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  • nobs
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    • 08-31-09
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    #1
    Game 1 total is just way way too high
    Game 1 total is 191 1/2 or 192 depending on which book you have. I think with the total this low many people are going to jump on the over so the number may go up to 193 by tipoff. Either way, this total is way way too fking high and I am telling you right now it wont break 180 IMO anyways.

    The Celtics are playing great Defense right now. the Celtics were struggling toward the end of the season because they just didnt care that much. What has changed in the playoffs ? They have started playing great defense. This Celtics team has not turned it around by scoring points, in fact they dont score points.

    The Celtics very rarely break 100. The only way they can win is by continuing to play great defense. In their last 9 games the Celtics have given up 87,88,85,88,92,71,96,113, and 84 points.

    So in its last 9 games, the Celtics defense has held its opponents to 88 or less 9 times and only allowed its opponent to score over 96 one time. During that 9 game stretch the Celtics have given up an average of 86.5 points. That was against two very good offensive teams in the Cavaliers and Magic.

    Now many may say, well this is the Lakers. The fact is that the Lakers are much more of a defensive team than an offensive team. Kobe doesnt get his due but he is a great defensive player as well as offensive.

    The Celtics held down the Magic and Cavaliers, two teams who have to score big to win, which was evidenced by the fact that they didnt score and thus didnt win. The Celtics defense totally shut down Dwight Howard, something that no other team has been able to do. As great a player as Kobe is, we arent going to see him going for 40-45 points a game, not against these Celtics. I think the rest of the Lakers are going to really struggle to score in this series. How many times have we seen the Lakers become the Kobe show when they are playing a good defensive team ? A lot. That is what will happen in this series.

    The Lakers play great defense as well when they have to and they will have to in this series.

    Yes the Lakers vs. Suns series averaged out to about 222 points per game. Is the difference between playing the Celtics vs Suns really 30 points ? I think it is easily. The entire tempo of the game will be different as the Celtics are going to play slow down offense and make the Lakers work on each possession. By contrast the Suns just like to shoot. We will see far fewer shots in these games and thus I think 190 will be a very hard total for really any of these games to achieve.


    Both teams will come into this game 1 having had nearly a week off since their last games. That should help the defenses early as I expect rusty shooting in the first quarter. However by the second quarter on, the scoring pace may pick up as everyone will have rested legs. That doesnt change my feeling on this game at all though.

    The Lakers vs Celtics finals will be all about defense not offense and I truly expect games in the high 80's like 88-85 finals. Something in that area. This opening game being played in Los Angeles means the Lakers defense will be ready to go as even when the Lakers have given up points its been on the road not at home. The Celtics have been playing great defense every where.

    just cant see this game getting even to 182 let alone 192. To me the under on game 1 ia a solid +EV play.

    Good Luck.
  • PROfitableEnergy
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    • 05-31-10
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    #2
    I jumped on a parlay, 2 units on Celtics (5.5) and the under (192), for 2.6 to 1 on my money.
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    • Goat Milk
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      #3
      Cause Sleep is the Cousin of Death
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      • cecbo
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        • 01-10-10
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        #4
        You would think that this game should go under. That's what makes me weary about the line.
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        • suicidekings
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          • 03-23-09
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          #5
          In a typical matchup between these teams, sure. In Game 1 of the NBA finals, you'd expect a high intensity game and for Boston to push the Lakers, trying to steal a game in LA early.
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          • nobs
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            • 08-31-09
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            #6
            They can push them by playing great defense. i dont really see the Celtics stealing anything if it gets into the 100's
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            • nobs
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              • 08-31-09
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              #7
              Originally posted by cecbo
              You would think that this game should go under. That's what makes me weary about the line.

              Naah, they know the total at 192 will get plenty of over bets. People whatched the Lakers/Suns series go 220+ almost every game and a lot of them will jump on over 192 without even thinking.

              This game goes comfortably under IMO.
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              • 1800Gambler
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                • 07-27-09
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                #8
                this lines about right
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                • youngerthree
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                  • 01-13-10
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                  #9
                  so you are saying the total is off because you are leaning towards the celtics
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                  • t-wizzle
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                    • 12-18-09
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                    #10
                    I agree, it is too high. Still, most people will take the over, especially with it down to 192.
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                    • lakerboy
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                      • 04-02-09
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                      #11
                      public is on the under. the line is dropping way too much. im hoping it keeps dropping.
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                      • t-wizzle
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by lakerboy
                        public is on the under. the line is dropping way too much. im hoping it keeps dropping.
                        I'm seeing it pretty even for the most part with the public slightly on the over. It's still only Tuesday... i would expect the closer we get to the game for more of the public money to come in on the over.
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                        • woody78
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                          • 09-18-08
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                          #13
                          I'll be on the over, Lakers 111, C's 92
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                          • lakerboy
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                            • 04-02-09
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by t-wizzle
                            I'm seeing it pretty even for the most part with the public slightly on the over. It's still only Tuesday... i would expect the closer we get to the game for more of the public money to come in on the over.

