JM that stevex is posting?

That is exactly what I designed it for, so YES.

**Wallco99** · 12-19-12, 06:53 PM

Wallco NBA Chase 110
2012-13 System to date: 24-0 (fin. series)
System profit/loss: +24.00 units (fin. series)
Current open series: 1 (-1.10 units)

(12/18/12):
#25 Philadelphia (+6½) (A) – Loss

v1 Plays
(A) 16-9
(B) 5-3
(C) 3-0
(D) 0-0

Games for (12/19/12):
#25 Philadelphia (+7) @ Houston (B) (8:05 pm EST)
#26 Cleveland @ Boston (M/L) (A) (7:35 pm EST)

We will ALWAYS play the M/L on favorites and the point spread (-110) on dogs. There is no point buying in this system, with one exception, if your team is the favorite, and buying down to a (-½) point spread is cheaper than playing the M/L, then by all means, buy the points, otherwise, M/L on all favorites and point spread on dogs. All results will be based on this principle. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com/. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the dog team, and who is the favorite on ScoresandOdds.com/ final lines. I will try to update my post as often as I can throughout the day, if the lines change. However, it is the individual bettor’s responsibility to get the appropriate line if it differs from the line in my post.
System rules and backtest can be found in post #219.

**wmu35** · 12-19-12, 11:54 PM

Originally posted by stevex

JM Traditonal

12/19/2012

V2

1. Oklahoma City Thunder A Bet -6 @ Atlanta Hawks (Risking 200 TO WIN 181)
Oklahoma City Thunder A Bet (since > -3 take ML) @ Atlanta Hawks

Hey Steve, How is this JM Traditional since the B bet would have been vs Minny? They are in the west aren't they? I haven't followed JM in a year or so so idk if he changed anything up.

Please let me know what the deal is.

Thanks

**Wallco99** · 12-20-12, 01:00 AM

Originally posted by wmu35

Hey Steve, How is this JM Traditional since the B bet would have been vs Minny? They are in the west aren't they? I haven't followed JM in a year or so so idk if he changed anything up.

Please let me know what the deal is.

Thanks

It's a v2 play. Check post # 140

**lennytia** · 12-20-12, 05:04 AM

Originally posted by Wallco99

Pay attention. Right now it is.

No, the common denominator right now is the same as it has been for the duration of those 2 years right across JM NBA/MLB/NHL threads.
The other parties change, JM Disciple just happens to be this months sparring partner.
Its all very unnecessary, Lord of the Flies bullshit

**wmu35** · 12-20-12, 07:22 AM

Originally posted by Wallco99

It's a v2 play. Check post # 140

Alright cool, thanks

**Wallco99** · 12-20-12, 07:31 AM

Originally posted by lennytia

No, the common denominator right now is the same as it has been for the duration of those 2 years right across JM NBA/MLB/NHL threads.
The other parties change, JM Disciple just happens to be this months sparring partner.
Its all very unnecessary, Lord of the Flies bullshit

And this is usually how these spars start. Some cocky jackass coming in here and spewing crap and not expecting us to comment, which is exactly what you are doing now, and exactly what he did last week. So as I said, pay attention and stop trying to rehash shit that has subsided.

**Wallco99** · 12-20-12, 07:36 AM

Wallco NBA Chase 110
2012-13 System to date: 25-0 (fin. series)
System profit/loss: +25.00 units (fin. series)
Current open series: 1 (-3.41 units)

(12/19/12):
#25 Philadelphia (+7) (B) - Loss
#26 Boston (M/L) (A) - Win

v1 Plays
(A) 17-9
(B) 5-4
(C) 3-0
(D) 0-0

There are no system plays for (12/20/12)
#25 Resumes (C) on 12/21/12

We will ALWAYS play the M/L on favorites and the point spread (-110) on dogs. There is no point buying in this system, with one exception, if your team is the favorite, and buying down to a (-½) point spread is cheaper than playing the M/L, then by all means, buy the points, otherwise, M/L on all favorites and point spread on dogs. All results will be based on this principle. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com/. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the dog team, and who is the favorite on ScoresandOdds.com/ final lines. I will try to update my post as often as I can throughout the day, if the lines change. However, it is the individual bettor’s responsibility to get the appropriate line if it differs from the line in my post.
System rules and backtest can be found in post #219.

**MARCUS** · 12-20-12, 12:33 PM

Originally posted by Wallco99

And this is usually how these spars start. Some cocky jackass coming in here and spewing crap and not expecting us to comment, which is exactly what you are doing now, and exactly what he did last week. So as I said, pay attention and stop trying to rehash shit that has subsided.

**wero76** · 12-20-12, 01:12 PM

thanks Wallco!

**Wallco99** · 12-20-12, 01:15 PM

You're welcome.

**petters72** · 12-20-12, 02:02 PM

Was Boston a 7/5 C-bet yesterday? Why did not anyone post it????????