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  • lyon804
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 11-02-09
    • 6526

    #1
    Vince Carter, Orlando Majic
    I know many here think this series will be a slam dunk for the Majic, but do not count out the Celtics. They are playing at a different level now and Orlando has not been challenged yet this playoff season. The Celts will fight and compete every possesion. The Celtics also have the experience and the players to give Orlando all they want. Also keep in mind Orlando lives by the 3 pointer. If they are not dropping at a good rate they will struggle.


    Also my biggest X-factor is Vince Carter. I think the Celtics will give him fits. I can't wait until Vince beats somebody off the dribble and makes a strong move to the rim. Vince will wind up in the front row and rendered usueless afterwards. Vince is a pussy. He is a terrific athlete and plays well without contact. I think most know this and Boston will make him uneasy. With Vince out of the equation this will become more of a even series. I see this series being a fight. The Majic should win, but I will not count out the Celtics. They are playing well, they have the leadership, experience, and general know how. We can discuss matchups all day but I think it will be a waste of time in this particular series. This series will be played differently. If Boston is not physical they won't stand a chance. If Boston is pyhsical this series is a 50/50 toss up imo. Dwight Howard will be hacked early and often and will become frustrated as well.


    I also think Boston will be good enough to defend Howard 1 on 1 and even if there not good enough they will most likey not rotate off the 3 point shooter's. The Majic are a great 3 point shooting team but I imagine they will have to work to make 3's in this series. The Majic have not had to work to make 3's against anybody in the playoffs yet. Imo I would let Howard beat me. Would not rotate off open shooter. If Howard beats you then live with it. I think Boston is pysical enough to push him out of the paint and if so Howard become useless offensively. Howard will not shoot the Majic to any victories so if the Celts keep him off the block they have a great chance.
  • lakerboy
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    • 04-02-09
    • 94379

    #2
    Good analysis. Except for maybe game 1 the unders in this series are the plays. The books will give out low totals so it will be crucial to make your decisions quick. I personally think Boston can win but it should be a great series. Good point about Carter- i can already see him holding his elbow with that stupid grimace on his face.
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    • JohnnyD4916
      SBR MVP
      • 04-14-10
      • 1572

      #3
      I don't know if the majic will show up and play but I know Orlando Magic will be a tough team to beat!!
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      • Holtgetsback
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        • 01-04-10
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        #4
        i like the celtics in 6 or 7

        good read
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        • lyon804
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          • 11-02-09
          • 6526

          #5
          Originally posted by lakerboy
          Good analysis. Except for maybe game 1 the unders in this series are the plays. The books will give out low totals so it will be crucial to make your decisions quick. I personally think Boston can win but it should be a great series. Good point about Carter- i can already see him holding his elbow with that stupid grimace on his face.
          If he gets hit well by Perkins, Wallace, or KG he will lay on the floor for minutes and as you say will grimace over the pain. Vince does not want contact. This is Vince's series. They brought him over for series like this one to be a closer in a tight game late, but If Orlando wins I can gurantee you it won't be Carter closing the game out. Vince will be gassed and gutted long before a close is needed. Orlando didn't need a closer against Bobcats and Hawks. I imagine Vince knows this and will feel the pressure of this series. He is not what I would call a clutch player. The Celtics whole unit is Clutch: KG,Allen, Pierce, Rondo---maybe not clutch free throw shooter
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          • HoulihansTX
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            • 02-12-09
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            #6
            This series is a toss-up. It will come down to three point shooting, and Garnett/Rashard Lewis matchup.

            Both teams can shoot threes, but Orlando brings more firepower off their bench.

            Neither Garnett, or Rashard will be able to guard each other. Who ever gets the best of this matchup should be a deciding factor in most games.

            Howard should be rendered useless on offense, b/c his skill level of moves is low. He will have to be the best rebounder on the court in order to make an imprint on the series.

            Rondo will have a tough job scoring in the paint with Howard stalking, but if he can hit an elbow jumper it will be open due to Nelson's size. Though Nelson will be able score also on Rondo. Rondo is a better off the ball defender, then One-on-one. This should be fun to watch.

            Vince Carter will need to step it up on D, b/c Paul Pierce will be a handful.