                            all the early money was on the under. im sorry but im not buying that the books made this line 5 points off.
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                            • t-wizzle
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                              Originally posted by lakerboy
                              all the early money was on the under. im sorry but im not buying that the books made this line 5 points off.
                              Could it be that they adjusted for all the high-scoring lakers games so far in this playoffs? There have been 11 overs in their 16 playoffs games.
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                              • Goat Milk
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                                #16
                                Watch how everyone gets fooled into the under here

                                LA scores 104+
                                Cause Sleep is the Cousin of Death
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                                • williams22
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                                  • 09-19-08
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by nobs
                                  Game 1 total is 191 1/2 or 192 depending on which book you have. I think with the total this low many people are going to jump on the over so the number may go up to 193 by tipoff. Either way, this total is way way too fking high and I am telling you right now it wont break 180 IMO anyways. The Celtics are playing great Defense right now. the Celtics were struggling toward the end of the season because they just didnt care that much. What has changed in the playoffs ? They have started playing great defense. This Celtics team has not turned it around by scoring points, in fact they dont score points. The Celtics very rarely break 100. The only way they can win is by continuing to play great defense. In their last 9 games the Celtics have given up 87,88,85,88,92,71,96,113, and 84 points. So in its last 9 games, the Celtics defense has held its opponents to 88 or less 9 times and only allowed its opponent to score over 96 one time. During that 9 game stretch the Celtics have given up an average of 86.5 points. That was against two very good offensive teams in the Cavaliers and Magic. Now many may say, well this is the Lakers. The fact is that the Lakers are much more of a defensive team than an offensive team. Kobe doesnt get his due but he is a great defensive player as well as offensive. The Celtics held down the Magic and Cavaliers, two teams who have to score big to win, which was evidenced by the fact that they didnt score and thus didnt win. The Celtics defense totally shut down Dwight Howard, something that no other team has been able to do. As great a player as Kobe is, we arent going to see him going for 40-45 points a game, not against these Celtics. I think the rest of the Lakers are going to really struggle to score in this series. How many times have we seen the Lakers become the Kobe show when they are playing a good defensive team ? A lot. That is what will happen in this series. The Lakers play great defense as well when they have to and they will have to in this series. Yes the Lakers vs. Suns series averaged out to about 222 points per game. Is the difference between playing the Celtics vs Suns really 30 points ? I think it is easily. The entire tempo of the game will be different as the Celtics are going to play slow down offense and make the Lakers work on each possession. By contrast the Suns just like to shoot. We will see far fewer shots in these games and thus I think 190 will be a very hard total for really any of these games to achieve. Both teams will come into this game 1 having had nearly a week off since their last games. That should help the defenses early as I expect rusty shooting in the first quarter. However by the second quarter on, the scoring pace may pick up as everyone will have rested legs. That doesnt change my feeling on this game at all though. The Lakers vs Celtics finals will be all about defense not offense and I truly expect games in the high 80's like 88-85 finals. Something in that area. This opening game being played in Los Angeles means the Lakers defense will be ready to go as even when the Lakers have given up points its been on the road not at home. The Celtics have been playing great defense every where. just cant see this game getting even to 182 let alone 192. To me the under on game 1 ia a solid +EV play. Good Luck.
                                  The Lakers have been playing fairly horrible defense lately since outscoring everyone has been working.

                                  Also, Kobe doesn't get his due defensively? He made first team all-defense this year solely on reputation. He actually had one of his poorest defensive seasons ever though as he spent more time off-ball than ever before in his career.
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                                  • lakerboy
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by williams22
                                    The Lakers have been playing fairly horrible defense lately since outscoring everyone has been working.

                                    Seems like that doesnt it. The stats indicate that the lakers are allowing opposing teams to shoot 43.7 % in the playoffs and 32.5% from beyond the arc. Those #'s are better than Boston's d.( 43.8 and 32.9) albeit slightly. I think it would be fair to say that the Lakers have played teams with better offense than Boston has.
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                                    • nobs
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                                      • 08-31-09
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Goat Milk
                                      Watch how everyone gets fooled into the under here

                                      LA scores 104+

                                      I seriously doubt they score that many on this Celtics D, but even if they do get 104, Celtics still need 89 to make the Under 192 a loser.

                                      The Celtics getting 89 in Staples Center is far from a lock.

