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  • No coincidences
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    • 01-18-10
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    #1
    Lakers' D vs. Suns
    Is it a matter of just intensifying the defensive effort tomorrow night like Kobe and Phil have hinted, or do they simply not have the ability to slow Phoenix down?
  • No coincidences
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    • 01-18-10
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    #2
    Interesting that the total has gone from 219 to 217.5 with 94% of the public on the over. That might be worth monitoring, both for a totals play and side (if the number stays down, sharps will be expecting the Laker D to in fact step up and likely cover).
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    • big time 3
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      • 02-05-10
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      #3
      Originally posted by No coincidences
      Interesting that the total has gone from 219 to 217.5 with 94% of the public on the over. That might be worth monitoring, both for a totals play and side (if the number stays down, sharps will be expecting the Laker D to in fact step up and likely cover).
      thanks 4 the info!!!!!!!!!
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      • suicidekings
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        • 03-23-09
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        #4
        Originally posted by No coincidences
        Is it a matter of just intensifying the defensive effort tomorrow night like Kobe and Phil have hinted, or do they simply not have the ability to slow Phoenix down?
        If it was just a matter of playing harder, why hasn't there been any sign of it yet?
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        • No coincidences
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          #5
          Originally posted by suicidekings
          If it was just a matter of playing harder, why hasn't there been any sign of it yet?
          Road vs. home? I don't know -- that's why I'm asking. Even in Games 1 and 2, their defense was porous at best. Kobe just seems to be pissed about it now, like they're ready to prove a point.
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          • suicidekings
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            #6
            Originally posted by No coincidences

            Road vs. home? I don't know -- that's why I'm asking. Even in Games 1 and 2, their defense was porous at best. Kobe just seems to be pissed about it now, like they're ready to prove a point.
            Nah... 113 ppg allowed in the series (109ppga in LA, 117ppga in PHX) in unacceptable. Those are the numbers of a team that's being overmatched.
            Last edited by suicidekings; 05-27-10, 01:24 AM.
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            • TwoWays
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              • 03-24-10
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              #7
              Phil Jackson should go with a new strategy as far as Kobe's minutes. Find time for Kobe to rest for extended minutes in the 3rd quarter. Bring Kobe in at the end of the 3rd quarter so that he can establish offensive rhythm. Then let him play all of the 4th quarter. Because this strategy of resting him while he's in rhythm, then bringing him back in the beginning stages of the 4th quarter, is clearly not working for the Lakers. Kobe ends up exhausted and out of his offensive flow.
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              • suicidekings
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                #8
                Originally posted by TwoWays
                Phil Jackson should go with a new strategy as far as Kobe's minutes. Find time for Kobe to rest for extended minutes in the 3rd quarter. Bring Kobe in at the end of the 3rd quarter so that he can establish offensive rhythm. Then let him play all of the 4th quarter. Because this strategy of resting him while he's in rhythm, then bringing him back in the beginning stages of the 4th quarter, is clearly not working for the Lakers. Kobe ends up exhausted and out of his offensive flow.
                How much can you really attribute the problem to Kobe though? He's already shooting more than he should be to accommodate the lack of production from his teammates. Gasol is also making a solid effort but due to the overall low production from other players, he's getting smothered.
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                • TwoWays
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                  • 03-24-10
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                  #9
                  It's not Kobe's problem. He's the Lakers only answer right now. I heard one of the TNT commentators saying that a good approach to defeating Phoenix's zone may be to play Sasha V. I agree with this. Because right now, Kobe is not getting enough help from the perimeter.
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                  • tealish
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                    • 02-02-10
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by suicidekings
                    Nah... 113 ppg allowed in the series (109ppga in LA, 117ppga in PHX) in unacceptable. Those are the numbers of a team that's being overmatched.
                    Overmatched? You think the Lakers are overmatched against the Suns?

                    Want to bet points on who wins this series?
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                    • suicidekings
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by TwoWays
                      It's not Kobe's problem. He's the Lakers only answer right now. I heard one of the TNT commentators saying that a good approach to defeating Phoenix's zone may be to play Sasha V. I agree with this. Because right now, Kobe is not getting enough help from the perimeter.
                      100% agree with this statement, however Vujacic is a band-aid solution at best, unproven in the playoffs so far this season and bound to be out of rhythm.

                      Seems to me that not enough credit is being given to the Suns defenders here. Lopez and Stoudemire are controlling the paint and the glass, allowing the other players greater flexibility to contest shots from outside. However, this is only happening because the Laker big men aren't performing well in the paint, particularly Bynum.

                      You have to attack Zone D from the inside, so it's going to take a stronger performance by the Laker bigs before the perimeter shots start falling consistently.
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                      • suicidekings
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by tealish
                        Overmatched? You think the Lakers are overmatched against the Suns?

                        Want to bet points on who wins this series?
                        I have limited points after cashing some out and then getting raped by the Magic in Gm 3... so no.

