Lakers-Suns

**KiDBaZkiT** · 05-14-10, 04:08 PM

Originally posted by Goat Milk

Amare is the best PF in the league.

Respectully disagree about Amare, I saw in another post you said Amare is a solid defender which I dont agree with I remember when they played earlier in the regular season at Dallas Gentry had to put Hill on Nowitzki cause Amare couldnt handle it and Dirk is an easy cover. I remember the game where the Jazz came back down 13 in the 4th Boozer had a big game on Amare. I am not basing that statement on those 2 games I have watched Amare get abused on the defensive end for years, he is an ok defender at best especially for his size. Also a lot of his offense comes out of the pick and roll with Nash. Amare is a modern day Karl Malone a guy that would be average if he didnt have an excellent passing PG to set him up with open shots and drives in the lane. KG is the best PF in the league without a doubt regardless of his age.

**SHADYLANKY** · 05-14-10, 04:42 PM

I can't see the Lakers sweeping at all. I doubt even 4-1. I think it goes 6 for sure with a chance of 7 but Phil will probably figure things out and keep it from getting to 7. Should be entertaining to watch.

**arizona22** · 05-14-10, 04:44 PM

I think PHX will win game or 2 but Lakers will prevail.

**jresse** · 05-14-10, 05:26 PM

take suns

**stefan084** · 05-14-10, 09:38 PM

Originally posted by KiDBaZkiT

Respectully disagree about Amare, I saw in another post you said Amare is a solid defender which I dont agree with I remember when they played earlier in the regular season at Dallas Gentry had to put Hill on Nowitzki cause Amare couldnt handle it and Dirk is an easy cover. I remember the game where the Jazz came back down 13 in the 4th Boozer had a big game on Amare. I am not basing that statement on those 2 games I have watched Amare get abused on the defensive end for years, he is an ok defender at best especially for his size. Also a lot of his offense comes out of the pick and roll with Nash. Amare is a modern day Karl Malone a guy that would be average if he didnt have an excellent passing PG to set him up with open shots and drives in the lane. KG is the best PF in the league without a doubt regardless of his age.

i can't stand Nowitzki either but a seven foot guy shooting an unstoppable fade away is not an "easy cover"

**jjgold** · 05-14-10, 09:40 PM

Lakers in 7

**stefan084** · 05-14-10, 09:40 PM

although i do agree nash makes amare look all world with those spoon feeds

**ParlayKing** · 05-14-10, 10:14 PM

Suns bench will rolle in this series

**SBR_John** · 05-14-10, 10:23 PM

Phoenix wins it in 6.

LA has played good D against them in the last few meetings. I think that is the key to the series. IF LA can smother the Suns like they have in two of the last threee they played then LA will advance. But my money says that Phoenix is in rythem and scores in the 109 range on avg. Phoenix can now play some D and I'd look for LA to avg 102.

**lakerboy** · 05-14-10, 10:30 PM

Originally posted by SBR_John

Phoenix wins it in 6.

LA has played good D against them in the last few meetings. I think that is the key to the series. IF LA can smother the Suns like they have in two of the last threee they played then LA will advance. But my money says that Phoenix is in rythem and scores in the 109 range on avg. Phoenix can now play some D and I'd look for LA to avg 102.

Good luck betting against the Zen master. Phoenix is awful on long rest and if they fall behind a game they are done.

**paco** · 05-14-10, 10:31 PM

SbrJohn, will u have some special lines game by game?

**blackbox** · 05-14-10, 11:06 PM

Lakers in 5

**ProfaneReality** · 05-14-10, 11:15 PM

lakers in 5

**INVEGA MAN** · 05-14-10, 11:55 PM

This is easy money for the series. Lakers in 5. They will let Suns win one at home.

**pico** · 05-14-10, 11:58 PM

go lakers

**peeiempee** · 05-15-10, 12:02 AM

Suns wil take the series 4-2

**Mikail** · 05-15-10, 12:04 AM

Lakers in 5 maybe in 6

**Bigpete2010** · 05-15-10, 12:06 AM

Like suns in 6

**qhdlhdjtn** · 05-15-10, 12:18 AM

1/2 my bankroll ready in lake 1game

**Goat Milk** · 05-15-10, 01:36 AM

Originally posted by KiDBaZkiT

Respectully disagree about Amare, I saw in another post you said Amare is a solid defender which I dont agree with I remember when they played earlier in the regular season at Dallas Gentry had to put Hill on Nowitzki cause Amare couldnt handle it and Dirk is an easy cover. I remember the game where the Jazz came back down 13 in the 4th Boozer had a big game on Amare. I am not basing that statement on those 2 games I have watched Amare get abused on the defensive end for years, he is an ok defender at best especially for his size. Also a lot of his offense comes out of the pick and roll with Nash. Amare is a modern day Karl Malone a guy that would be average if he didnt have an excellent passing PG to set him up with open shots and drives in the lane. KG is the best PF in the league without a doubt regardless of his age.

