Cleveland + whatever Tuesday vs. the C's

dilojanj · 02-27-12, 12:40 PM

i think u will get better than 4.. it will be around 6 / 6.5 !! i will play very small so i will go on ML or cleveland - 1.5 .. GL !!

Speedy88 · 02-27-12, 02:17 PM

Agreed. What A lot of people don't know is that the celtics are not much better than the cavs. Cavs ML will be inticing.

lunchbawks · 02-27-12, 02:47 PM

The Cavs look awful without Varejao

Speedy88 · 02-27-12, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by dilojanj

i think u will get better than 4.. it will be around 6 / 6.5 !! i will play very small so i will go on ML or cleveland - 1.5 .. GL !!

And no way will the line be Cavs +6 or +6.5. My guess is the line will be somewhere around Cleveland +3 to +4.5. Either way, Boston is going to be getting overvalued. Public will continue to pound Boston because they are one of the most popular NBA teams. I've said this many times before, Boston is a below average NBA team. Put them in the West and I think the only teams they would have a better record than out west would be New Orleans and Sacramento.

ChiLLx · 02-27-12, 03:38 PM

It's 3.5 right now.

Snowball · 02-27-12, 03:46 PM

don't do it. Celtics are rested and very eager to break out
of their slump. Post-break expect the Celtics to start playing for real.
do not be fooled.

kj8210 · 02-27-12, 03:59 PM

Yea if Verejao was in I would probably take Cavs ATS but with Garnett back, the paint is going to cause the Cavs some trouble.

Speedy88 · 02-27-12, 05:22 PM

Originally posted by Snowball

don't do it. Celtics are rested and very eager to break out
of their slump. Post-break expect the Celtics to start playing for real.
do not be fooled.

People have been singing that same song all season long. Yet the C's keep losing. I remember posting about the Pistons +5.5 at home against the Celtics just a couple of weeks ago, and everyone said that same thing. "Oh it is a revenge game for the Celtics after getting beat by the Pistons in Boston." "Oh Celtics are rested." Etc. The Pistons blew them out from the beginning of the game and won 96-81.

Lets face the facts. The Celtics are a below average team, not much different than the Raptors or the Cavs. They have a ton of over the hill players, and no bench. I could care less if the Celtics are rested or not, I can't ever see betting on them as favorites on the road. Just look at who they have lost to this year: Pistons twice, Raptors, Hornets, Suns, and Cavs.

t-wizzle · 02-27-12, 05:30 PM

What exactly is your reasoning?

dshaffe4 · 02-27-12, 05:39 PM

I agree, quit fooling yourself about the C's, we have been saying they same thing all season and now all of a sudden after the all star break we say they are a different team? Cavs are they play here and will probably win SU.

Snowball · 02-27-12, 06:19 PM

hehe, you guys are underestimating the Grumpy Old Men
watch - they will be a factor in the playoffs

riskyProps · 02-27-12, 06:39 PM

Without Verejao, Boston will most likely manhandle the Cavs.

face · 02-27-12, 06:43 PM

Originally posted by Speedy88

People have been singing that same song all season long. Yet the C's keep losing. I remember posting about the Pistons +5.5 at home against the Celtics just a couple of weeks ago, and everyone said that same thing. "Oh it is a revenge game for the Celtics after getting beat by the Pistons in Boston." "Oh Celtics are rested." Etc. The Pistons blew them out from the beginning of the game and won 96-81.

Lets face the facts. The Celtics are a below average team, not much different than the Raptors or the Cavs. They have a ton of over the hill players, and no bench. I could care less if the Celtics are rested or not, I can't ever see betting on them as favorites on the road. Just look at who they have lost to this year: Pistons twice, Raptors, Hornets, Suns, and Cavs.

totally agree, i played several celtics games waiting for them to get it together, the fact is, the celtics have problems, i will probably take the cavs too

thebestthereis · 02-27-12, 07:17 PM

Verejao is side-show Bob, this is all I really know for certain

shadymcgrady · 02-27-12, 10:05 PM

i rly can't ignore the facts that speedy88 has brought up ab boston this yr despite whatever inclination i may have that the celtics are well rested or will flip the switch after the break etc. the line seems like a trap for anyone that thinks the C's are the same team from 2009, with that being said the ML seems like a coin flip so cle+3.5? a single player like varejao or tristan or whoever pales in comparison to the way the officials want to call the interior nature of any given game as well as the final score

demens · 02-27-12, 10:19 PM

i'm on the Cs. Dont think they are gearing up for a run in the 2nd half of the season but they are certainly breaking the losing streak very soon. they had a few days to rest and think about all the losing. These guys are pros and pride will kick in. I think they were physically spent going into the break which was a part of why they went on that streak. Got a few concerns upfront injury wise, but i expect a similar run they had when all of their starts were hurt and guys like Stemsma, Avery, etc started stepping up.

Cavs had a shot to build some momentum and get a nice winning streak going into the break AND get into the 7th seed in the East. Yet they lose to the Hornets. I dont think they are very interested in sneaking into the play-offs and likely getting smashed by Lebron.

They were a 1.5 dog to Indy at home a few games ago, now they are a 3.5 dog to Boston? A significantly weaker team. I think the books like Boston in this one as well.

demens · 02-27-12, 10:24 PM

Originally posted by shadymcgrady

i rly can't ignore the facts that speedy88 has brought up ab boston this yr despite whatever inclination i may have that the celtics are well rested or will flip the switch after the break etc. the line seems like a trap for anyone that thinks the C's are the same team from 2009, with that being said the ML seems like a coin flip so cle+3.5? a single player like varejao or tristan or whoever pales in comparison to the way the officials want to call the interior nature of any given game as well as the final score

funny example of how people see lines the way they want to see them. You think this is a trap line in Cavs favor? Boston is 15-17 and struggling, playing on the road vs a 13-18 Cavs. You can make an argument that this game should be PK so how the hell is -3.5 a trap? If anything the line is higher in Bostons favor then it should be. Personally i had this capped at -2 Boston. Trap is such a silly concept.

