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  • lakerboy
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    • 04-02-09
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    #1
    How big is the Gentry / Jackson coaching mismatch?
    I say its huge. The suns have the better bench for sure but i honestly think Phils experience here is huge. He will manipulate the refs/make the right subs/call the key timeouts and will expose Gentry and his staff at the worst possible moments. Also watch how Phil uses farmar and brown to expose dragic and nash. I honestly think if Phil was the coach of the suns he would win this series. For all of you rookies watch how Phil wins this VERY tough series. The suns are for real but watch how Phil will dismantle Gentry move by move. Watch and learn boys and girls.
  • Goat Milk
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    #2
    Phil doesn't dismantle Gentry. Bryant dismantles Gentry. He gets in his mind, fukks up his gameplan, and it's Kobe's voice that's in the heads of the players. Only person that take Phil's word over Kobe's is Fisher.

    Gentry outwitted Pop because he knew the system. That's one of the reasons why I liked Suns there. But all you need is a team that listens to their coach. Phil is way smarter though and will make all the necessary defensive adjustments. This is going to be a fukking great series I know it. People will start saying Lakers in 5 after they win the first 2 at home.
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    • suicidekings
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      #3
      Totally agree that Phil is better than Gentry, but seeing as the Suns beat first Nate McMillan and then Gregg Popovich coached teams, I'll reserve judgement on how much impact coaching will have on the series. I was really disappointed with Round 2 as a whole, and I'm definitely excited to watch this series in particular.
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      • lakerboy
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        #4
        Originally posted by suicidekings
        Totally agree that Phil is better than Gentry, but seeing as the Suns beat first Nate McMillan and then Gregg Popovich coached teams, I'll reserve judgement on how much impact coaching will have on the series. I was really disappointed with Round 2 as a whole, and I'm definitely excited to watch this series in particular.

        Pop didnt have the personnel and Nate outcoached Gentry big time in that series if you factor in the lineups.
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        • Goat Milk
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          #5
          ya Gentry knew Pop's system though he was with him for awhile. Think about it, the assistant coaches know everything the coach is thinking- hes studying him- but the coach doesn't know what that assistant is thinking because head coaches are stubborn. Why do you think McMillan became such a good coach. after being an assistant on a championship team.
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          • TylerDurden
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            #6
            Originally posted by lakerboy
            Pop didnt have the personnel and Nate outcoached Gentry big time in that series if you factor in the lineups.
            Your absolutely right, he had to have Juan Howard guard Amare for extensive minutes for goodness sakes. Had Roy been healthy (like last 15 games of season) the suns would have lost IMO.

            I agree though, the lakers have two clear advantages: superior coaching and superior size at almost every position. although they did in the utah series, they have a history of not maximizing the later however.
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            • TylerDurden
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              #7
              Originally posted by lakerboy
              I say its huge. The suns have the better bench for sure but i honestly think Phils experience here is huge. He will manipulate the refs/make the right subs/call the key timeouts and will expose Gentry and his staff at the worst possible moments. Also watch how Phil uses farmar and brown to expose dragic and nash. I honestly think if Phil was the coach of the suns he would win this series. For all of you rookies watch how Phil wins this VERY tough series. The suns are for real but watch how Phil will dismantle Gentry move by move. Watch and learn boys and girls.
              He's already started... Headline on espn.com in reference to simulating Steve Nash's ball handling in practice

              "Yeah, because you can't carry the ball like he does in practice," Jackson said, smiling as he moved his arm and turned over his palm, the symbol for an illegal carry in the unofficial sign language of basketball. "You can't pick that ball up and run with it."
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              • keijo32
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                #8
                Getting tired of Phil complaining,lakers are good enough to win it all without him sounding like Stan Van Gundy. If anything it's showing he doesn't trust his team this year and is trying to get the edge with some help from the refs
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                • lakerboy
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by keijo32
                  Getting tired of Phil complaining,lakers are good enough to win it all without him sounding like Stan Van Gundy. If anything it's showing he doesn't trust his team this year and is trying to get the edge with the refs


                  He isnt complaining dude. He is planting the seed. Great people try everything to get an edge. The lakers dont need the calls to win this series and wont get any extra from his comments but dont you think that comment is in Nash's head? Phil is a legend- he knows whats he is doing.
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                  • HoulihansTX
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                    #10
                    I combed through this thread, and came to the conclusion this is a homer thread.

                    Suns will lose b/c they dont have the horses. Suns depend on three pointers, while the Lakers have an inside out game that no one in the West can contend with.