First of all, Amare's defense has been solid in the playoffs. He's the best PF in the league right now by a mile. KG isn't even top 5 power forwards in the league. Amare, Gasol, Dirk, Duncan, Bosh, are you serious I can go on for 5 more than that probably.

If you believe Amare is nothign without Nash- you need to study a lot more film. In halfcourt sets, Amare is that only player on the sun that gets an iso. Nash only gets iso's when they switch a big man on him. Nash's plays are all through pick and roll. Nash had Amare and Dirk- two of the best PF's in the last 20 years of this league. Amare is the best player on the suns by far. The Suns would be nothing without him. Ur living in the past.

Grant Hill guarded Dirk because Dirk plays like a SF, not a PF. That's why Artest guards Dirk, and not Odom or Gasol. That's why Bruce Bowen used to guard Dirk and not Tim Duncan. You will also see Grant Hill guarding Kobe throughout this series.

**kobefanatic** · 05-15-10, 01:40 AM

any update on robin lopez? he's a problem for LA if he's healthy

**kobefanatic** · 05-15-10, 01:42 AM

i'd rather have bynum face collins than lopez

**djpremier36** · 05-15-10, 01:52 AM

Originally posted by Goat Milk

First of all, Amare's defense has been solid in the playoffs. He's the best PF in the league right now by a mile. KG isn't even top 5 power forwards in the league. Amare, Gasol, Dirk, Duncan, Bosh, are you serious I can go on for 5 more than that probably. If you believe Amare is nothign without Nash- you need to study a lot more film. In halfcourt sets, Amare is that only player on the sun that gets an iso. Nash only gets iso's when they switch a big man on him. Nash's plays are all through pick and roll. Nash had Amare and Dirk- two of the best PF's in the last 20 years of this league. Amare is the best player on the suns by far. The Suns would be nothing without him. Ur living in the past. Grant Hill guarded Dirk because Dirk plays like a SF, not a PF. That's why Artest guards Dirk, and not Odom or Gasol. That's why Bruce Bowen used to guard Dirk and not Tim Duncan. You will also see Grant Hill guarding Kobe throughout this series.

Not sure how a guy who can't even average 9 rebounds per game or at least 1.5 blocks per game is the best PF in the game.

Dirk Diggler, Kung Pau, CB4, Stat, KG.

**Goat Milk** · 05-15-10, 02:21 AM

Originally posted by djpremier36

Not sure how a guy who can't even average 9 rebounds per game or at least 1.5 blocks per game is the best PF in the game.

Dirk Diggler, Kung Pau, CB4, Stat, KG.

Amare's offensive game is unstoppable. He doesn't pull down as many boards because guys like J rich and Grant Hill are fukkin fantastic rebounders. Have you ever thought about that? J Rich snatches down a rebound over any guard/sf in the league when he wants to. Grant Hill was averaging 10 boards a game at one point in his career as a SF.

Dirk averages 9 boards a game too by the way, and is much worse defensively that Amare. KG isn't even a top 6 PF right now.

Too much looking at stats not enough film study

**TylerDurden** · 05-15-10, 02:29 AM

Originally posted by Goat Milk

Amare's offensive game is unstoppable. He doesn't pull down as many boards because guys like J rich and Grant Hill are fukkin fantastic rebounders. Have you ever thought about that? J Rich snatches down a rebound over any guard/sf in the league when he wants to. Grant Hill was averaging 10 boards a game at one point in his career as a SF.

Dirk averages 9 boards a game too by the way, and is much worse defensively that Amare. KG isn't even a top 6 PF right now.

Too much looking at stats not enough film study

Goat how many games in this series does Amare break 26 points? just curious.

**cecbo** · 05-15-10, 02:32 AM

Sorry man, but I think the Lakers take this in 5 games. Lakers -6 in game one is my play...

**Goat Milk** · 05-15-10, 02:33 AM

Originally posted by TylerDurden

Goat how many games in this series does Amare break 26 points? just curious.