            I really like Barnes on Ray Allen. Barnes has guarded the best player of Magic every opponent, and has held his own. If they can keep Ray Allen from getting hot, its just one less scorer for the Celtics.


            The Bench
            = X Factor

            Magic bring 5 new players out in the 2nd qtr. They play 10 players, and seamlessly. They dont stop scoring, when the bench is playing. The three point shooting doesnt fall of either, and they bring another 7footer in Gortat. Its the Magics biggest advantage IMO.

            Celtics only play a 7 man rotation, and sometimes Rasheed when he isnt dogging it. Rasheed will be able to guard Howard, b/c believe it or not Rasheed is one of the better low post defenders in the league. He just has to give the effort needed. Tony Allen confuses me b/c I dont know what his strengths are except his hustle. Big Baby Davis, had a great series against Orlando last season, and I except the same type of production.

            What I find troubling about Celtics bench, is it lack of depth. Celtics starters will be playing heavy minutes. I noticed when Celtics got into foul trouble against the Cavs, their scoring would tail off. If KG, Pierce, or Perkins have to head to the bench early Orlando will keep scoring while the Celtics will struggle.


            Advantages


            Rondo
            PG Nelson

            Jesus SG Carter even

            Pierce SF Barnes

            Garnett PF Rashard Even

            Perkins C Howard

            Celtics Bench vs. Magic Bench

            Magic in 7. Both should win one on the road, but Magic finish at home.
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            • lakerboy
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              • 04-02-09
              • 94379

              #7
              Pietrus is the x factor for orlando and t allen for bsoton.
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              • HoulihansTX
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                • 02-12-09
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                #8
                Originally posted by lakerboy
                Pietrus is the x factor for orlando and t allen for bsoton.
                Has pietrus missed a three pointer all playoffs??

                If you ask people who bet the Bobcats, or the Hawks. They would say, "Hell No".
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                • lyon804
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                  • 11-02-09
                  • 6526

                  #9
                  Wonderful post Houli and it will probably come down to this. The one thing you discount is the experience and physicality of the Celtics. Sure on paper this should be a easy win for the Majic. Like I mentioned above. VC will become useless this series. He will be scoring 7-9 pts a game. But as you well stated the majic definitely hold the advantage on the Bench.
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                  • shoebox
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                    • 11-26-08
                    • 5710

                    #10
                    Magic in 6 maybe even 5
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                    • HoulihansTX
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by lyon804
                      The one thing you discount is the experience and physicality of the Celtics.

                      VC will become useless this series.
                      Its hard to quantify the intangibles the Celtics have. They have them, but their intangibles fit better in a poem than a write up.

                      We will have to agree to disagree about VC. Time will tell.
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                      • lakerboy
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                        • 04-02-09
                        • 94379

                        #12
                        Originally posted by shoebox
                        Magic in 6 maybe even 5
















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                        • HoulihansTX
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by shoebox
                          Magic in 6 maybe even 5
                          Shit I hope so.. Nobody believes in VC though.
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                          • HoulihansTX
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                            #14
                            Here we go Top tier cappers on both side of the fence.
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                            • lakerboy
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                              • 04-02-09
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by HoulihansTX
                              Its hard to quantify the intangibles the Celtics have. They have them, but their intangibles fit better in a poem than a write up.

                              We will have to agree to disagree about VC. Time will tell.

                              Some guys are losers forever- VC is in that category but i would like him to win this series.
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                              • Shelton
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                                • 01-06-10
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                                #16
                                Magic all the way
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                                • HoulihansTX
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by lakerboy
                                  Some guys are losers forever- VC is in that category but i would like him to win this series.
                                  Damn why lets not hold his past against him. This is his time to redeem himself.

                                  I glad that people hold this perception of him, b/c it will allow the masses to see him elevate his game on the big stage.

                                  You guys will be surprised, and entertained at the same time.
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                                  • shoebox
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                                    • 11-26-08
                                    • 5710

                                    #18
                                    dont get your high hopes up, magic will roll..... the only series worth a gander is gonna be Lakers/ Magic
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                                    • shoebox
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                                      • 11-26-08
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by lakerboy




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                                      • HoulihansTX
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by shoebox
                                        dont get your high hopes up, magic will roll..... the only series worth a gander is gonna be Lakers/ Magic
                                        Good to hear.