                    Didnt Gentry just beat the Spurs... So let me guess Popovich cant hold a candle to Phil Jack??? Thats rich.
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                    • lakerboy
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by HoulihansTX
                      I combed through this thread, and came to the conclusion this is a homer thread.

                      Suns will lose b/c they dont have the horses. Suns depend on three pointers, while the Lakers have an inside out game that no one in the West can contend with.


                      Didnt Gentry just beat the Spurs... So let me guess Popovich cant hold a candle to Phil Jack??? Thats rich.

                      Gentry has plenty of horses and has a deeper team. He will lose cause the lakers have the mental edge/home court and Phil is a better coach and you know that. Big deal they beat the spurs. the spurs werent outcoached they were outhustled and the suns were deeper and had more desire. Watch this series and game by game let me know where gentry is doing better.
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                      • HoulihansTX
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                        #12
                        "Watch this series and game by game let me know where gentry is doing better."

                        OK....

                        Is Doc Rivers a better coach than Phil b/c he beat him in the Finals???
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                        • lakerboy
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by HoulihansTX
                          "Watch this series and game by game let me know where gentry is doing better."

                          OK....

                          Is Doc Rivers a better coach than Phil b/c he beat him in the Finals???

                          oh okay so your gonna go that route now eh. so if gentry loses its cause his team is no good but if he wins - whats the reasons?
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                          • williams22
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by lakerboy
                            He isnt complaining dude. He is planting the seed. Great people try everything to get an edge. The lakers dont need the calls to win this series and wont get any extra from his comments but dont you think that comment is in Nash's head? Phil is a legend- he knows whats he is doing.
                            You are living in a Fantasy world if you think a comment like that bothers a great PG like Nash, or any PG for that matter. Phil gets way too much credit for his stupid comments in the press. If any other coach did it they would be labeled as a complainer, but Phil gets complimented because he's the "zen master"? Be real.

                            Yes, Phil is better than Gentry, but Gentry is no dummy either.
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                            • lakerboy
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by williams22
                              You are living in a Fantasy world if you think a comment like that bothers a great PG like Nash, or any PG for that matter. Phil gets way too much credit for his stupid comments in the press. If any other coach did it they would be labeled as a complainer, but Phil gets complimented because he's the "zen master"? Be real.

                              Yes, Phil is better than Gentry, but Gentry is no dummy either.

                              You were living in fantasy world all year pal. Phil took KD out of his game for 2 games with his comments in the first round and that enabled the lakers to get by them. Nash wont be affected as much cause he is a vet but it will be in the back of his mind. Also com stern was quick to threaten phil after his comments before the playoffs and was trying to stress how "his refs were fair". Seemed to me that Stern was trying his best to deflect the questions about the past.
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                              • williams22
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by lakerboy
                                You were living in fantasy world all year pal. Phil took KD out of his game for 2 games with his comments in the first round and that enabled the lakers to get by them. Nash wont be affected as much cause he is a vet but it will be in the back of his mind. Also com stern was quick to threaten phil after his comments before the playoffs and was trying to stress how "his refs were fair". Seemed to me that Stern was trying his best to deflect the questions about the past.
                                I agree with the last statement obviously, but your KD claim is absurd. Ron Artest took KD out of the game, not Phil Jackson. How much voodoo and conspiracy nonsense do you believe? Just watch what happens on the court.

                                Hell when I played high school ball a comment like that from an opposing coach wouldn't bother me. It'll give Nash a laugh if anything.

                                I was living in a fantasy world? Why, because I backed my team and they lost? Every been a fan before lb?

                                There's more to basketball than line movements and media games, every once in a while the guys step on the court and play.
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                                • HoulihansTX
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by lakerboy
                                  oh okay so your gonna go that route now eh. so if gentry loses its cause his team is no good but if he wins - whats the reasons?
                                  No I'm saying the team with the better players win.

                                  Celtics beat the Lakers, b/c their team was better.

                                  Suns will lose this series, b/c they are not as good as the Lakers. Lakers are 3-1 against the Suns this year.


                                  Lakers present matchup problems to anyone who doesnt have three 7 footers. So until Lakers play the Magic, they hold that trump card over their opponents. Plus Lakers have Kobe.

                                  Suns only have two advantages, Nash over Fish, and their bench. But Phil has shortened his bench, so Lakers should overcome that handicap.

                                  I just dont want to hear how Phil has to will his team to a victory, as if Lakers are the "Hickory High" team from Hoosiers.
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                                  • lakerboy
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by williams22
                                    I agree with the last statement obviously, but your KD claim is absurd. Ron Artest took KD out of the game, not Phil Jackson. How much voodoo and conspiracy nonsense do you believe? Just watch what happens on the court.