                        But, yes. Through the first four games, the Suns have adapted their gameplay to address the Laker strengths, whereas the Lakers have not yet made the adjustments that they need to make to win. The Lakers might have had a better initial plan but the Suns have caught up. Maybe Phil's got a secret plan that he waited until Game 5 to reveal. I just know when I see the Lakers fail to make quick adjustments to opponents, something is up. Game 4 was an exercise in frustration for them while the Suns were building confidence with every defensive stop and every 3 they knocked down.
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                        • JOHON8
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                          #13
                          Lakers are not stopping the Suns bench from putting up numbers, Kobe needs to start dancing.
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                          • tealish
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                            • 02-02-10
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by suicidekings
                            I have limited points after cashing some out and then getting raped by the Magic in Gm 3... so no. But, yes. Through the first four games, the Suns have adapted their gameplay to address the Laker strengths, whereas the Lakers have not yet made the adjustments that they need to make to win. The Lakers might have had a better initial plan but the Suns have caught up. Maybe Phil's got a secret plan that he waited until Game 5 to reveal. I just know when I see the Lakers fail to make quick adjustments to opponents, something is up. Game 4 was an exercise in frustration for them while the Suns were building confidence with every defensive stop and every 3 they knocked down.
                            Alright, we'll see what happens in the Laker win tomorrow. I'm not sure if they'll make all the adjustments on their to-do list, so it'll be interesting to see which they accomplish, if any, in their Gm 5 victory.
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                            • Goat Milk
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                              #15
                              Lamar Odom over anything (prop)
                              Cause Sleep is the Cousin of Death
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                              • Goat Milk
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by suicidekings

                                How much can you really attribute the problem to Kobe though? He's already shooting more than he should be to accommodate the lack of production from his teammates. Gasol is also making a solid effort but due to the overall low production from other players, he's getting smothered.
                                Kobe had to score 40+ on the road for them to win, I said that before. He don't get 40 on the road against the suns they don't win, simple as that.
                                Cause Sleep is the Cousin of Death
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                                • No coincidences
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                                  • 01-18-10
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                                  #17
                                  If you go by the line movement so far, I still say the Lakers and the under are expected to be the play. Under especially. 80% still on the over, yet the under has gone from 219 at open to 217. We'll see where it goes late.
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                                  • Rookie07
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                                    #18
                                    I think the Lakers tighten up on the defense tonight and the under wins it. It's about time some defense is played in this series (just like it was about time that the Magic and Celtics went over yesterday).
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                                    • spal2811
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                                      #19
                                      Lakers will d up tonight and hold phoenix under 110
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                                      • babyanni
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                                        #20
                                        lakers 115 + Suns 106+ = over book it thank me later
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                                        • 2daBank
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                                          • 01-26-09
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                                          #21
                                          personally i think it has a lot to do with the fact La scored at will the 1st two games, gave them reason to be lazy as they expected to continue outscoring the suns, i do believe they are capable of playing better defense and think you will see this tonight....1st game of the series i will not be playing the over (not counting under 1st half of game 1, learned my lessen fast)..did buy 1.5 when it was 7.5 so Lake Show -6 for me
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                                          • tmorton
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                                            • 11-15-09
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                                            #22
                                            I like the under in this game as well They will not shoot it like they did in game 4
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                                            • Otters27
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                                              #23
                                              Lakers roll in a blowout!
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                                              • joe.park
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                                                • 03-23-10
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                                                #24
                                                Under today but can't really decide who will win.
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                                                • letitburn
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                                                  • 01-13-10
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                                                  #25
                                                  taking the under, good luck
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                                                  • No coincidences
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                                                    #26
                                                    Guys, take this under.

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                                                    • PAULYPOKER
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                                                      #27
                                                      Hey Coin who ya on,, so I know not to wrongfully bitch at you after the game??
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                                                      • No coincidences
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by PAULYPOKER
                                                        Hey Coin who ya on,, so I know not to wrongfully bitch at you after the game??
                                                        Leaning Suns, but not taking it. Lakers 1Q and under for the game.
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                                                        • Goat Milk
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by No coincidences
                                                          Guys, take this under.

                                                          why because you just saw your boy Golden Greek post it as a GOY type play?
                                                          Cause Sleep is the Cousin of Death
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                                                          • mrginandtonic
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                                                            • 09-11-09
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                                                            #30
                                                            If under is the play, then the lakers will be the play as well, IMO. Would it be smart to tease lakers with under, or how about parlay lakers ML with under?? Any thoughts??
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                                                            • No coincidences
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by Goat Milk
                                                              why because you just saw your boy Golden Greek post it as a GOY type play?
                                                              Check the post times, son.

                                                              Hell, I've been talking about the under since I started this thread last night. I can't ignore a 2-point drop in the total despite 80-90% of the public being on the over.
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                                                              • No coincidences
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by mrginandtonic
                                                                If under is the play, then the lakers will be the play as well, IMO. Would it be smart to tease lakers with under, or how about parlay lakers ML with under?? Any thoughts??


                                                                No guarantees, obviously, but I like this -- even though you're not gaining much with the Laker ML.
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                                                                • Goat Milk
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  I think the Lakers will score 110+ tonight NC
                                                                  Cause Sleep is the Cousin of Death
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                                                                  • suicidekings
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by No coincidences
                                                                    Guys, take this under.
                                                                    I feel like if this game goes Under, it will be on the strength of the second half, not the first. Three of four (and both games in LA) have eclipsed a 60 point 1Q. I would think that 217 is not the best line you'll see tonight for the Under.

                                                                    However I don't like the Under at all.
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                                                                    • PAULYPOKER
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by No coincidences
                                                                      . Lakers 1Q and under for the game.
                                                                      So this is your play right?
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