                                        I wonder if the Magic would be favored to win the series against the Lakers, since the hold home court.
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                                        • shoebox
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                                          • 11-26-08
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by HoulihansTX
                                          Good to hear.

                                          I wonder if the Magic would be favored to win the series against the Lakers, since the hold home court.

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                                          • lyon804
                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                            • 11-02-09
                                            • 6526

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by shoebox
                                            dont get your high hopes up, magic will roll..... the only series worth a gander is gonna be Lakers/ Magic


                                            Very possible, but I hope your wrong. It would be nice to see a dog fight against 2 good teams. It's really Skill vs. Experience. I think Orlando has more weapons, but the Celtics do have the experience and the heart of a champion and that is something you can't discount this late in the playoffs. You know Orlando's roster isn't exactly comprised of "winner's" Very good players they are but not exactly "winner's". Pierce,Garnett,Allen, Rondo are Winners. I know we can't handicap that but it should play a part in this series.


                                            As Houli pointed out.. The Bench is really Orlando's strength over Boston.. Starting 5 I don't think Orlando has a clear advantage overall.

                                            VC, will need to step up for Orlando to end this series early.
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                                            • shoebox
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                                              • 11-26-08
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                                              #23
                                              Cavs gave the C's confidence, and you know on the college level and the pro level what that leads to. Your comparing apples and oranges here dont overthink just because the C's showed up....
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                                              • lyon804
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                                                • 11-02-09
                                                • 6526

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by shoebox
                                                Cavs gave the C's confidence, and you know on the college level and the pro level what that leads to. Your comparing apples and oranges here dont overthink just because the C's showed up....


                                                Your pretty confident in the Majic beating Boston handily, I see.
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                                                • stymie
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                                                  • 04-05-10
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                                                  #25
                                                  carter is a vital cog if the magic are to advance
                                                  He is finally living up to huge expectations from years ago
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                                                  • Cyborg9
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                                                    • 01-13-10
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                                                    #26
                                                    along with carter the magic need a huge series from their point guards
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                                                    • SpectacularBid
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                                                      • 11-04-09
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                                                      #27
                                                      If jameer nelson continues to excel and the magic stay healthy they will win it all imo
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                                                      • Aurelius
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                                                        • 09-02-09
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                                                        #28
                                                        vc's 1st conf final... i see him being useful more often than useless in this spot
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                                                        • Goat Milk
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                                                          #29
                                                          Bro I like Boston Game 1 ML. The Magic are not going to know what hit them and Wario will be unprepared.
                                                          Cause Sleep is the Cousin of Death
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                                                          • Goat Milk
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by shoebox
                                                            Magic in 6 maybe even 5
                                                            Cause Sleep is the Cousin of Death
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                                                            • gwiz
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                                                              • 02-09-10
                                                              • 1790

                                                              #31
                                                              boston played their last reg season game they cared about on christmas vs orlando

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                                                              Boston 86, Orlando 77
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                                                              • KiDBaZkiT
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                                                                • 10-20-09
                                                                • 14962

                                                                #32
                                                                I told all of you before the season had officially tipped off that Orland would be playing Boston in the eastern conference finals. Look at post #3

                                                                Sports betting and handicapping forum: discuss picks, odds, and predictions for upcoming games and results on latest bets.


                                                                Also somewhere out there before the season started I said Boston was gonna win it all and I am still standing by that.
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                                                                • I.L.S
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                                                                  • 05-09-10
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by lyon804
                                                                  orlando has not been challenged yet this playoff season .
                                                                  im absolutely disagree with u , BOBCATS maybe not the best team in the NBA but they had a nice season especially at home , and defensively they r good ,BOBCATS with 31-10 at home and ATL with 34-7 home (im not say'n that they very strong teams) , MAGIC them both with no Special difficulties. that shows strongness!!
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                                                                  • shoebox
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                                                                    • 11-26-08
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    I would love to be your bookie if your drinking the Boston kool-aid, just send me your money now

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                                                                    • KiDBaZkiT
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                                                                      • 10-20-09
                                                                      • 14962

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Goat Milk
                                                                      Bro I like Boston Game 1 ML. The Magic are not going to know what hit them and Wario will be unprepared.
                                                                      Wario? That is classic
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