                                    Hell when I played high school ball a comment like that from an opposing coach wouldn't bother me. It'll give Nash a laugh if anything.

                                    I was living in a fantasy world? Why, because I backed my team and they lost? Every been a fan before lb?

                                    There's more to basketball than line movements and media games, every once in a while the guys step on the court and play.



                                    You made it clear that the cavs arent your team by saying that you go where lebron goes. Im a fan of all my teams and dont worry about who comes and goes.Ive been a lakers fan for 28 years williams. They had some pretty shitty teams in the 90's. I stuck by them thru thick or thin. You arent a cavs fan - please.


                                    Are you trying to imply that i cant pick winners williams? If i remember correctly i took points of you the first 2 nights of the nba season and you never bet me again. guy give it a break- your boy got clowned move on. you talked smack about kobe and the lakers all season long and now its killing you cause they are still around.

                                    you also were busy telling me all season that this cavs team is much better cause they added so many pieces but now its kobe has gasol bla bla bla. oh btw the line told me yesterday that your boys wouldnt show up by the total moving down 3 points in 6 hours.
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                                    • williams22
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by lakerboy
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                                      You made it clear that the cavs arent your team by saying that you go where lebron goes. Im a fan of all my teams and dont worry about who comes and goes.Ive been a lakers fan for 28 years williams. They had some pretty shitty teams in the 90's. I stuck by them thru thick or thin. You arent a cavs fan - please.


                                      Are you trying to imply that i cant pick winners williams? If i remember correctly i took points of you the first 2 nights of the nba season and you never bet me again. guy give it a break- your boy got clowned move on. you talked smack about kobe and the lakers all season long and now its killing you cause they are still around.

                                      you also were busy telling me all season that this cavs team is much better cause they added so many pieces but now its kobe has gasol bla bla bla. oh btw the line told me yesterday that your boys wouldnt show up by the total moving down 3 points in 6 hours.
                                      Yet you placed your bet far before the line move...

                                      If you really believe Phil's comments actually messed with KD or will mess with Nash then I really don't know what to tell you.
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                                      • jgiun1
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                                        #20
                                        the question should be.....how big is the thing between you two guys......we were all one big happy family in this NBA section and kicking ass together. I hope we can get that warm and fuzzy feeling in the NBA section we had the first couple rounds...JUST MY .02 CENTS
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                                        • lakerboy
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by williams22
                                          Yet you placed your bet far before the line move...

                                          If you really believe Phil's comments actually messed with KD or will mess with Nash then I really don't know what to tell you.

                                          go and check the first line move on the total. anyways you are an expert capper.

                                          you dont need to tell me anything- i dont listen to anyone around here. you told me i was crazy for my bet on boston and it cashed. i dont need your advice at all. you are doing great in the nba 2nd hf and playoffs- keep killing the books. your up over 11k so far so you should be content
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                                          • HoulihansTX
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by jgiun1
                                            the question should be.....how big is the thing between you two guys......we were all one big happy family in this NBA section and kicking ass together. I hope we can get that warm and fuzzy feeling in the NBA section we had the first couple rounds...JUST MY .02 CENTS
                                            Nope... Me and LB are

                                            Talk of Phil Jackson, and Zen Master justme.
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                                            • jgiun1
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                                              #23
                                              I will buy a pair of Lebron shoes and a jersey from his new team next year if we could all just get along again.
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                                              • djpremier36
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                                                #24
                                                Gentry is a frickkin idiot and a career loser! He's only coaching the team because D'Antoni left and Terry Porter had one year to transform the team in to a "playoff type team". Steve Nash is the real coach/nucleus of the team obviously.

                                                Phil, as we all know, is the master of mind games with his own players, other teams players, league officials, fans, media, etc. Sometimes watching him coach is like watching lint accumulate(not calling expected timeouts, sitting on the bench for 95% of the game) but no matter what he puts himself and his team in position to win.
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                                                • Goat Milk
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                                                  #25
                                                  Do not compare the mentality of Nash to KD. KD is just a kid. Nash is way tougher mentally. Nothing Phil says will disturb Nash. Do you think Phil can get into the head of Grant Hill or Nash? The only person that can play mind games with veterans is Kobe.
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                                                  • Wind gara
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                                                    #26
                                                    honestly phil might not show it as much now but he is amazing. the dude when he came lakers had kobe and shaq and couldnt do squat in the playoffs.
                                                    his head games do work william. and he is good.