No coincidences · 02-27-12, 10:25 PM

Think I'll just pass first day back.

It'll be interesting to see if Boston can contain Kyrie here. Though without AV, I agree it's going to be an uphill climb for the Cavs.

GoBlue77 · 02-27-12, 10:27 PM

Originally posted by t-wizzle

What exactly is your reasoning?

they are an underdog, so basically he just blew his load seeing a +3.5 on the board..

No coincidences · 02-27-12, 10:27 PM

Might consider the Queens -2 vs. Utah.

Did Philly really open as PK in Detroit (SBRodds, Pinny)?

No coincidences · 02-27-12, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by GoBlue77

they are an underdog, so basically he just blew his load seeing a +3.5 on the board..

What do you mean?

shadymcgrady · 02-27-12, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by demens

Personally i had this capped at -2 Boston. Trap is such a silly concept.

if your line is bos giving 2 then bos is obv a good bet, i thought it would be 6 or 6.5 which is y 3.5 jumped out to me but like you said it's personal interpretation

No coincidences · 02-27-12, 10:32 PM

Should the Hornets really be +13.5? That's a lot of points.

No coincidences · 02-27-12, 10:44 PM

Warriors +5 maybe?

demens · 02-27-12, 10:46 PM

Originally posted by No coincidences

Might consider the Queens -2 vs. Utah.

Did Philly really open as PK in Detroit (SBRodds, Pinny)?

I was thinking Kings too, but these guys are as unprofessional as they come. Too much of an unknown how they come back from the break, energized or hungover. Jazz has played some decent games on the road, and i've caught some beats with them as 2 of the 3 road wins came when i bet against them)

Originally posted by shadymcgrady

if your line is bos giving 2 then bos is obv a good bet, i thought it would be 6 or 6.5 which is y 3.5 jumped out to me but like you said it's personal interpretation

Thats kind of what i mean. Why would you think Boston should be a -6 favs in this situation? They were only a 4 point favs @ Detroit and @ Toronto, both weaker teams then the Cavs. Last game in Cleveland was @ -4. Hell they were only -4.5 @ the pathetic Wizards which is their 2nd highest line on the road this year. The highest being -7 @ those same Wizards way, way early in the season.

Cavs layed 7 points to teams like Philly and Clippers who are .600+ teams, Boston is UNDER .500. -6 makes no sense at all.

demens · 02-27-12, 10:48 PM

Originally posted by No coincidences

Warriors +5 maybe?

I;m going small on Indy here (Celts and Indy only games i like for tomorrow). I do think this line is funky in GS favor, but i dont see why. I watched a few Indy games right before the break and their commentators were convinced the team needed rest. I think they come back strong just like they started the season.

No coincidences · 02-27-12, 10:51 PM

Originally posted by demens

I was thinking Kings too, but these guys are as unprofessional as they come. Too much of an unknown how they come back from the break, energized or hungover. Jazz has played some decent games on the road, and i've caught some beats with them as 2 of the 3 road wins came when i bet against them)

Agree. I wish I could hitch my train to SAC in these spots because I do think they have the talent to take home games like this, but who in the hell knows which Kings team will show up. They're the most immature team in the NBA and it's not even close (led by you know who underneath).

Other than the SU win at Memphis, though, I wouldn't classify the Jazz as even an average road team.

No coincidences · 02-27-12, 10:52 PM

Originally posted by demens

I;m going small on Indy here (Celts and Indy only games i like for tomorrow). I do think this line is funky in GS favor, but i dont see why. I watched a few Indy games right before the break and their commentators were convinced the team needed rest. I think they come back strong just like they started the season.

I admit that's why it caught my eye. Figured they'd be +7.

Good luck tomorrow demens.

bleek88 · 02-27-12, 11:43 PM

Originally posted by Snowball

don't do it. Celtics are rested and very eager to break out
of their slump. Post-break expect the Celtics to start playing for real.
do not be fooled.

hey, what do u know, some 1 does understand basketball around here

ThaTopMoron · 02-28-12, 02:40 AM

Rondo didn't play in either of the two games vs Cavs before ? i think

suicidekings · 02-28-12, 03:16 AM

I think it's really interesting when people get down on the Celtics for not always showing up in games... Getting down on them for being old, assuming a bad loss is a sign that they can't hang with the elite teams anymore, etc. For the most part, they just want to cruise into the playoffs 100% healthy and ready to play. Doc Rivers is one of the best coaches in the league at managing his veteran players to have them fresh down the stretch, and he knows how to get the most out of them.

That being said, that loss to the Cavs at home stung badly, and Varejao was CRITICAL to that win. I would not be eager to assume the Cavs are going to win the season series here after the Celtics have had a few days to rest up and are coming off a 5 game losing streak. A play on the Celtics at -3 would depend on who's playing for Boston. O'Neal is out and I haven't seen confirmation regarding Wilcox/Bass as yet. I would definitely lean to the Celtics here though.

WalkingLuckCharm · 02-28-12, 03:35 AM

I see people talking about bostons inconsistency every season, but be careful guys... C's always pick it up towards playoffs except last season when they got manhandled by heat without rondo

Speedy88 · 02-28-12, 04:20 AM

85% on Boston and the line has moved from -3.5 to -3.

Kalibongo · 02-28-12, 04:45 AM

Bass in Cleveland practicing with team, but O'Neal won't play.