                                      but I will say Lakers wont even get 100. I guess time will tell
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                                      • nobs
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by williams22
                                        The Lakers have been playing fairly horrible defense lately since outscoring everyone has been working.

                                        Also, Kobe doesn't get his due defensively? He made first team all-defense this year solely on reputation. He actually had one of his poorest defensive seasons ever though as he spent more time off-ball than ever before in his career.
                                        Yeah but they know they cant just play crap Defense against the Celtics and expect to score 110 themselves. Different opponent, different series. And yes, kobe is a great defender.
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                                        • nobs
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by lakerboy
                                          Seems like that doesnt it. The stats indicate that the lakers are allowing opposing teams to shoot 43.7 % in the playoffs and 32.5% from beyond the arc. Those #'s are better than Boston's d.( 43.8 and 32.9) albeit slightly. I think it would be fair to say that the Lakers have played teams with better offense than Boston has.

                                          I think Williams just doesnt like the Lakers. Exactly 2 months ago today he posted the " LAKERS LONG SHOT TO WIN THE WEST " Thread where he shit all over the Lakers. thats fine, he has a right to his opinion like everyone else, but Williams has been anti-Lakers since before the playoffs started and he has been wrong up to this point.
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                                          • lolbear
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                                            • 09-10-09
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                                            #22
                                            first half under, i expect the "defense wins championship" mentality to come into to play right away, all the way until it doesn't work, if ever. boston won two years ago against lakers with physicality, and they will try their best again to be as physical as possible. the soft lakers from two years ago will stress themselves to play a physical game as well, at least until either team lost its focus. easy baskets will be hard to come by in at least the first half IMO. the rust factor, while not always accurate, will probably help with the under.

                                            first half under 96.5
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                                            • mundane
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                                              #23
                                              this game will go over with the game already decided at the start of the 4th.
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                                              • ackescott
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                                                • 09-19-09
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                                                #24
                                                Could Be so!!
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                                                • newjerseydevils
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                                                  #25
                                                  hopefully u are on the right side of the fix.....good luck
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                                                  • Boscoe
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                                                    #26
                                                    it's a no play for me. good luck.
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                                                    • dynamite140
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                                                      #27
                                                      Tons of points this game.
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                                                      • makaveli66
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                                                        #28
                                                        Somebody will break 100 and it's not going to be a blowout. Total is a little low if anything.
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                                                        • blackbox
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                                                          • 02-28-08
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                                                          #29
                                                          taking the over in the first game and the points . gl to you.
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                                                          • Sunde91
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                                                            • 11-26-09
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                                                            #30
                                                            You have no idea of knowing. It's best just to watch game 1 and see the pace.

                                                            Celtics play defense, but Lakers score at home more than the Magic.
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                                                            • suicidekings
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                                                              • 03-23-09
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                                                              #31
                                                              My numbers spit out LAL -5 and 196 as fair lines for this game so the openers didn't really surprise me, nor did the immediate action on the Under pulling it down. If you've been watching openers & line movement throughout the playoffs, the books have been producing extremely sharp lines for the entire post-season. Believing that the books made a huge error in Game 1 of the NBA Finals is ridiculous...
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                                                              • nobs
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                                                                #32
                                                                I never said they made a huge error. I said they will get plenty of over bets at 192, that doesnt mean it will even get near 192.

                                                                Totals and sides have been way off the actual outcome in game 1 many times.
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                                                                • youngerthree
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                                                                  • 01-13-10
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Boston D may come up huge
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                                                                  • Goat Milk
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by suicidekings
                                                                    My numbers spit out LAL -5 and 196 as fair lines for this game so the openers didn't really surprise me, nor did the immediate action on the Under pulling it down. If you've been watching openers & line movement throughout the playoffs, the books have been producing extremely sharp lines for the entire post-season. Believing that the books made a huge error in Game 1 of the NBA Finals is ridiculous...
                                                                    Suicide the linesmakers in the playoffs have been wayyyyy off- you of all people should know this. Giving some teams like the Suns and Boston 0 credit and others like the Magic, Cavs, and Spurs too much credit. Totals have been very sharp though.
                                                                    Cause Sleep is the Cousin of Death
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                                                                    • suicidekings
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Goat Milk

                                                                      Suicide the linesmakers in the playoffs have been wayyyyy off- you of all people should know this. Giving some teams like the Suns and Boston 0 credit and others like the Magic, Cavs, and Spurs too much credit. Totals have been very sharp though.
                                                                      True. The totals have been much better than the sides. Sharp was probably the wrong word for the lines. What I meant to say is that there was very little opinion expressed in the lines during the playoffs. They've typically been very tight to where the stats say they should be.
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