                                                    that being said

                                                    LAkers should kill the suns.
                                                    they have size advantage. they got kobe.

                                                    suns have nash but lakers can get to him. and amare's #s will fall.

                                                    suns have better bench but shanon helps laker bench. machine is back(he might have 1hot game with no d) farmar? eh. benga if activated has size to bag suns.


                                                    that being said . william. if you had phil as the coach of cavs they wouldnt be a title contender and likely win it all.
                                                    the idiot there doesnt know wtf he was doing.

                                                    shaq on kg? are you ****en kidding me?
                                                    you put shaq on the center and put varajao on kg.(at least he hassles)

                                                    the issue with cavs they had alot of parts that were interchangable. a good coach could have taken the advantage of it. put phil there and its a chess game for him. the moron brown didnt know how to use jamison/shaq or anyone.

                                                    his idea was
                                                    "okey give the ball to james and get open" ****EN Lame.
                                                    also

                                                    jamison+hickson=amare.

                                                    where there hell was hickson? i woulda ****en drove him to pho if it meant getting amare.

                                                    you can take it to the bank even idiot brown couldnt **** up amares game
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                                                    • williams22
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                                                      #27
                                                      Nash's response to Phil today: "I've never heard anyone accuse me of carrying it. I mean, the best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn't have a problem with it last week." I love it.
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                                                      • Goat Milk
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by williams22
                                                        Nash's response to Phil today: "I've never heard anyone accuse me of carrying it. I mean, the best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn't have a problem with it last week." I love it.
                                                        LOL!

                                                        You think Phil can play mind games with Nash LakerBoy? Nash is not KD, man. Kobe is the only player that can get in a veterans head. You of all people should know this.
                                                        Cause Sleep is the Cousin of Death
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                                                        • obamaismyuncle
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                                                          #29
                                                          I would say the coaching mismatch is rather HUGE. Jackson has 217 playoff wins to only 93 losses a 70% winning percentage, and oh yea Phil also has 10 rings. Who is this Gentry guy?
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                                                          • Goat Milk
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                                                            #30
                                                            Gentry trying his own Phil tactics?

                                                            Phoenix Suns head coach Alvin Gentry has a lot of respect for Kobe Bryant and told The Arizona Republic Friday that the Lakers guard is the best closer ever in the NBA.

                                                            "He's the best closer in the history of the game if you ask me," Gentry said. "Yeah, that is including Michael Jordan. I just think what he's done this year, to have six game-winning shots that come on the last possession of the game, I don't know if anybody has ever done that.

                                                            "If that's the case, we have to try to make somebody else be that closer. That's not to say that he'll give it up. I've seen him make it over three guys, too. But as far as we're concerned, we have to try to get the ball out of his hands some kind of way."
                                                            Cause Sleep is the Cousin of Death
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                                                            • lakerboy
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by Goat Milk
                                                              LOL!

                                                              You think Phil can play mind games with Nash LakerBoy? Nash is not KD, man. Kobe is the only player that can get in a veterans head. You of all people should know this.

                                                              No phil cant play mind games with Nash- you are correct. Nash is a proven winner at this stage of the playoff level and nothing will throw him off his game in his quest for another ring.
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                                                              • williams22
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Goat Milk
                                                                Gentry trying his own Phil tactics?

                                                                Phoenix Suns head coach Alvin Gentry has a lot of respect for Kobe Bryant and told The Arizona Republic Friday that the Lakers guard is the best closer ever in the NBA.

                                                                "He's the best closer in the history of the game if you ask me," Gentry said. "Yeah, that is including Michael Jordan. I just think what he's done this year, to have six game-winning shots that come on the last possession of the game, I don't know if anybody has ever done that.

                                                                "If that's the case, we have to try to make somebody else be that closer. That's not to say that he'll give it up. I've seen him make it over three guys, too. But as far as we're concerned, we have to try to get the ball out of his hands some kind of way."
                                                                Nah, his "Phil tactic" was saying they spent the day practicing how to avoid post-up high elbows.
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                                                                • zogdog
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Slightly OT, but what is Lopez's status for this series?
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                                                                  • TylerDurden
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by lakerboy
                                                                    No phil cant play mind games with Nash- you are correct. Nash is a proven winner at this stage of the playoff level and nothing will throw him off his game in his quest for another ring.
                                                                    Does Nash have a ring out of curiosity?
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                                                                    • HoulihansTX
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by TylerDurden
                                                                      Does Nash have a ring out of curiosity?
                                                                      He was being extremely sarcastic...

                                                                      The whole paragraph was oozing with it.
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