I don't know- maybe 2-3. But I guarantee you Phil is trying to figure out how to stop Amare. Amare is Phil's number 1 priority right now. Even if he doesn't score, he will be effective because he'll draw doubles all day and force the Lakers to clog the paint. Watch out for ball movement and wide open jump shots from this.

I still think the Lakers will win the series- probably even the first two games. I will play them Game 1 most likely -6.

**paco** · 05-15-10, 02:33 AM

I'll take Dirk over Amare anyday. Better fade, better 3, better FT.

**djpremier36** · 05-15-10, 02:52 AM

Originally posted by Goat Milk

Amare's offensive game is unstoppable. He doesn't pull down as many boards because guys like J rich and Grant Hill are fukkin fantastic rebounders. Have you ever thought about that? J Rich snatches down a rebound over any guard/sf in the league when he wants to. Grant Hill was averaging 10 boards a game at one point in his career as a SF.

Dirk averages 9 boards a game too by the way, and is much worse defensively that Amare. KG isn't even a top 6 PF right now.

Too much looking at stats not enough film study

I agree Amare is unstoppable offensively and I'm also a big fan of his. Although for some reason...he doesn't shut down anyone defensively yet. He's played great for the second half and now we get to see if he can contain Gasol/Odom and hopefully Howard in the finals.

**TylerDurden** · 05-15-10, 02:53 AM

Originally posted by Goat Milk

I don't know- maybe 2-3. But I guarantee you Phil is trying to figure out how to stop Amare. Amare is Phil's number 1 priority right now. Even if he doesn't score, he will be effective because he'll draw doubles all day and force the Lakers to clog the paint. Watch out for ball movement and wide open jump shots from this.

I still think the Lakers will win the series- probably even the first two games. I will play them Game 1 most likely -6.

so 2-3 games over his average out of 5-6 games is "unguardable" to you then?

**Goat Milk** · 05-15-10, 03:01 AM

Originally posted by djpremier36

I agree Amare is unstoppable offensively and I'm also a big fan of his. Although for some reason...he doesn't pull down that many rebounds for a PF of his nature or shut down anyone yet. He's played great for the second half and now we get to see if he can contain Gasol/Odom and hopefully Howard in the finals.

He won't guard Howard. He can contain Odom. Gasol will be tough matchup for him. Gasol is very skilled.

Read the post about why Amare doesn't pull down the rebounds. He has the best guard rebounder in the league and the a top 5 sf rebounder in the league. Stats don't tell the story. Watch film.

Originally posted by TylerDurden

so 2-3 games over his average out of 5-6 games is "unguardable" to you then?

Guess you didn't read the post. It's the attention he draws that will create for other players. This is basketball 101 man.

**Om3n** · 05-15-10, 03:04 AM

Lakers is the best!

**djpremier36** · 05-15-10, 03:06 AM

Originally posted by Goat Milk

I don't know- maybe 2-3. But I guarantee you Phil is trying to figure out how to stop Amare. Amare is Phil's number 1 priority right now. Even if he doesn't score, he will be effective because he'll draw doubles all day and force the Lakers to clog the paint. Watch out for ball movement and wide open jump shots from this. I still think the Lakers will win the series- probably even the first two games. I will play them Game 1 most likely -6.

I don't know if you have noticed or not but in Phil Jackson's 10 years plus coaching year career he is most hesitant coach to double team that I have ever seen.

**Goat Milk** · 05-15-10, 03:09 AM

Originally posted by djpremier36

I don't know if you have noticed or not but in Phil Jackson's 10 years plus coaching year career he is most hesitant coach to double team that I have ever seen.

I know that. He is stubborn. Lakers can stay with everyone else 1 on 1. Phil will realize that Gasol, Artest, Odom all all either too much of pussies or far to slow to guard Amare. He will have a game plan after the first couple games. There's no way he'll let Amare go to work on the elbow against Gasol/Odom/Artest 1 on 1. He'll double him for sure on the elbow if the Suns try to iso him.

**djpremier36** · 05-15-10, 03:15 AM

Originally posted by Goat Milk

He won't guard Howard. He can contain Odom. Gasol will be tough matchup for him. Gasol is very skilled. Read the post about why Amare doesn't pull down the rebounds. He has the best guard rebounder in the league and the a top 5 sf rebounder in the league. Stats don't tell the story. Watch film. Guess you didn't read the post. It's the attention he draws that will create for other players. This is basketball 101 man.

I've watched plenty of film, believe me...I have owned a satellite for many years. Through his career, not just this last couple years, he's played with the likes Raja Bell's, Boris Diaw's, etc's... not exactly rebounding beasts.